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What's the chance this gets swept under the rug entirely?
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 13:08 |
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Well, the bitter cynic in me says that because this happened to MPs and the police - a class of people who apparently deserve and necessitate constant and intrusive surveillance, like moaning 'slebs - people will ignore it.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 13:11 |
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Warcabbit posted:What's the chance this gets swept under the rug entirely? They might try, but there's people who will be doing everything they can to avoid that from happening.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 13:11 |
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Tom Watson has written a nice letterquote:Letter to Rupert Murdoch regarding burglary And the reply I'll imagine he'll receive quote:Dear Tom,
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 13:54 |
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I really want Guy Ritchie to make a film about the Met now. I think it's the only way the public conscious will become aware of how our country actually works.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 14:04 |
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If you aren't following me on Twitter you've missed out on some hackgate fun today.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 14:25 |
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quote:Private detective’s axe murder: family ask Theresa May for inquiry If anyone deserves attention in all of this it's the family of Daniel Morgan, who have clearly been hosed over by the police, press, and government for 25 years.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 14:41 |
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I think a new thread and new major developments call for some kind of updated infographic showing all the major connections here. Then again, it's so dense it's more of a fog than a web.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 15:05 |
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Knockknees posted:I think a new thread and new major developments call for some kind of updated infographic showing all the major connections here. Then again, it's so dense it's more of a fog than a web. At this point it would probably resemble a mind-bending fractal, but I'd love to do that sometime.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 15:12 |
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I remain completely effing amazed how Fox News really doesn't appear to have done any of this stuff. Thank you for your integrity, Roger Ailes. ... never thought I'd say that.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 15:22 |
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Knockknees posted:I think a new thread and new major developments call for some kind of updated infographic showing all the major connections here. Then again, it's so dense it's more of a fog than a web. I had a stab at it: But seriously, I think it would be an extremely useful resource. Wasn't there a master spreadsheet with lots of information on the suspects/people involved in the scandal? gwaaargh fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Sep 18, 2012 |
# ? Sep 18, 2012 15:23 |
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Honestly, it was some of the amazing webs and graphics that were drawn up last summer that really helped me absorb the depth and scope (looking back, how little we knew then!) of the scandal, and got me to follow it regularly here on SA and on twitter since then. I'd attempt one myself, but I only really have a good handle on a few bits and corners of the whole mess. edit: the point I'm meandering to is that it could be a good tool to reignite general interest and awareness, if well done.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 15:24 |
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If you are on Twitter I'd highly recommended following iTrackUK, occasionally Tweeting stuff that's not in the public domain.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 16:07 |
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I made a venn diagram about this scandal. This should help people get a clearer understanding of what's going on:
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 16:47 |
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I'm expecting at least a million retweets.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 16:50 |
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Warcabbit posted:I remain completely effing amazed how Fox News really doesn't appear to have done any of this stuff. Thank you for your integrity, Roger Ailes. Not wanting to push the thread off-topic, but Fox News doesn't break (or even report) news, instead showing everything through a very particular lens, or else completely making things up. It's a set of opinion pieces stretched out to a TV channel.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 16:57 |
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gwaaargh posted:Well, the bitter cynic in me says that because this happened to MPs and the police - a class of people who apparently deserve and necessitate constant and intrusive surveillance, like moaning 'slebs - people will ignore it. The press are also busy trying to prove what good little moral guardians they are by condemning the Kate topless photos and exposing those evil, smelly, corrupt French editors who ran the photos and embarassed ARE KATIE. Even though they have no problem using pap snaps of Selena Gomez on holiday sunbathing with her boobs almost hanging out of her bikini and splashing that in todays paper while they act all self righteous in the editorial section. So the public is distracted by that at the minute as that is the agenda. I'd imagine today's police shooting is going to dominate the headlines tomorrow as well.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 17:11 |
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Why has no-one gone with the burglary story? There's only four articles about it on Google News, only one from a 'proper' newspaper. Is it not true? Is it legally dodgy enough that no-one but the Indie will touch it?
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 17:26 |
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Andy Impey posted:Why has no-one gone with the burglary story? There's only four articles about it on Google News, only one from a 'proper' newspaper. Is it not true? Is it legally dodgy enough that no-one but the Indie will touch it? Their legal departments are probably hastily checking to see how many burglaries they've committed.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 17:30 |
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Between the hacking scandal, duchess tits and now this, I don't understand how British contempt for the media hasn't reached critical mass yet. Are people on the street to the point where they're saying "I'll never buy another newspaper again?" I suppose if Fox News did any investigative reporting they might be more under the gun.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 17:51 |
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Highspeeddub posted:Between the hacking scandal, duchess tits and now this, I don't understand how British contempt for the media hasn't reached critical mass yet. Are people on the street to the point where they're saying "I'll never buy another newspaper again?" You might be overestimating how much the average person gives a poo poo about this.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 17:57 |
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The Indie posted:When contacted. Mr Fillery, who now runs a pub in Norfolk, also issued a denial, saying: "It's most definitely not correct. Let me tell you about the News of the World – despite their reputation, they behaved very correctly. The only reason they employed us was to stand stories up. We committed no criminal offences." OK, so the usual suspects in this have gone past spin, through verifiable lies and are now making statements from an alternative universe where Rupert Murdoch is a jolly bumbling fat man who conducts a fleet of talking trains on a magical island.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 18:12 |
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I really would like to see a reaction to this by the general public, but I guess duchess tits trump all. (Thread title should totally have been Hackgate 2 - Elected Burgleoo)
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 19:20 |
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So there's been a couple of mentions of the network graphs that were put up in the last thread. I'm planning on getting back into working on them, now that I've finally got some time to do so again. Work has been especially hectic in the past six months and in that time there has been a lot revealed that can be mapped out. These two issues combined have resulted in a disastrously complex graph (simple version, last updated at the end of May) because I kept on throwing in extra connections as they arose, without any real plan or theory. The new plan is a focus on clarity and smaller networks that can be interlinked, if needed. In the meantime, I took a look at some different data today as some people have been wondering whether the current revelations are going to have much exposure in the press. I ran a quick search of "phone hacking" in a newspaper archive database and have plotted the number of articles published each month. The graph below shows a y-axis log plot of average number of articles published a day in each month from Jan 2010 (the month before the first CMSC report was published) up until today. As would be expected, spikes in the number of articles match up very nicely with events in this timeline. I've marked a few of the big ones: I've adjusted the data so it's articles per day because months aren't uniform in length, Spetember isn't finished yet, and I'm a pedant. I've used a log y-axis in that graph because of this: and just for 'fun' here's how article publication rate about phone hacking fares against article publication about something nicer. There's no correlation, sadly: Will this new stuff coming out be another bump, like Sean Hoare's? I guess it's just a case of wait-and-see for now.
