Paedogeddon on the British Paedoisles - Paed Heath

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Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

It's the Mail, but they have a good piece on another detective agency, RISC management, that's also involved with various dodgy practises, 'Phone hacking' security firm linked to Scotland Yard forced to hand over secret informants list. I've written a little about them before here.

# ? Oct 21, 2012 19:53

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:43

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Some interesting drama on Twitter last night. Front page of today's Daily Mail claimed Peter Rippon (of Newsnight) had resigned ahead of tonight's Panorama Savile show. Except Peter Rippon denied it last night. Claim is still on DM page and expecting lots of comparisons to BBC situation and the subject of Levenson Enq. Throughout the week.

# ? Oct 22, 2012 08:48

Plavski: Feb 1, 2006; I could be a revolutionary

It's official now.

# ? Oct 22, 2012 11:31

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Plavski posted:

It's official now.

No, it's not: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20024904

He's 'stepping aside' which may sound like bullshit language, but pending an investigation, he's still in the job. It sounds like (from the reports about the Panorama programme) that there's no evidence that he was pressured to make a decision and, if true, he'll remain in his post.

# ? Oct 22, 2012 11:54

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Tom Watson has as bee in his bonnet today, he's been asking Neil Wallis, formally of the NotW about his former staff members activities:

quote:

@neilwallis1 @peterjukes Are you aware of any allegations of abuse of minors by former employees of News of the World, Neil?

quote:

@neilwallis1 I asked you if you were aware of allegations of abuse of minors by former employees - having sex with underage children?

# ? Oct 22, 2012 17:37

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Brown Moses posted:

Tom Watson has as bee in his bonnet today, he's been asking Neil Wallis, formally of the NotW about his former staff members activities:

Very interesting. Hope this leads somewhere.

# ? Oct 22, 2012 18:25

Loonytoad Quack: Aug 24, 2004; High on Shatner's Bassoon

It's all hotting up again:

@tom_watson posted:

Blimey. RT @SkyNewsBreak 4 individuals have issued hacking claims to the High Court against the publisher of The Daily Mirror and The People

From what's going around on Twitter at the moment it appears to relate to the time when Piers Morgan was Editor.

e: More details here (NB: paste the link into Google then click the result to get around the paywall): http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/15613358-1c58-11e2-a63b-00144feabdc0.html

A notable extract:

quote:

One of the claimants in the case against Mirror Group Newspapers � the former England football manager Sven-G�ran Eriksson � has filed a claim alleging phone hacking at The Daily Mirror when Piers Morgan was editor. Mr Morgan has repeatedly denied any involvement in phone hacking.

Loonytoad Quack fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 22, 2012

# ? Oct 22, 2012 22:38

Limerick: Oct 23, 2009

Brown Moses posted:

Tom Watson has as bee in his bonnet today, he's been asking Neil Wallis, formally of the NotW about his former staff members activities:

What the gently caress? I didn't know abuse of minors was even an allegation in this whole thing. Did I not read the thread carefully enough? Can I get a source?

# ? Oct 22, 2012 22:50

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Morgan used Southern Investigations during his time at the NotW and Mirror, so it seems unlikely he didn't used the full breadth of their services.

# ? Oct 22, 2012 22:52

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Loonytoad Quack posted:

It's all hotting up again:

From what's going around on Twitter at the moment it appears to relate to the time when Piers Morgan was Editor.

e: More details here (NB: paste the link into Google then click the result to get around the paywall): http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/15613358-1c58-11e2-a63b-00144feabdc0.html

A notable extract:

And this is tomorrow's FT front page:

Wonder how Morgan will wriggle out of this?

# ? Oct 22, 2012 22:53

Iohannes: Aug 17, 2004; FREEEEEEEEEDOM

Hong XiuQuan posted:

And this is tomorrow's FT front page:

Wonder how Morgan will wriggle out of this?

He's 98% slime.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 07:27

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Hong XiuQuan posted:

And this is tomorrow's FT front page:

Wonder how Morgan will wriggle out of this?

