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nimper
Jun 19, 2003

livin' in a hopium den

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

It looks like there's a gray box around parts of the URL now, rather than just text coloration.

Yeah, it highlights what you type in the URL results. Kind of annoying, really.

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tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

quote:

The latest version of Mozilla's Firefox browser has been taken offline after a security vulnerability was discovered.

Users who had upgraded to version 16 were advised to downgrade to the previous safe release until Firefox developers released a fix.

The vulnerability allowed "a malicious site to potentially determine which websites users have visited", Mozilla said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106

Cure for Optimism
Dec 31, 2005

Outside a path to knowledge
Inside a waste of cells
...and 16.0.1 is already out.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Good news its out just downloading now, thanks to this thread. Is there something up with the auto update on my install? I'd have thought a security update would be max priority for it to find on its own.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
My work installations of Firefox auto-updated (I use Aurora at home). Try checking for updates from Firefox, Help, About Firefox.

crestfallen
Aug 2, 2009

Hi.
Overall I like Firefox better as a browser. More customization, more options, other things they have going on.

But Chrome wins my heart because the UI is always responsive. It either responds instantly or it's dead. Firefox has these weird laggy periods often enough to be worth mentioning--the browser/tab hasn't crashed, it's just being slow for seemingly no reason.

As a result, Chrome feels faster more of the time, so I keep going back to it. I know Mozilla will keep working on that, but it's been an issue for me for... a long time now.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
Have you tried Aurora with a clean profile and supported video drivers? If not, give it a try.

Edit: Also, enable plug-in click to view, that drastically improves performance.

Alereon fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Oct 12, 2012

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.

crestfallen posted:

Overall I like Firefox better as a browser. More customization, more options, other things they have going on.

But Chrome wins my heart because the UI is always responsive. It either responds instantly or it's dead. Firefox has these weird laggy periods often enough to be worth mentioning--the browser/tab hasn't crashed, it's just being slow for seemingly no reason.

As a result, Chrome feels faster more of the time, so I keep going back to it. I know Mozilla will keep working on that, but it's been an issue for me for... a long time now.

Regarding the weird laggy periods, that might get better with the latest release, 16. 16's big improvement is incremental garbage collection which is partially designed to combat the exact problem you mentioned.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
And if they manage to get the compacting GC into Firefox 18 (Jan 2013) like they're planning, then long-term performance should get much better. Right now my desktop's FF with only about​:memory open has 110% overhead on the JS heap, wasting 117MB of memory. A compacting GC means that fragmentation (causing memory to be held on to forever) will no longer be an issue. As far as I know, memory fragmentation is the main reason FF slows down the longer it's open and being used.

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

As far as I know, memory fragmentation is the main reason FF slows down the longer it's open and being used.

It's not. As long as it's not swapping to disk, memory fragmentation will have pretty much no performance impact.

crestfallen
Aug 2, 2009

Hi.
I have 8 GB of memory. That's not the problem. FF can use as much as it wants. It's like it doesn't prioritize the actions and redrawing of the UI as well as Chrome, or something.

Anyway. I always keep them both up to date. And every so often I will switch back to the other for a week or two, see where things are at.

bag of a bee
Jun 17, 2007

I think some of Firefox's sluggishness compared to Chrome is the fact that Chrome does everything it can to keep the UI decoupled with what's going on with the rendering web page. On Firefox a hiccup in page loading can sometimes be felt with a hiccup in the UI whereas Chrome could have the same hiccup but you don't "feel" it.

I believe there is a long term project to change the browser to have that snappy decoupled responsiveness though: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis

But I don't really know how that's going or if it's even the problem.

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.

bag of a bee posted:

I think some of Firefox's sluggishness compared to Chrome is the fact that Chrome does everything it can to keep the UI decoupled with what's going on with the rendering web page. On Firefox a hiccup in page loading can sometimes be felt with a hiccup in the UI whereas Chrome could have the same hiccup but you don't "feel" it.

I believe there is a long term project to change the browser to have that snappy decoupled responsiveness though: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis

But I don't really know how that's going or if it's even the problem.

