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Plasmafountain: Jun 17, 2008

Brown Moses posted:

A Greater London Assembly spokesperson said: "At no point during these meetings or conversations did the mayor discuss Operation Weeting [Police investigation into phone hacking]."

No? Really? No one could possibly be so stupid as to say this.

# ? Oct 7, 2012 21:24

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 15:03

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

Brown Moses posted:

A Greater London Assembly spokesperson said: "At no point during these meetings or conversations did the mayor discuss Operation Weeting [Police investigation into phone hacking]."

Suspiciously specific denial there.

# ? Oct 7, 2012 23:46

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Nothing shady could possibly be going on when the head of the met meets up with people accused of widespread criminality.

# ? Oct 8, 2012 04:30

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

Zero Gravitas posted:

No? Really? No one could possibly be so stupid as to say this.

CALLED IT! I called it at the time. Boris is up to his nose in this.

# ? Oct 8, 2012 05:55

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

A scathing piece on Surrey Police from my regular contributor, Hackgate - Dear Surrey Police.

# ? Oct 9, 2012 09:52

Limerick: Oct 23, 2009

quote:

City Hall said some key engagements were not previously released "for commercial sensitive" reasons.

A Greater London Assembly spokesperson said: "At no point during these meetings or conversations did the mayor discuss Operation Weeting [Police investigation into phone hacking]."

It's like a lovely comedy movie except it's real life.

"The mayor would like to remind the public that in no way is he plotting to take over the world."

# ? Oct 9, 2012 19:30

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Not much hacking news, but I've got past the first part of the BBC journalism training scheme application process, now on to the next round, which is a verbal reasoning test.

# ? Oct 10, 2012 18:16

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Brown Moses posted:

Not much hacking news, but I've got past the first part of the BBC journalism training scheme application process, now on to the next round, which is a verbal reasoning test.

Congratulations, and good luck.

# ? Oct 10, 2012 18:17

spanky the dolphin: Sep 3, 2006

Best of luck, Brown Moses!

# ? Oct 10, 2012 18:44

Last Emperor: Oct 30, 2009

Good luck, following this thread/info that you tweet is a good way to keep up with this ongoing situation so you're already doing a lot of work than many of the conventional news outlets.

Apparently I got through the first process as well which was a bit surprising.

# ? Oct 10, 2012 19:49

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Bit of news

quote:

News International's bid to get phone hacking lawsuit struck out adjourned

News International's high court bid to get a phone-hacking lawsuit brought by a former adviser to model Elle Macpherson struck out has been adjourned, after the publisher revealed it was having technical problems searching for vital documents needed for the case.

Lawyers for Mary-Ellen Field reacted with dismay to the disclosure at the high court on Wednesday morning and said it raised questions about NI's ability to search for internal documents and emails relating to alleged phone hacking at the News of the World.

The high court was due to consider NI's application to have Field's claim thrown out at a hearing on Wednesday, but the publisher of the now closed Sunday tabloid revealed in court that it was having last-minute technical problems.

Michael Silverleaf QC, counsel for News International, told the court that there was an "issue with the data extraction software which we are running".

NI is searching hundreds of millions of emails dating back to at least 2000 to try to find evidence to counter Field's claims that her life was adversely affected by the News of the World's hacking. It has already acknowledged that some of the relevant emails were destroyed and had to be reconstructed in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal.

After the hearing, Field's lawyer, Mark Lewis, said the emergence of fresh computer problems "raises a question about the reliability of the reconstruction of missing documents".

"It has a wider impact. It's not just about Mary-Ellen Field but has an impact on all cases," said Lewis.

Silverleaf told Mr Justice Vos, the high court judge presiding over 155 civil claims against NI including lawsuits from Cherie Blair and Neil Kinnock, that he did not know whether this glitch would affect Field's case.

Nor did Silverleaf know if the software problem would affect the "integrity" of the searches. "There was a technical problem that we could not resolve or could not explain fully," he told the court.

Field's legal team were notified of the problem after 7pm on Tuesday evening, throwing the court process into disarray.

Vos told the court that costs had been incurred in preparation for Wednesday's hearing. These included an application at 6pm on Tuesday to get the original notes of the private investigator, alleged to have hacked Field's phone on behalf of the News of the World, brought to the court for "a minute examination" by both sides.

The notes, which have been in the possession of the Metropolitan police since they were seized in 2006, were taken to court by Operation Weeting officers for examination on Wednesday morning.

"There are a lot of costs � What I do not want is the same thing to happen the next time," warned Vos, adjourning the case until a date some time after 14 November.

