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Julio Cesar Fatass
Jul 24, 2007

"...."

Belle Isle Tech posted:

I just want to know who's face I have to shove my money into so I can watch all of them.

Sady its a fair certainty that the only other people who get to watch them are the conga line of escorts running into One CTE Place.

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red19fire
May 26, 2010

This was posted in the UFC thread:

MassRayPer posted:

I addressed what Joe Rogan thinks in another post, and fights are independent events, you cannot tell anything about how one will be judged by how another was judged. Case in point: Lots of Leonard Garcia decisions made people think Nick Diaz would win the Condit fight because he kept moving forward and missing punches, they were surprised when the right guy actually won. So no, I didn't miss your other points because they had nothing to do with the fight. I understand why you would sympathize with someone who moves forwards and misses punches but it isn't really relevant to the judging of this fight.

And I wanted to ask a follow-on question. Regarding bad decisions, do the commissions (or Dana or Kizer) correct the judges for subsequent fights? Like with some of the obviously bad ones, (like any of Garcia's), do they advise the judges differently before the next fight? Or are the judges set in their ways for the most part?

Like I'm wondering if someone said something to the judges before the Condit fight to the effect of "winging haymakers and missing doesn't mean Diaz should win."

MycroftXXX
May 10, 2006

A Liquor Never Brewed

red19fire posted:

And I wanted to ask a follow-on question. Regarding bad decisions, do the commissions (or Dana or Kizer) correct the judges for subsequent fights? Like with some of the obviously bad ones, (like any of Garcia's), do they advise the judges differently before the next fight? Or are the judges set in their ways for the most part?

Like I'm wondering if someone said something to the judges before the Condit fight to the effect of "winging haymakers and missing doesn't mean Diaz should win."

Decisions made by the judges never get reversed because if they could it would be a huge clusterfuck and every third fight would be disputed. Whatever the judges say goes, for better or worse.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


I know Pride had a couple, but has a UFC fight ever been proven/even heavily suspected as being worked? I mean, obviously judges' decisions will always have that question, but have there been any cases of someone straight taking a dive?

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

projecthalaxy posted:

I know Pride had a couple, but has a UFC fight ever been proven/even heavily suspected as being worked? I mean, obviously judges' decisions will always have that question, but have there been any cases of someone straight taking a dive?

Oleg Taktarov vs. Anthony Macias

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


jeffersonlives posted:

Oleg Taktarov vs. Anthony Macias

Wow, yeah 9 second guillotine victory with both guys having the same cornerman. That seems a little shady.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
I suspect that Randy Couture gave Mark Coleman a huge pile of money so that he would box with Randy. Also Shawn Tompkins is the devil and was punished for his sins.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

projecthalaxy posted:

Wow, yeah 9 second guillotine victory with both guys having the same cornerman. That seems a little shady.

Oleg was actually really angry about it.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa
Hey guys, can anyone think of a couple of blatantly terrible referee stoppages off the top of their heads to show a friend?

niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!

DannoMack posted:

Hey guys, can anyone think of a couple of blatantly terrible referee stoppages off the top of their heads to show a friend?

Mir vs Carwin

Fat Twitter Man
Jan 24, 2007

by R. Guyovich

DannoMack posted:

Hey guys, can anyone think of a couple of blatantly terrible referee stoppages off the top of their heads to show a friend?

blatantly early?

James Thompson vs Kimbo Slice

blatantly late?

Weidman vs Munoz

Mons Public
Jun 22, 2006

Sometimes I look for Rupees.
what about matt brown vs footstomps drago

Fat Twitter Man
Jan 24, 2007

by R. Guyovich

RobBorer posted:

what about matt brown vs footstomps drago

Sozynski vs Pokrajac
Curran vs Warren

DekeThornton
Sep 2, 2011

Be friends!
Cyborg vs Finney

Thermos H Christ
Sep 6, 2007

WINNINGEST BEVO

RobBorer posted:

what about matt brown vs footstomps drago

that one's pretty weird though because there's like 3 times when it probably would have been stopped if matt brown kept fighting instead of having a little conference with yves about stopping it.