Electrolysis was put on hold indefinitely maybe a year ago. :(

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
Taras Glek leads the Snappy Project, which is about improving Firefox's UI responsiveness to a level similar to or better than that of Chrome. Many of the bugs they're fixing involve moving work off the main thread, which is similar in effect to the Electrolysis project because it stops things from blocking the UI causing perceptible lag. They've made a lot of improvements in recent releases, which is why I suggest trying Aurora 18.

There's definitely a huge and immediately noticeable performance difference with tab switching in Aurora 18.

crestfallen
Aug 2, 2009

Hi.
Cool, that's awesome to hear. I'll be glad to give it another shot when it's stable.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Is it just me or is the latest firefox update poo poo

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

GreatKesh posted:

Is it just me or is the latest firefox update poo poo

Are you having any particular problems we might be able to help with?

Enrico Furby
Jun 28, 2003

by Hand Knit
I am incredibly annoyed right now. I know I posted on SA when I couldn't figure out how to get my tabs to continue saving across multiple browser sessions, and you guys fixed that for me.

Well now, out of the loving blue, when I clear recent history it no longer removes my recently closed tabs and windows. I don't want people knowing I jerk off to midget tranny porn. What the gently caress, Firefox? Why for no reason do you give me these issues?

karoshi
Nov 4, 2008

"Can somebody mspaint eyes on the steaming packages? TIA" yeah well fuck you too buddy, this is the best you're gonna get. Is this even "work-safe"? Let's find out!
I'm using firefox on a lovely notebook with what feels like a 15rpm disk. Every time flash's plugin-container spawns firefox freezes for 10 seconds. After the plugin is unused for a few seconds firefox despawns it. Is there a config option to tell it not to despawn it in 60 minutes?

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

All Else Failed posted:

Well now, out of the loving blue, when I clear recent history it no longer removes my recently closed tabs and windows. I don't want people knowing I jerk off to midget tranny porn. What the gently caress, Firefox? Why for no reason do you give me these issues?

Isn't that what Private Browsing mode is for?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

karoshi posted:

I'm using firefox on a lovely notebook with what feels like a 15rpm disk. Every time flash's plugin-container spawns firefox freezes for 10 seconds. After the plugin is unused for a few seconds firefox despawns it. Is there a config option to tell it not to despawn it in 60 minutes?
I don't think so, but I'd recommend switching to Aurora and trying out the plugin-click-to-play feature, that way the plugin process will only launch when you actually want to view plugin content. You can also whitelist sites.

In more general system performance terms, run Crystal Disk Info (fourth download doesn't have anime or ads), if your drive shows Caution or Bad it is failing which would explain your poor performance, back up any files that are important to you and replace the drive with an SSD. If that looks good, run CCleaner to clean up any garbage (on the applications tab, make sure it's set to at least clear your Firefox cache and compact databases). That should clean a few GB of garbage off the system drive. You can then run MyDefrag (the System Disk Weekly script is most effective, System Disk Daily is almost as good but MUCH faster). These steps will make a significant difference in Firefox and overall responsiveness on systems with slower drives.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



Alereon posted:

I don't think so, but I'd recommend switching to Aurora and trying out the plugin-click-to-play feature, that way the plugin process will only launch when you actually want to view plugin content. You can also whitelist sites.

In more general system performance terms, run Crystal Disk Info (fourth download doesn't have anime or ads), if your drive shows Caution or Bad it is failing which would explain your poor performance, back up any files that are important to you and replace the drive with an SSD. If that looks good, run CCleaner to clean up any garbage (on the applications tab, make sure it's set to at least clear your Firefox cache and compact databases). That should clean a few GB of garbage off the system drive. You can then run MyDefrag (the System Disk Weekly script is most effective, System Disk Daily is almost as good but MUCH faster). These steps will make a significant difference in Firefox and overall responsiveness on systems with slower drives.

plugin-click-to-play is on Firefox 16.0.1 as well. I'm using Firefox after one of my plugins broke in Aurora and it seems it's still in 16.0.1 and so is the Activate Plugin thing.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
I don't think it has the ability to save per-site permissions though, which is important to keep it from turning into an annoying thing you want to turn off. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Looks like this was added to Firefox 17, currently in Beta.