It is the first time NI has tried to have one of the numerous civil damages lawsuits relating to phone hacking struck out rather than settled.

This could indicate a change in tack by parent company News Corporation, which has seen costs relating to the phone-hacking scandal, including legal bills, rise to $224m (�140m).

The application comes after repeated claims by Field, unchallenged in public, that her life was destroyed after her phone was allegedly hacked by the News of the World.

Field's civil lawsuit for invasion of privacy was originally lodged in March 2011 but is awaiting a full trial date some time next June.

# ? Oct 10, 2012 21:53

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

Rupert on the attack!

http://m.smh.com.au/world/rupert-murdoch-labels-hacking-victims-scumbag-celebrities-20121015-27lqz.html

# ? Oct 15, 2012 00:29

pitch a fitness: Mar 19, 2010

Things have been a bit quiet of late. This looks promising, though:

bornbytheriver posted:

Indy front page tomorrow - http://twitpic.com/b4i3ty

(Crosspost from the UK thread.)

# ? Oct 15, 2012 22:58

Gambrinus: Mar 1, 2005

Tomorrow's Independent front page. http://twitpic.com/b4i3ty

# ? Oct 15, 2012 22:59

HCO Plumer GCB GCM: Apr 29, 2010; "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography."

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/10/15/rebekah-brooks-got-7m-payoff-after-quitting-news-international/

Rebekah Brooks, the former chief executive of News International, Rupert Murdoch�s UK newspaper business, received a pay-off totalling more than �7m following her resignation last year.

The pay-off consisted of cash and pension payments as well as an allowance for legal fees and the use of a chauffeur-driven car, according to two people with knowledge of her compensation.

It also included clawback clauses, described by one of the two people as �substantial�. These entitle NI to recover some of the payment from Brooks in certain circumstances, according to a third person familiar with her exit package.

Brooks, awaiting trial next year on multiple charges in relation to the phone-hacking scandal, had been with NI since 1989. NI declined to comment.

Andy Coulson, the former editor of the now-defunct News of the World, who is also awaiting trial on charges related to phone hacking, is appealing a high court ruling that NI does not need to pay his legal fees. The publisher stopped paying his legal fees in August 2011.

The revelation of the size of the payment, much higher than previous press reports of a cash payout of �1.7m, came on the eve of the annual general meeting of News Corp, NI�s parent group, today in Los Angeles.

Calpers, the California pension fund, along with fund managers Hermes and Legal & General, are voting against Murdoch�s reappointment as chairman of News Corp.

# ? Oct 16, 2012 00:02

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Gambrinus posted:

Tomorrow's Independent front page. http://twitpic.com/b4i3ty

Article is up online:

The Indie posted:

Private emails between David Cameron and the former News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks have been withheld from the Leveson Inquiry after the Prime Minister sought personal legal advice, The Independent can reveal.

The cache of documents, which runs to dozens of emails and is also thought to include messages sent to Andy Coulson while he was still a Rupert Murdoch employee, was not disclosed after No 10 was advised by a Government lawyer that it was not �relevant� to the inquiry into press standards.

The contents of the private emails are described by sources as containing �embarrassing� exchanges. They hold the potential to cast further light on the close personal relationship between the Prime Minister and two of the media mogul�s most senior lieutenants.

However Mr Cameron, as part of legal briefings he received before and after his appearance before the inquiry, was said to have been advised that the Brooks-Coulson emails were outside Sir Brian Leveson�s remit and so he did not need to offer them up to form part of his report, expected to be published next month.

Although the Leveson Inquiry agreed to keep private a number of text messages between Mr Cameron and Mrs Brooks � disclosed by News International � after accepting that they were �irrelevant to its terms of reference�, no agreement was made for any emails or texts originating from Downing Street.

Sources within the inquiry have indicated that while documents detailing Mr Cameron�s meetings with media figures were received from No 10, it had received none of the Brooks-Cameron emails. An inquiry source confirmed: �Everything we got from No 10 we published.�

During his evidence to the inquiry in June, Mr Cameron said his officials would continue to search for emails related to News Corps� controversial bid for control of BSkyB. He promised: �If any are found, I will make them available to the inquiry.� Leveson sources said that No 10 had not subsequently told the inquiry it had turned up anything.

Downing Street told The Independent last night that �no further relevant material had been found� following the PM�s appearance. Downing Street made no comment on who made the decision on what was deemed �relevant� and what was not. A spokeswoman said: �In common with previous Prime Ministers, the PM sought legal advice in order to co-operate fully with a judicial inquiry.�

The disclosure of the existence of the emails may be embarrassing for Mr Cameron, who personally ordered the Leveson Inquiry in the wake of the News of the World phone hacking scandal.