He lives in the states. He'll simply deny it and refuse to cooperate, while tweeting pithy comments to try and diminish the effects of the allegations.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 08:44

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Tithin Melias posted:

He lives in the states. He'll simply deny it and refuse to cooperate, while tweeting pithy comments to try and diminish the effects of the allegations.

He's not a citizen (yet) though, is he? Anyone know if this gives him less protection from extradition if required?

# ? Oct 23, 2012 09:25

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Via @MediaGuido

quote:

Rumours going round of explosive new evidence against @PiersMorgan

# ? Oct 23, 2012 10:00

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

YESSSSSSSS!

# ? Oct 23, 2012 10:33

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Two more Elvedon arrests

quote:

Op Elveden arrests former woman MoD employee (34) and serving male member of armed forces (31) in Rotherham @metpoliceuk #Leveson

# ? Oct 23, 2012 11:18

spamman: Jul 11, 2002; Chin up Tiger, There is always next season...

Brown Moses posted:

Two more Elvedon arrests

Know if this is related to any earlier claims?

# ? Oct 23, 2012 11:31

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

spamman posted:

Know if this is related to any earlier claims?

It's unclear at the moment, very little info.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 11:40

VanSandman: Feb 16, 2011; SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Hong XiuQuan posted:

He's not a citizen (yet) though, is he? Anyone know if this gives him less protection from extradition if required?

Nothing would give me a schadenboner like having Piers Morgan extradited from the United States.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 12:12

zokie: Feb 13, 2006; Out of many, Sweden

I think it was here or in the previous thread someone posted this regarding Piers Morgan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcOge6pMhg

ninja: Just how did he know of this?

# ? Oct 23, 2012 14:07

Grundulum: Feb 28, 2006

Snowbot posted:

What the gently caress? I didn't know abuse of minors was even an allegation in this whole thing. Did I not read the thread carefully enough? Can I get a source?

Would love more on this. I, too, found the sudden "abuse of minors" thing a bit weird.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 16:18

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

More from the Guardian on the Elvedon arrests

quote:

Operation Elveden: two arrested over alleged corruption

A serving member of the armed forces and a former Ministry of Defence employee have been arrested by detectives investigating alleged corrupt payments to public officials by journalists, Scotland Yard said.

A 34-year-old woman, who previously worked for the MoD, was arrested at her home in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, at 6am on Wednesday on suspicion of misconduct in a public office and corruption.

A 31-year-old man, who is a serving member of the armed forces, was detained at the same address on suspicion of aiding and abetting misconduct in a public office and money laundering.

Both are being questioned at a South Yorkshire police station.

A Metropolitan police spokesman said the arrests were the result of information provided to police by the management and standards committee at newspaper publisher News Corporation.

He said: "It relates to suspected payments to public officials and is not about seeking journalists to reveal confidential sources in relation to information that has been obtained legitimately."

The arrests bring to 52 the number of people arrested in Operation Elveden, the investigation into alleged corrupt payments to public officials.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 16:21

Mr Cuddles: Jan 29, 2010; Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

I was just reading back over some old stories around the time when Piers Morgan got fired as editor of the daily mail and found this entire passage incredibly amusing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/may/14/pressandpublishing.iraq3

quote:

Rebekah Wade, the editor of the Sun and a close personal friend, said: "Piers was the greatest of rivals and a truly unique character. Fleet Street will not be the same without him."

Andy Coulson, the editor of the News of the World, who cut his teeth working with Morgan on the Sun's Bizarre showbusiness column said: "Piers is a great journalist. He's done some brilliant things at the Daily Mirror and I think it's a real shame that his editorship has ended this way."

But Trevor Kavanagh, the powerful political editor of the Sun, said: "One word would have saved his career. Had he said sorry straight away, he would still be at the paper."

p.s. Hillsborough

also, Piers Morgan features in the wikipedia article for the word oval office: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/oval office

# ? Oct 23, 2012 18:51

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

quote:

Senior Mirror Group journalist 'regularly paid private investigators for mobile phone numbers and private pin access codes'

Scotland Yard are holding evidence that a senior Mirror Group executive regularly paid a private investigations firm up to �125 a time for mobile phone numbers and private pin access codes at least two years before phone hacking became a routine practice at the News of the World.

