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Jazzimus Prime posted:True. Anakin (which a quasi-Pig Latin form of Nanaki) was referenced by name in the original trilogy during Darth Vader's conversation with the Emperor in The Empire Strikes Back. And although Biggs and Wedge continue to be referenced in Final Fantasy games to this day, the fact remains that they were characters from the original Star Wars trilogy, so no harm is done.  That reference was added in one of Lucas' Special Editions. It wasn't in the original Empire Strikes Back.Please turn in your nerd badge and report to the nearest termination booth. Have a pleasant daycycle. EDIT: Oh yeah: Greedo didn't even shoot in the original. I bet you didn't know that either, frat boy 
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Jazzimus Prime posted:Now, if Final Fantasy should ever introduce a character based on Jar-Jar Binks, the fanbase will have just cause to complain. Quina is kinda like binks (in terms of being really weird, but I think I can forgive the big lug), and the end of FF9 quotes word-for-word Yoda's "Hate leads to" line. I'm kinda wondering why they had a choice between Barret and Red for holding the Black Materia. I'd figure at this point Cloud knew Barret enough for it to be a default, but I don't know what kind of significance Red has to Cloud. Hell, didn't they discuss how he had a tattoo like the rest of the clones when they stayed at Gold Saucer?
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Oct 10, 2012 04:43
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How does Red even hold it?
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Oct 10, 2012 04:45
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Zeikier posted:I'm kinda wondering why they had a choice between Barret and Red for holding the Black Materia. I'd figure at this point Cloud knew Barret enough for it to be a default, but I don't know what kind of significance Red has to Cloud. Because dogs like playing with balls?
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Oct 10, 2012 04:55
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The Sharmat posted:How does Red even hold it? He seemed to manage bipedal locomotion, so I'm sure he can figure something out.
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Oct 10, 2012 05:08
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Emy posted:He seemed to manage bipedal locomotion, so I'm sure he can figure something out. He just slobbers all over it.
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Oct 10, 2012 05:19
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Zeikier posted:Quina is kinda like binks (in terms of being really weird, but I think I can forgive the big lug) I'm actually serious when I say I'm 99% certain that Quina is supposed to be speaking in Hawaiian Creole English and not Imbecile.
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Oct 10, 2012 05:29
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Red XIII is an intelligent, talking dog creature that fights using hairclips. I don't think it really matters where he puts the black materia. (Probably the same place where Stimpy puts his keys.)
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Oct 10, 2012 06:14
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Zinco posted:The Hypello in Final Fantasy X are this exactly. Except the Hypello are awesome. 
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Oct 10, 2012 06:25
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Schwartzcough posted:Because dogs like playing with balls? Now I'm imagining the Black Materia being some kind of world ending KONG toy.
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Oct 10, 2012 07:04
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Red XIII, you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8faBFPENMbg
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Oct 10, 2012 08:45
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The White Dragon posted:I'm actually serious when I say I'm 99% certain that Quina is supposed to be speaking in Hawaiian Creole English and not Imbecile. I just looked up a video about the Creole dialect, as I've never heard it before, and you know? I see it. 
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Oct 10, 2012 09:17
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The White Dragon posted:I'm actually serious when I say I'm 99% certain that Quina is supposed to be speaking in Hawaiian Creole English and not Imbecile. Can't it be both? I mean the other (poo poo whatever the gently caress those guys were called) speak kind of the same way, but aren't idiots, whereas Quina is definitely pretty dumb.
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Oct 10, 2012 10:05
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Dauntasa posted:Can't it be both? I mean the other (poo poo whatever the gently caress those guys were called) speak kind of the same way, but aren't idiots, whereas Quina is definitely pretty dumb. BioEnchanted posted:I just looked up a video about the Creole dialect, as I've never heard it before, and you know? I see it. The White Dragon wrote a 92 page thesis on Quina being Hawaiian. It's recommended reading.
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Oct 10, 2012 12:09
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SirPhoebos posted:
Not to go on a horrible Star Wars derail, but the name "Anakin" comes up several times in Return of the Jedi (e.g. Luke's conversation with Obi's ghost), so the point stands!
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Oct 10, 2012 15:01
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The White Dragon posted:I'm actually serious when I say I'm 99% certain that Quina is supposed to be speaking in Hawaiian Creole English and not Imbecile.
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Oct 10, 2012 16:57
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SirPhoebos posted:EDIT: Oh yeah: Greedo didn't even shoot in the original. I bet you didn't know that either, frat boy  So THAT's where that stupid "Han Shot First" meme comes from! I have never seen any of the Special Education versions, only the originals for like 10 times through and all this time I've been wondering what on earth people are ranting about. edit: Wtf Lucas? Justifying Han Solo's attitude? That undermines Han Solo's badass factor more that if he'd be wearing a "I <3 ewoks" wristband. Valiantman fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 10, 2012 |
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Oct 10, 2012 19:44
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There's a lot of stupid things they did for all the "enhanced editions" - most are pointlessly cosmetic, others slightly change the tone of certain scenes. It's still the same stories though. It's basically like if the makers of FFVII suddenly decided to cram in all the EU stuff in, or edit it so that Aeris has a dying speech or whatever would make people angry. The problem with talking about it, is that it often decsends into "GEORGE LUCAS HAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD  ".[e]: I know Nomura's not to blame, but have you seen the EU?  VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Oct 11, 2012 |
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Oct 10, 2012 20:13
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Pesky Splinter posted:The problem with talking about it, is that it often decsends into "GEORGE LUCAS HAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD Is that really much different than "TETSUYA NOMURA HAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD "? I mean, that's pretty much the response to FF7's EU.