A senior Labour MP last night called for the dossier to be released, saying it was vital for the Prime Minister to have given full disclosure.

Chris Bryant, a victim of hacking who has been one of the leading campaigners on the issue, said: �If the Prime Minister has taken any steps to prevent any material, relevant or not � whether texts, emails or notes of conversations, between David Cameron and Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson and News International � from coming into the public domain, then people will think this is yet another instance of the Prime Minister being less than straightforward with the country.�

Mr Bryant, a shadow Home Office spokesman, said it should not be up to a lawyer inside Downing Street to decide whether a text or email was relevant to the Leveson Inquiry: �The PM must make sure that every single communication that passed between himself and Brooks and Coulson is made available to the inquiry, and more important, to the public.�

The relationship between Mr Cameron and Mrs Brooks, who is awaiting trial on charges she denies of conspiring to hack phones and conspiring to pervert the course justice, and Mr Coulson, who became the Conservative leader�s media chief in 2007, was closely scrutinised by the inquiry.

The former editor of The Sun and the NOTW was asked by the inquiry�s counsel, Robert Jay QC, about the frequency of contact between herself and Mr Cameron when she was News international�s chief executive. She said they texted each other sometimes twice a week, occasionally signing off using the acronym LOL, which Mr Cameron stopped using when told it stood for �laugh out loud� and not �lots of love�. Mrs Brooks did not mention email exchanges.

News International provided the inquiry with text messages between Mrs Brooks and Mr Cameron over three months between 2009 and 2011 which had been retrieved from her phone.

During Mr Cameron�s evidence to the inquiry in June, its lawyer Robert Jay QC said it had been decided that all but one of the text messages was �irrelevant� to Lord Justice Leveson�s terms of reference.

In the disclosed message, sent in October 2009, Mrs Brooks wished the then Leader of the Opposition good luck with his conference speech, adding that �professionally we�re definitely in this together�.

News International provided texts to the inquiry following a request under Section 21 of the Inquiries Act, which was used to compel witnesses to provide evidence.

No politician who gave evidence to Leveson did so under section 21 rules.

A spokesman for the Leveson Inquiry said: �We haven�t given a running commentary on the background to evidence and we will not do so now.�

# ? Oct 16, 2012 07:27

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

So, Brooks' compensation for being sacked includes clawback clauses. Who wants to bet that she'll lose a bunch of that money if she mentions anything suggesting Roopy or James knew about the phone hacking?

Not that we'll ever find out. Hopefully she'll go to prison, but I assume she'll be able to get another job with NI when she's released, assuming she keeps her mouth shut.

# ? Oct 16, 2012 09:07

Temascos: Sep 3, 2011

So willfully commiting crimes gets you �7m? Crime certainly pays, no wonder people do it so often!

I hope the final inquiry report seeks to challenge this, its disgusting that people get away with it in this day and age.

# ? Oct 16, 2012 09:18

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Will a judge be able to obtain a copy of that severance contract?

# ? Oct 16, 2012 09:21

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

quote:

George Galloway claims senior police officer broke into his home

George Galloway has claimed that a senior counter-terrorist officer broke into his home as part of a "dirty tricks" campaign.

The Dundee-born Respect MP for Bradford West told the UK Parliament in an Early Day Motion that the officer also sent emails from his office and attacked him on Facebook using an alias.

In the motion, Mr Galloway states: "That this House expresses its concern at the involvement of a very senior officer in the Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism branch SO15 in an apparent dirty tricks operation against the honorable Member for Bradford West (Galloway); notes that the officer entered the honorable Member's London home without his knowledge or consent, the honorable Member never having met or heard of him, and he slept in the honorable Member's home."

The unnamed officer from the Metropolitan Police's counter-terrorism unit has been placed on restricted duties while the force investigates.

A spokesman at Scotland Yard said the force had received a complaint from a member of the public.

He added: "The matter has been passed to the Metropolitan Police Service directorate of professional standards to investigate and a voluntary referral is being made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

"The officer has been placed on restricted duties pending the outcome of the investigation."

I wonder who he was working on behalf of?

# ? Oct 17, 2012 18:24

Shelf Adventure: Jul 18, 2006; I'm down with that brother

One rogue senior police officer.

# ? Oct 17, 2012 18:28

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

He slept in the Honorable Member's house? That's all we need, squatting cops.

