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Gianthogweed posted:Do you think Jackson is going to pull a Lucas and release a special edition of LOTR that replaces Ian Holme's young Bilbo with Martin Freemen? Unlikely, but I'm not sure. I suspect though that some years after The Hobbit we may see 3D re-releases of LOTR that might possibly have some upgraded FX here and there. Actually, now that I think about it, there's no telling what they might do for the inevitable future 3D versions - I mean they may even go so far as to re-render entire CG sequences, because that'll look a million times better in 3D than post-converted stuff.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:51 |
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If the Hobbit trilogy does well there is absolutely no way that LotR doesn't get a theater re-release, and they'd probably use that chance for 3D, some CGI cleanups and maybe some scene editing.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 22:45 |
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I know a lot of people disagree but the only bit of CG in LOTR that looks glaringly awful is the eagle flying over the mountains in Fellowship. And maybe Gollum's teaser/close-up in Moria but neither really bother me enough to want them changed.
Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Sep 22, 2012 |
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I wouldn't really care either way if they left Ian Holm in the prologue or edited Martin Freeman in. The prologue is sort of "told" by Bilbo (though its spoken by Galadriel) so it can be explained away as foggy/old memories by Bilbo. On the other hand, there's nothing really that iconic/untouchable about a 5 second clip during the prologue so it would be cool to keep continuity.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 23:35 |
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Silver Brushes posted:I know a lot of people disagree but the only big of CG in LOTR that looks glaringly awful is the eagle flying over the mountains in Fellowship. And maybe Gollum's teaser/close-up in Moria but neither really bother me enough to want them changed. Yeah I'll be one of those disagreeing. Honestly a lot of the CGI in the LotR could stand clearing up and some modernizing touches (particle effects, improved lighting and blending and textures), but it is one of those "where is the line?" endeavors that can easily end up doing more harm than good.
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# ? Sep 21, 2012 23:48 |
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Silver Brushes posted:I know a lot of people disagree but the only big of CG in LOTR that looks glaringly awful is the eagle flying over the mountains in Fellowship. And maybe Gollum's teaser/close-up in Moria but neither really bother me enough to want them changed. Technically, the Gollum shots look fantastic, they're just grating because the design is so obviously different from the final product.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 00:05 |
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I wouldn't mind seeing them fix Glamdring so it actually glows.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 00:07 |
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As long as CG bendy-Legolas is cut or fixed...
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 01:01 |
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Nuclear Galadriel could do with a bit of a do-over...
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 01:10 |
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That one shot where Rohan leaves their valley to go fight with Gondor? Looked terrible, never believed a single one of those horses were real. And let's not forget the warg fight...
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 01:59 |
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It's funny though, because next to the sketchy CGI you get stuff like the Balrog which looked incredible. I still remember the first time I saw that in the theaters in FotR, it was one of those rare moments where your jaw just drops because you know you're looking at something the likes of which you've never, ever seen created on film. And not only did it look fantastic, but it was also perfectly true to the impossible-looking creature that Tolkien describes. Kind of amazing that it was in the same film as Freaky Galadriel.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 02:19 |
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That Galadriel scene looked so freaking cheap when it came out, let alone today.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 04:32 |
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Why did it need CGI again? Would have been perfectly fine if they'd just let Cate Blanchett act a little instead, you know, go for subtlety?
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 04:37 |
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah I'll be one of those disagreeing. Honestly a lot of the CGI in the LotR could stand clearing up and some modernizing touches (particle effects, improved lighting and blending and textures), but it is one of those "where is the line?" endeavors that can easily end up doing more harm than good. Absolutely. The compositing is more of a problem than the CGI anyway. Either way, it'll never happen. Jackson isn't going to George Lucas this. The only change I can see them making, aside from a possible 3D conversion (and even then that's unlikely because of the cost, timing involved, and length of the films), is maybe replacing Holm with Freeman for the flashback scene. But even then I really can't see Jackson doing that. If the films get rereleased as-is, they'll make a bunch of money. Why would the studio pump a bunch of money into changes for a negligible bump in box office? The figure may be outdated, but last thing I heard a 3D post-conversion costs about $10 million.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 04:48 |
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Plus they've had enough rereleases that if they were going to change stuff like Gollum in FotR, they would have. Jackson doesn't strike me as much of a revisionist (no, the EE doesn't count) and removing Ian Holm would be grossly disrespectful. Replacing large portions or even entire roles like Lucas did in the OT was shameful. It's erasing from history the contributions of those who helped it become a success in the first place.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 04:58 |
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With most questions about Peter Jackson that end with "...just like George Lucas?" the answer is usually no. This rule null and void for ghost armies.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 05:02 |
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kaworu posted:It's funny though, because next to the sketchy CGI you get stuff like the Balrog which looked incredible. I still remember the first time I saw that in the theaters in FotR, it was one of those rare moments where your jaw just drops because you know you're looking at something the likes of which you've never, ever seen created on film. And not only did it look fantastic, but it was also perfectly true to the impossible-looking creature that Tolkien describes. Kind of amazing that it was in the same film as Freaky Galadriel. Except Balrogs don't have wings.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 05:07 |
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Mahoning posted:I wouldn't really care either way if they left Ian Holm in the prologue or edited Martin Freeman in. The prologue is sort of "told" by Bilbo (though its spoken by Galadriel) so it can be explained away as foggy/old memories by Bilbo. On the other hand, there's nothing really that iconic/untouchable about a 5 second clip during the prologue so it would be cool to keep continuity. It can't really be replaced though, can it? Since The FotR version has Bilbo finding the ring, followed by him running when he hears Gollum screaming that he has lost the Ring. But in the Riddles in the Dark chapter, doesn't Gollum not yet know he's lost the ring, and hasn't Bilbo already found it? So I don't think it fits from the get-go to try and change it. The FotR is just a shortened sequence as it's part of flashback.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 05:17 |
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It's wholly unnecessary because it's the product of a kind of unreliable narrator. Of course he would remember himself looking more like he does now than he did then.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 05:23 |
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computer parts posted:Except Balrogs don't have wings.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 07:46 |
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FrensaGeran posted:With most questions about Peter Jackson that end with "...just like George Lucas?" the answer is usually no. The exception that proves the rule is that Jackson showed he is "just like George Lucas" in that he made an incredibly exciting, rollicking adventure movie with Stephen Spielberg! (I love Tintin).