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Oct 11, 2012 00:51
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paperfax posted:Not to go on a horrible Star Wars derail, but the name "Anakin" comes up several times in Return of the Jedi (e.g. Luke's conversation with Obi's ghost), so the point stands! Yes, but you said Empire Strikes Back. Correcting these issues is Serious Business  EDIT: FFVII Special Edition. Now with 90% more belts (as was Nomura's original intent)
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Oct 11, 2012 01:00
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I always liked the Rifftrax of the Special Edition when they got to the Cantina scene. "...that was it!?"
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Oct 11, 2012 01:31
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Wow, this is a really terrible derail. I really do wonder what Hojo's plan at this point is supposed to be. "Ha Ha, I've turned the everything into a weapon! Welp my work is done. Time to go chill at that beach with the girls because this can in no way be a bad thing."
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Oct 11, 2012 02:00
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SirPhoebos posted:Yes, but you said Empire Strikes Back. Correcting these issues is Serious Business Actually, I was the one who said Empire Strikes Back. And it seems you were right, according to my old VHS copies of the original trilogy. But now I feel responsible for derailing the thread. So, uh, back on topic... I still don't get why we couldn't have just given Aeris a Phoenix Down. I don't like the idea of changing the game mechanics to enable a plot event without at least giving us an explanation.
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Oct 11, 2012 02:05
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Because Aeris is dead. Phoenix Downs revive a person that's been knocked out.
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Oct 11, 2012 02:07
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Momomo posted:Because Aeris is dead. Phoenix Downs revive a person that's been knocked out. Well maybe they should stop selling these spells as LIFE and REVIVE and poo poo
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Oct 11, 2012 02:29
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The White Dragon posted:Well maybe they should stop selling these spells as LIFE and REVIVE and poo poo Rise and Arise. Point: whichever FF games use those ones instead of Life.
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Oct 11, 2012 02:47
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Jazzimus Prime posted:So, uh, back on topic... I still don't get why we couldn't have just given Aeris a Phoenix Down. I don't like the idea of changing the game mechanics to enable a plot event without at least giving us an explanation. A phoenix down only works if you are mostly dead. Aeris was all dead.
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Oct 11, 2012 03:13
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I mean, this shouldn't be hard to figure out. Obviously the people you revive aren't really dying, if the world had multiple methods of guaranteed, cheap immortality, do you think any part of it would be recognizable? "Oh hey, I'm coughing pretty hard, better go down to the store and buy about a billion pheonix downs. Just lay on top of them until I stop dying."
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Oct 11, 2012 03:28
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I think a world where you buy magic is pretty different from our world already. And to answer that, phoenix downs aren't cheap. 300 gil might seem like chump change to you, but to some people, they might never afford that. Let's pretend that the economy isn't totally stupidly broken and that everyone isn't actually richer and richer every time you go to a new town. When the Phoenix Down is introduced, it costs 300 gil, which is a lot to the people there. And it probably won't stop you from dying of old age--you'll come back to life and then still be super old and die immediately again.
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Oct 11, 2012 03:47
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One of the memorable scenes is when a little girl is drowning, and you've got to save her with CPR. Kind of takes the sting out of it when you could just cough up a pheonix down and be done with it.
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Oct 11, 2012 03:59
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Captain Bravo posted:One of the memorable scenes is when a little girl is drowning, and you've got to save her with CPR. Kind of takes the sting out of it when you could just cough up a pheonix down and be done with it. Cloud was just being stingy, if you read the Ultimania Guide, his middle name is literally "Cheapass."
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Oct 11, 2012 04:06
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"Cloud, don't you think we should at least give her a proper burial?" "Do you have 200 gil for a loving casket, Barrett? Huh? I didn't think so, we're tossing her in the lake."
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Oct 11, 2012 04:06
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I think it doesn't really work when she's just stabbed in the chest and immediately dead. And the phoenix down thing just being ignored feels half-assed when both 4 and 5 had characters use healing items and spells on characters outside of battle, and where game mechanics were part of a central plot in ff6.
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Oct 11, 2012 05:17
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FF4 pays a lot of lip service to casting that poo poo, but it never works on plot death. Just pretend there's a loving scene where Cloud shouts "Phoenix Down!" and then nothing happens like in the games you mentioned. Also stop being that guy.
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Oct 11, 2012 05:19
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If you want to go full  , this could be an early sign of Jenova doing more than just puppeting Cloud's body. He didn't think to use a phoenix down because Jenova/Sephiroth was still screaming at his subconscious that she should be dead.
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Oct 11, 2012 05:53
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The White Dragon posted:Cloud was just being stingy, if you read the Ultimania Guide, his middle name is literally "Cheapass." This all reminded me of an old vgcats comic: 
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Oct 11, 2012 06:52
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Jazzimus Prime posted:Actually, I was the one who said Empire Strikes Back. And it seems you were right, according to my old VHS copies of the original trilogy. But now I feel responsible for derailing the thread. She wasn't in the party at the time so we technically couldn't use a Phoenix Down on her 
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Oct 11, 2012 07:01
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a sawing motion posted:She wasn't in the party at the time so we technically couldn't use a Phoenix Down on her This. This is now the canon explanation. That little girl who we had to perform CPR on? We couldn't use items or spells on her because she wasn't in the party and we weren't fighting her. If Aeris had been in the party or a target in a battle she would've been perfectly fine.
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Oct 11, 2012 08:37
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It stands to reason that the only VGCats that was actually worth a poo poo was the Chocobo Breeding one, and only for the strip where Aeris is screaming at them to mate. Every other strip has one thousand too many panels.
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a sawing motion posted:She wasn't in the party at the time so we technically couldn't use a Phoenix Down on her But you can use phoenix downs on enemies!! What is EU?
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