that's what's so brutal about matt brown's style though, the way he never really pours it on. he just keeps delivering one heavy, deliberate shot after another at a moderate but steady pace. when he really hurts an opponent they end up absorbing so many big shots well after the point where the fight would end if he just swarmed on them. pete sell and luis ramos are probably the best examples of that.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

Save Russian Jews
Jun 7, 2007

who the fuck is this guy anyway, i can't even see his face

Lipstick Apathy

DekeThornton posted:

Cyborg vs Finney

I can't remember, was this the fighter whose nickname was "Cuddles" or something? Because that made the fact that she was so resilient even more unexpected.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene
Dat's da one.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa
Hey, why didn't UFC try and milk one last fight out of Kimbo Slice? Wouldn't feeding him to some debuting prospect have given the prospect a good start and also given a PPV a boost because Kimbo was still a name? UFC isn't shy about putting the entertainment aspect before the sporting aspect much of the time, it always seemed weird to me that they didn't cash in on his name one more time.

MysteryNad
Dec 5, 2003

Here in my guard
I feel safest of all
I can lock up my guard
It's the only way to fight
In guard
They did feed him to a (virtually) debuting prospect at UFC 113. When he lost horribly he got cut.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003

La morte non ha sesso


He won a gassed-out decision against another guy who wasn't ready for primetime, then gassed out and got outboxed and straight-up embarrassed against a guy coming out of TUF. I think that killed all the remaining interest in his "name" as the Internet's Bareknuckle Barbecue Boxing Champion.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa
I know he was super lovely, and I was at the Mitrione fight, but he was still a "name" (one of the first few that casual fans would name off the top of their heads) in MMA after that and had a 1-1 record in the UFC. I just think there was still money in him and I didn't read MMA message boards/news sites much at the time so I wasn't sure what the circumstances of his release were.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003

La morte non ha sesso
He was a novelty act. His rep was based on some Internet pop culture hubbub and some really dumb people being willing to believe a "street fighter" might beat pro fighters. Then he got a shot and lo and behold, he's an over-the-hill amateur athlete. When the mystique behind a novelty act is gone, you might be able to make some money off of one more lovely appearance, but it makes you look like a carny act.

Keeping him around would've made the UFC look bad. Dana White doesn't want his business to look like pro wrestling. But aside from that, two fights is all it took for anyone to realize that there was nothing more to see there.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Sep 14, 2012

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
the sad part about Kimbo is that by all accounts he was enthusiastic about learning to grapple and is a decent guy. He might have been a good fighter if MMA was a big thing 10-15 years ago.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
I wonder how Kimbo's knees got so hosed up. He wasn't really any kind of athlete post-college until the backyard fights poo poo, why did his knees go all Shogun on him?

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Halloween Jack posted:



He won a gassed-out decision against another guy who wasn't ready for primetime, then gassed out and got outboxed and straight-up embarrassed against a guy coming out of TUF. I think that killed all the remaining interest in his "name" as the Internet's Bareknuckle Barbecue Boxing Champion.

TIME TO END THIS SUFFERING
I NEED A MINUTE TO MYSELF
so I can catch my breath

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

1st AD posted:

I wonder how Kimbo's knees got so hosed up. He wasn't really any kind of athlete post-college until the backyard fights poo poo, why did his knees go all Shogun on him?

Some people just have lovely knees

Schenck v. U.S.
Sep 8, 2010

Halloween Jack posted:

He was a novelty act. His rep was based on some Internet pop culture hubbub and some really dumb people being willing to believe a "street fighter" might beat pro fighters. Then he got a shot and lo and behold, he's an over-the-hill amateur athlete. When the mystique behind a novelty act is gone, you might be able to make some money off of one more lovely appearance, but it makes you look like a carny act.