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 07:59 |
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They have the new trailer in 3D in front of Dredd 3D, for those curious. It looked amazing.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 08:24 |
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FrensaGeran posted:With most questions about Peter Jackson that end with "...just like George Lucas?" the answer is usually no. Yeah, I was somewhat disappointed with the ghost army in ROTK. I was expecting something much scarier and creepier than what we got. Something more zombie-like and physical, especially since this was the same guy who directed Brain Dead. In the commentary he said they were going to do something like that originally, but then Pirates of the Caribbean came out and pretty much used the look they were going for. So they went instead with greenish ghosts. It still works, but just wasn't as scary to me. Also, it would have been nice to see a little more of them in action, rather than just a swarm of green blobbish things bringing the battle to a swift end.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 10:20 |
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Presto posted:Now you've done it. "Mountain giants are a metaphor" is the new "balrogs don't have wings". For the record, both are correct
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 11:40 |
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peer posted:"Mountain giants are a metaphor" is the new "balrogs don't have wings". For the record, both are correct Oh my god is this really A Thing that gets talked about with any amount of seriousness? Because jesus christ.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 21:11 |
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peer posted:"Mountain giants are a metaphor" is the new "balrogs don't have wings". For the record, both are correct Heh
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 22:32 |
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ComposerGuy posted:Oh my god is this really A Thing that gets talked about with any amount of seriousness? Because jesus christ. Back when I made the poor choice of frequenting GameFAQs, there were entire topics on the Lord of the Rings message board about this. And they were completely serious.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 22:37 |
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I should point out I read the books before the films. I liked the Balrog's description in the book, of a being cloaked in shadow so you couldn't really see it properly. It seemed like the book portrayed it as a being on the same lines as the Nazgul, but much more powerful. There was even a part where he casts a counter spell that stops Gandalf, and he says he's met his match. However, I loving LOVED the depiction in the film, of a fiery elemental demon which was so much bigger and more threatening than anything depicted so far. They clearly put a lot of love into the CGI, because it still stands up even now. That scene on the bridge is just perfect. What I'm saying is, I think both depictions worked well for their medium, but probably wouldn't translate well if they were reversed.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 22:45 |
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 22:52 |
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Came to post this. Love the parallel with the Frodo FOTR poster where he is holding the ring. Regarding the Galadriel thing, the worst part about is that they pretty much got it right earlier in the movie with the Bilbo/Gandalf scene in Bag End where Gandalf gets all pissed. I know they're not exactly the same but the ideas are very similar.
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# ? Sep 22, 2012 23:32 |
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edit: Blah whatever the poster is OK I guess
kaworu fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Sep 22, 2012 |
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Mahoning posted:Regarding the Galadriel thing, the worst part about is that they pretty much got it right earlier in the movie with the Bilbo/Gandalf scene in Bag End where Gandalf gets all pissed. I know they're not exactly the same but the ideas are very similar.
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# ? Sep 23, 2012 22:21 |
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Absolutely. Seeing the Gandalf scene in the theater the first time? Phenomenal. It gives you this sense of power and terrible majesty that the Galadriel and the dueling-wizards-in-the-tower scenes just failed to capture. (Though Gandalf's charge at Helm's Deep worked fairly well, I think.) You've got to admit the wizard duel was pretty cool (and hilarious), though.
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 00:25 |
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I have watched the trailer on Apple several times now, but is there a place where I can actually download it?
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 04:18 |
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Mahoning posted:Came to post this. Love the parallel with the Frodo FOTR poster where he is holding the ring. I love the way he looks a lot less annoying that Frodo did, but that's mostly Elijah Woods' fault for not being Martin Freeman.
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 05:35 |
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 15:11 |
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The Goblin King is a ballchinian.
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 17:11 |
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FrakkinCylon posted:I have watched the trailer on Apple several times now, but is there a place where I can actually download it? Go to http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thehobbit/. Under "View trailers" click the little white down-arrow immediately to the right of the "Watch now" button. Right-click one of the download links and choose "Save link as" (or whatever's your browser's equivalent). Enjoy.
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 17:33 |
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That Grinnah is definitely who we see Bilbo sword fighting with in the trailer.
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# ? Sep 24, 2012 19:27 |
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Winepumpkin posted:Go to http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thehobbit/. Under "View trailers" click the little white down-arrow immediately to the right of the "Watch now" button. Right-click one of the download links and choose "Save link as" (or whatever's your browser's equivalent). Enjoy. Also recommend a little thing known as pwn youtube.
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