# ? Oct 17, 2012 19:04

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Interesting early day motion from Galloway two days ago

quote:

CONDUCT OF AFIZ KHAN, A SENIOR METROPOLITAN POLICE OFFICER IN THE COUNTER-TERRORISM BRANCH S015

That this House expresses its concern at the involvement of a very senior officer in the Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism branch SO15 in an apparent dirty tricks operation against the hon. Member for Bradford West; notes that the officer, Afiz Khan, entered the hon. Member's London home without his knowledge or consent, the hon. Member never having met or heard of him, and he slept in the hon. Member's home; further notes that Afiz Khan sent emails to an individual in the hon. Member's officewho acted as his agent; further notes he co-ordinated this operation from his police email account and from at least two other fake email accounts, duping, amongst others, the Guardian newspaper as to his true identity; further notes that he operated under an alias against the hon. Member on Facebook and elsewhere, all the while concealing that he was a senior serving police officer at Scotland Yard; and asks the Home Secretary to make an urgent statement to Parliament on these matters.

# ? Oct 17, 2012 22:28

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

So yeah, Galloway might simply getting a bit senile in his old age: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/18/george-galloway-pa-police-husband

quote:

Even given his own talent for hyperbole, the claim George Galloway made on Sunday night was extraordinary: that he had discovered his secretary was working as an "agent" for a Metropolitan police counterterrorism officer who was running a "dirty tricks" campaign against him.

It was a serious allegation. "A direct attack on not just me but on democracy," the MP said. He complained to the police, who promised an investigation, voluntarily referring the matter to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. And he wrote to Theresa May, the home secretary, demanding an inquiry, saying he had "incontrovertible evidence" that the duo had set up fake email addresses to spread "rumour, disinformation and downright lies".

But Galloway's now former secretary, Aisha Ali-Khan, is fighting back. She says she is married to Afiz Khan, whom Galloway correctly identified as a detective inspector in the Met's counter-terrorism unit, SO15.

She says the two wed in a Muslim ceremony in 2009 and have had an on-off, hush-hush relationship ever since. She is furious that their relationship is being presented as somehow illicit.

"Not only have I lost my job and my credibility but I've been branded this tart sleeping with random police officers."

...

It reads a bit like the plot for Burn After Reading, with added misogyny.

# ? Oct 19, 2012 13:50

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

kingturnip posted:

So, Brooks' compensation for being sacked includes clawback clauses. Who wants to bet that she'll lose a bunch of that money if she mentions anything suggesting Roopy or James knew about the phone hacking?

Not that we'll ever find out. Hopefully she'll go to prison, but I assume she'll be able to get another job with NI when she's released, assuming she keeps her mouth shut.

I ask this a lot but never really get a satisfactory answer: how are gagging clauses in contracts (assuming she has one) actually legal? In the case you postulate they'd basically be saying "here's some money to ensure you don't tell anyone about criminal activity". Is that really enforceable in a court of law? If I burgle someone's house and bribe their neighbour not to tell them about it and the neighbour blabs anyway, can I really sue him for breach of contract?

Zephro fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 19, 2012

# ? Oct 19, 2012 14:00

hexa: Dec 10, 2004; And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom

Zephro posted:

If I burgle someone's house and bribe their neighbour not to tell them about it and the neighbour blabs anyway, can I really sue him for breach of contract?

No. The contents of a contract have to be legal for it to be enforceable.

Where it gets into murky waters in regards to gagging orders is that it will cover confidential information which may cover knowledge of illegality. Considering her defence has and will insist that she had no knowledge of illegally obtained information, she will perjure herself if she says something different now.

# ? Oct 19, 2012 14:15

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Zephro posted:

I ask this a lot but never really get a satisfactory answer: how are gagging clauses in contracts (assuming she has one) actually legal? In the case you postulate they'd basically be saying "here's some money to ensure you don't tell anyone about criminal activity". Is that really enforceable in a court of law? If I burgle someone's house and bribe their neighbour not to tell them about it and the neighbour blabs anyway, can I really sue him for breach of contract?

No, but if you do say anything about something that's not illegal you may have breached a contract and depending on thwarted nature of the breach and the type of lossh you could face significant problems. It's also often much easier to prove a contract breach than, say, a tortious breach of duty. Recompense and liability are often defined.

This can have the effect of broadly silencing someone because you might not know if you have enough evidence to prove an illegal act etc.

# ? Oct 19, 2012 18:59

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

Did anyone watch tonight's HIGNFY? There were some beautiful snipes at Brooks regarding her �7m payoff, and the fact that she would have to pay it back if when she is found guilty.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 03:16

Urban Space Cowboy: Feb 15, 2009; All these Coyote avatars...they make me nervous...like somebody's pulling a prank on the entire forum!