Edit 2: I'm wrong and this is in Firefox 16, sweet!

Alereon fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Oct 21, 2012

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



Alereon posted:

I don't think it has the ability to save per-site permissions though, which is important to keep it from turning into an annoying thing you want to turn off. I could be wrong though.

Edit: Looks like this was added to Firefox 17, currently in Beta.

I may go back to beta at some point, but I think I'll stay with Firefox 16 and Aurora as backup.

How long will 17 remain in beta?

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Alereon posted:

I don't think it has the ability to save per-site permissions though, which is important to keep it from turning into an annoying thing you want to turn off. I could be wrong though.

16 can't do it per plugin, it's just "Can this site use any plugins? Yes for now/Always/No"

TwystNeko
Dec 25, 2004

*ya~~wn*
So, I had a really really odd issue that is apparently caused by something in FF 16.0.1 - if "Use Hardware Acceleration" is enabled, I get two things happening, but ONLY on my secondary monitor:

a) All drop down menus flicker and go invisible, yet are still clickable. This is incredibly annoying.
b) my secondary monitor blinks off, waits a couple seconds, then comes back on.

This doesn't happen on my primary monitor. Not running FF means everything works, also toggling off Hardware Acceleration works.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Upgrade your GPU drivers.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!
The click-to-start thing doesn't seem to play very nicely with the Acrobat reader plugin in Firefox 16. Is anyone else encountering this issue?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

The Dark One posted:

The click-to-start thing doesn't seem to play very nicely with the Acrobat reader plugin in Firefox 16. Is anyone else encountering this issue?
I did, but my workaround was to disable Acrobat Reader and use the built-in PDF reader.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Alereon posted:

I did, but my workaround was to disable Acrobat Reader and use the built-in PDF reader.

Is the built-in one different from the JS based PDF reader? I used that for a little while, but I found it to have significant rendering problems on occasion.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

kapinga posted:

Is the built-in one different from the JS based PDF reader? I used that for a little while, but I found it to have significant rendering problems on occasion.
That's what I'm referring to, but it has gotten a lot better with recent versions.

Enrico Furby
Jun 28, 2003

by Hand Knit

Mr.Radar posted:

Isn't that what Private Browsing mode is for?

I don't know, I've never had to use private browsing mode because when I cleared history it would... actually clear all of my history. Now it doesn't, for no discernible reason.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Is there a way to make the browser open maximized each time?

bunky
Aug 29, 2004

Scalding Coffee posted:

Is there a way to make the browser open maximized each time?

If you close it maximized, it should open maximized.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



In general in Windows, for that to stick through program close/reopen, I'd have to maximize, unmaximize, remaximize. And then it will remember to stay like that. If I don't do that, some programs keep starting up in windowed mode. This has been for me like that since XP. I don't know if it's a bug or a feature or what.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
You have to "true maximize" it with the maximize button. If you get it to fill the screen using Aero Snap, Windows doesn't remember sizes and positions set using Snap for some stupid reason.

Dice Dice Baby
Aug 30, 2004
I like "faggots"
Is there any way to "force" Firefox to cache [only] thumbnails for encrypted websites? My new tab page looks like a mouth missing teeth :(

the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

memento disco



Am I the only one seeing tab duplication on the last few Aurora builds? It seems like every now and then when I click over on a tab after a session restore, while it loads the page, it also spawns a new identical tab. I'm using tree style tabs but it's been completely trouble-free on Aurora so far.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
Tab duplication and other bad behavior was why I had to turn Tree-Style Tabs off near the end of Aurora 16.

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pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe
Why does my Firefox randomly switch windows, or rather, push the window I'm reading and navigating on to the background?

I'm reading a page, seemingly any kind of page (such as these forums), and when I click a link on the page, another one of the Firefox pages I have open pops to the foreground for no goddamn reason.

It happens all the time on all kinds of sites clicking any links. The active window just switches for no reason, and it's driving me nuts. I can't reliably reproduce it, as going back the page and clicking the same links won't make the problem appear - it just happens randomly.

I'm using Windows 7 x64 and no particular addons, just Adblock and Firebug. Same thing happens on my work computer with similar Firefox setup.

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