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 22:36 |
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Firing Cirrus posted:So there's been a couple of mentions of the network graphs that were put up in the last thread. I'm planning on getting back into working on them, now that I've finally got some time to do so again. Work has been especially hectic in the past six months and in that time there has been a lot revealed that can be mapped out. These two issues combined have resulted in a disastrously complex graph (simple version, last updated at the end of May) because I kept on throwing in extra connections as they arose, without any real plan or theory. The new plan is a focus on clarity and smaller networks that can be interlinked, if needed. This is brilliant
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# ? Sep 18, 2012 23:19 |
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Firing Cirrus posted:So there's been a couple of mentions of the network graphs that were put up in the last thread. I'm planning on getting back into working on them, now that I've finally got some time to do so again. Work has been especially hectic in the past six months and in that time there has been a lot revealed that can be mapped out. These two issues combined have resulted in a disastrously complex graph (simple version, last updated at the end of May) because I kept on throwing in extra connections as they arose, without any real plan or theory. The new plan is a focus on clarity and smaller networks that can be interlinked, if needed. Mind if I post this on my blog? Sure plenty of people would find it interesting. Meanwhile, there's been 3 more hackgate arrests quote:Operation Elveden: Police officer and journalists held
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 08:53 |
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Brown Moses posted:Mind if I post this on my blog? Sure plenty of people would find it interesting. Sure, go ahead. If you want to make any modifications that's fine too, just let me know through firing[dot]cirrus[at]gmail[dot]com (I locked myself out of the old hotmail one).
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 09:20 |
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thebardyspoon posted:You might be overestimating how much the average person gives a poo poo about this. I remember back while Leveson was still going on, friends saying they wished it was all over, because they were getting tired of hearing about it. If it looks like it involves politicians, lots of people just turn off. Short of making people take a 50-item multiple-choice test before they're allowed to vote, I'm not sure it's possible to force people to pay attention.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 09:37 |
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Firing Cirrus posted:Sure, go ahead. If you want to make any modifications that's fine too, just let me know through firing[dot]cirrus[at]gmail[dot]com (I locked myself out of the old hotmail one). Thanks, put it up here.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 09:46 |
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kingturnip posted:I remember back while Leveson was still going on, friends saying they wished it was all over, because they were getting tired of hearing about it. If it looks like it involves politicians, lots of people just turn off. Short of making people take a 50-item multiple-choice test before they're allowed to vote, I'm not sure it's possible to force people to pay attention. Mate of mine yesterday said it was all "theatre" and that nothing was going to come of it. Tried to explain that the theatre was because it was the first enquiry held with social media and full-time streaming and that the media/public interest was higher than anything before. And that the report wasn't out yet so he should wait.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 09:56 |
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Tabloid Troll has a couple of interesting Tweets about today's arrestsquote:Interesting that one of the hacks arrested today had agreed a voluntary redundancy package agreed b4 being shopped by MSC - moneysaver?
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 10:07 |
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Brown Moses posted:Tabloid Troll has a couple of interesting Tweets about today's arrests Say, not to pry, but what is your background in all this? Just some well-connected blogger/tweeter?
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 10:24 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Say, not to pry, but what is your background in all this? Just some well-connected blogger/tweeter? I've got his full name and address if you want it, JAMES "OneThousandMonkeys" MURDOCH
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 10:25 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Say, not to pry, but what is your background in all this? Just some well-connected blogger/tweeter? Yes, that's probably the best way of putting it. Think of me a Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams, and my blog being the baseball diamond he builds.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 10:42 |
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quote:Leveson may face Commons committee
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 10:59 |
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Is Tom Watson a Labour frontbencher now?
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 11:18 |
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thehustler posted:Is Tom Watson a Labour frontbencher now? That's what has confused me, there's not been a shadow cabinet reshuffle, and I hadn't heard of one planned. Maybe he knows something we don't? [edit] It's a Guardian gently caress up apparently. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Sep 19, 2012 |
# ? Sep 19, 2012 11:36 |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ne-hacking.html Will be interesting to see the outcome of this little matter.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 11:51 |
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thehustler posted:Is Tom Watson a Labour frontbencher now? He's technically been a frontbencher for quite some time, since he was made Deputy Chair. There was a 'row' about this just under a year ago. Presumably he's chosen to resign because the important part of his work on the committee is now done. Or he knows he's about to be promoted.
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# ? Sep 19, 2012 11:52 |
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Brown Moses posted:That's what has confused me, there's not been a shadow cabinet reshuffle, and I hadn't heard of one planned. Maybe he knows something we don't? So he's still on the committee?
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