In terms of street fighters in MMA, is Krazy Horse the "best" of them? He's 26-27, mostly B-league fights against unknown fighters.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

EvanSchenck posted:

In terms of street fighters in MMA, is Krazy Horse the "best" of them? He's 26-27, mostly against his girlfriends

Mons Public
Jun 22, 2006

Sometimes I look for Rupees.
it was a pretty awkward few weeks when he dated wanderlei

Mons Public fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Sep 15, 2012

Chexoid
Nov 5, 2009

Now that I have this dating robot I can take it easy.
Alex Caceres is a street fight man and has won real UFC fights for real, so that's pretty good, even if he is kind of a goof. Plus he made Edwin Figueroa put on an impromptu fire safety class and that was funny.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

EvanSchenck posted:

In terms of street fighters in MMA, is Krazy Horse the "best" of them? He's 26-27, mostly B-league fights against unknown fighters.
What's a "street fighter?"

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Xguard86 posted:

the sad part about Kimbo is that by all accounts he was enthusiastic about learning to grapple and is a decent guy. He might have been a good fighter if MMA was a big thing 10-15 years ago.

I remember Bas saying he parted ways with Kimbo when Kimbo somehow decided that he didn't want to train grappling and was content with whatever. I haven't heard a more detailed explanation since, though.

Schenck v. U.S.
Sep 8, 2010

Halloween Jack posted:

What's a "street fighter?"

I don't know, you're the one who called Kimbo a street fighter, you tell me. I mean, you threw some scare quotes around it, so I guess you have some more specific idea in mind.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"
:toot::birddrugs::toot:

The thing I hate is that Kimbo, much to my surprise, seemed like a really good dude on TUF. My dad watched to see Kimbo die and ended the season a fan of him. The reason he didn't do anymore MMA was that his knees weren't just bad, they were loving gone. Mitrione kicked him a few times and Kimbo looked like he was about to have a Corey Hill moment.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003

La morte non ha sesso

EvanSchenck posted:

I don't know, you're the one who called Kimbo a street fighter, you tell me. I mean, you threw some scare quotes around it, so I guess you have some more specific idea in mind.
Fair 'nuff. It's just an odd question because there are a number of fighters who come from poor violent backgrounds--Tito Ortiz, for example. There have been a few guys marketed as "street fighters" based on the idea that they had no formal training and learned to fight in bars or whatever, like Tank Abbott. I don't think any of them enjoyed more success than Tank. Does Krazy Horse train with anybody?

Quinton Jackson was marketed as a homeless thug (because he's black, see) when he debuted in Japan, but he was a junior college wrestler who would've gone into pro wrestling if he hadn't discovered MMA.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Halloween Jack posted:

Fair 'nuff. It's just an odd question because there are a number of fighters who come from poor violent backgrounds--Tito Ortiz, for example. There have been a few guys marketed as "street fighters" based on the idea that they had no formal training and learned to fight in bars or whatever, like Tank Abbott. I don't think any of them enjoyed more success than Tank. Does Krazy Horse train with anybody?

Quinton Jackson was marketed as a homeless thug (because he's black, see) when he debuted in Japan, but he was a junior college wrestler who would've gone into pro wrestling if he hadn't discovered MMA.

Tank wrestled for ten years and boxed amateur, as well.

red19fire
May 26, 2010

Can someone explain who the Garv is? From what I can gather, I think he was a poster here that used SASMMA opinions and posts as articles on his website. It looks like he has a local NY/NJ MMA site.

Chexoid
Nov 5, 2009

Now that I have this dating robot I can take it easy.

red19fire posted:

Can someone explain who the Garv is? From what I can gather, I think he was a poster here that used SASMMA opinions and posts as articles on his website. It looks like he has a local NY/NJ MMA site.

He is a lovely journalist who pretended to be his own biggest fan on SAS to get readers. He posted some dreadful Fedor fan fiction BS in an attempt to get people to like him. After he was exposed as awful and unfunny he did the world's worst puppet master routine, and now occasionally writes irrelevent mma articles that no one cares about.

I do not care for him.

Chexoid fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Sep 16, 2012

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Mons Public
Jun 22, 2006

Sometimes I look for Rupees.
Read the Fedor thread from this post until he gets banned, but don't actually read that post.

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