Rupert Murdoch, other potential buyers eye L.A. Times

quote:

With Tribune Co. expected to emerge from bankruptcy soon, News Corp. Chairman and Chief Executive Rupert Murdoch is looking to acquire two of its trophy properties � the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune.

Tribune Co.'s debt holders � two investment firms and a bank � will become majority owners of the company after it exits bankruptcy, which could happen by year's end. News Corp. executives have had preliminary talks with these debt holders about acquiring the Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune, according to two ranking News Corp. executives and others familiar with the situation.

Keep your filthy hands off our papers that are actually decent, you old goblin! :argh:

I'd rather see them die with dignity than turned into The Times-style shambling wingnut simulacra.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 04:58

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Hong XiuQuan posted:

No, but if you do say anything about something that's not illegal you may have breached a contract and depending on thwarted nature of the breach and the type of lossh you could face significant problems. It's also often much easier to prove a contract breach than, say, a tortious breach of duty. Recompense and liability are often defined.

This can have the effect of broadly silencing someone because you might not know if you have enough evidence to prove an illegal act etc.

OK, thanks. So they're basically an abuse of the legal system?

# ? Oct 20, 2012 08:00

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Urban Space Cowboy posted:

Rupert Murdoch, other potential buyers eye L.A. Times
Keep your filthy hands off our papers that are actually decent, you old goblin! I'd rather see them die with dignity than turned into The Times-style shambling wingnut simulacra.

conservatives would actually click on an LA Times link instead of thinking it's a big ol' conspiracy to knowingly and habitually print untrue things in a major paper.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 08:34

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Good piece from Neil Chenoweth, who was working with me on a major story that didn't quite make it, which is somewhat related to the article, Skulduggery on the good ship Murdoch.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 20:03

Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Brown Moses posted:

Good piece from Neil Chenoweth, who was working with me on a major story that didn't quite make it, which is somewhat related to the article, Skulduggery on the good ship Murdoch.

Do you happen to know how much content in the book isn't currently in the public domain? I will get a copy for my father but I was wondering if its worth me buying one for myself too.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 22:18

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

I don't, but he's done some serious research in the area, might be worth a read.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 22:28

Nuclear Spoon: Aug 18, 2010

Yo, latest episode of The Thick Of It had a pretty interesting episode inspired by the Leveson Inquiry if you're interested.

# ? Oct 20, 2012 23:14

Warrahooyaargh: Sep 15, 2007; Oh the mundanity

Nuclear Spoon posted:

Yo, latest episode of The Thick Of It had a pretty interesting episode inspired by the Leveson Inquiry if you're interested.

I enjoyed that. I wonder if Malcolm Tucker's rant at the end in which he said that none of the inquiry team had made it into the room without bending the rules will be taken as a dig at Lord Justice Leveson and his team or whether the actor was just improvising in character.

# ? Oct 21, 2012 10:26

Automatic Slim: Jul 1, 2007

Urban Space Cowboy posted:

Rupert Murdoch, other potential buyers eye L.A. Times

Why is he or anyone buying newspapers now? Print is dying. Broadcast TV is dying. Unless he's figured out how to port those properties to online-on demand subscribership (which no one else has figured out yet), he's going to end up loosing lots of money in a dead end industry.
It's his cable properties are the things that are keeping him afloat. :iiam:

# ? Oct 21, 2012 11:12

Healbot: Jul 7, 2006; very very very fucjable
very vywr very

Automatic Slim posted:

Why is he or anyone buying newspapers now? Print is dying. Broadcast TV is dying. Unless he's figured out how to port those properties to online-on demand subscribership (which no one else has figured out yet), he's going to end up loosing lots of money in a dead end industry.
It's his cable properties are the things that are keeping him afloat.

He's an old man and pretty set in his ways.

# ? Oct 21, 2012 11:17

Wrestlepig: Feb 25, 2011; my mum says im cool; Toilet Rascal

Automatic Slim posted:

Why is he or anyone buying newspapers now? Print is dying. Broadcast TV is dying. Unless he's figured out how to port those properties to online-on demand subscribership (which no one else has figured out yet), he's going to end up loosing lots of money in a dead end industry.
It's his cable properties are the things that are keeping him afloat.

Rupert Murdoch likes newspapers a lot as a format, and not just in a profit-mongering sense. He's basically the only thing keeping a lot of the print news industry "alive".

# ? Oct 21, 2012 11:46

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 15:03

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Zephro posted:

OK, thanks. So they're basically an abuse of the legal system?

Yeah, I tend to see it that way.

# ? Oct 21, 2012 19:38

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