Invoices for the service that have been shown to The Independent, name the news executive but today the former Mirror employee � who cannot be identified for legal reasons - said he could not discuss the significance of evidence held by the Metropolitan Police. He said: �All of this should be referred to Trinity Mirror.�

Shares in Trinity Mirror, publisher of the Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror and People, today plummeted by �20m after it was revealed that four high-profile individuals, including the former England football manager, Sven-Goran Eriksson, had begun legal action claiming their phones were hacked by Mirror newspapers.

The claims filed at the High Court yesterday, which allege �breach of confidence and misuse of private information� relating to illegal mobile phone voicemail interceptions, is the first significant expansion of phone hacking in the UK beyond Rupert Murdoch�s News International titles.

The three other claimants are the Coronation street actress, Shobna Gulati, the former nanny of star footballer David Bekham, Abbie Gibson, and the former captain of Blackburn Rovers, Garry Flitcroft.

The regimes of three Trinity Mirror editors are implicated in the claims, including Piers Morgan who edited the Daily Mirror between 1995 and 2004 and was in charge of the title when it revealed the affair between Mr Eriksson and broadcaster Ulrika Jonsson in a story that is at the centre of the football manager�s complaint. Mr Morgan, now a star interviewer on the US news channel CNN, has repeatedly said he has no knowledge of phone hacking happening during his editorship.

Tonight the lawyer representing the new claimants, Mark Lewis, said that since the news broke of the allegations against the Mirror titles, others had contacted him. �They have raised issues that I will now have to look into,� he said.

Trinity Mirror has consistently tried to distance itself from illegal practices that were adopted inside titles run by Rupert Murdoch�s UK print operation. Today the company repeated assurances given to the Leveson Inquiry earlier this year by its former chief executive, Sly Bailey, stating that �all� its journalists worked �within the criminal law and the Press Complaints Commission Code of Conduct.�

However a former Trinity Mirror journalist who today spoke to The Independent on condition of anonymity, repeated the allegations given to the Leveson Inquiry last year by the Mirror�s former business writer, James Hipwell, who claimed he had personally been shown �how to hack� by the paper�s showbusiness team.

The former journalist, building on Mr Hipwell�s account, said staff were bullied into hacking, that it was common knowledge and that voicemail interceptions took place from the 1990s to well into the 2000s.

The Independent was told �It started off as a cult activity by showbiz reporters. It was a plentiful source of cheap diary stories, but then it became proven that it broke big stories, and the news people started to use it and the showbiz people started to get promoted into news � and they would insist it was used. It became standard practice.�

Backing up Mr Hipwell�s Leveson testimony, the source said they had first-hand knowledge of its use, knew people who �were at it� and that it was done openly in Trinity Mirror titles. They added �It was done with authority. Political decisions [within the offices] were made that this was what people had to do � even if it was against their will.�

Alleging that senior Trinity Mirror management knew of the illegal practice, and were involved in keeping it a secret, could, if proven, be financially damaging for the struggling publishing group.

Being part of the Murdoch-owned News Corp has allowed News International to both mount a robust legal fight-back against phone hacking, while at the same time bowing to the inevitable high-tariff damages that have arisen from scores of settled civil claims. That process is still on-going with NI�s final hacking bill now expected to soar past the �200 million mark.

Trinity Mirror are without such financial muscle. Its share price has fallen 90 percent over the last five years, and at the close of last year was servicing debt of around �220 million.

Company insiders are now saying that Ms Bailey�s decision taken last year not to order an investigation along the lines of NI�s �management standards committee� (MSC) review, could now be reviewed. She explained her decision to Lord Justice Leveson saying that as there was no evidence Mirror Group journalists had hacked phone, there was no need to conduct an investigation.

In place of a detailed investigation, Paul Vickers, the company�s legal director, who is a former barrister, varied out a review of editorial controls and procedures. A company spokesman said Mr Vickers review �had no historical element to it, and simply examined existing practices.�

The spokesman said they would be making no comment on any evidence held by Scotland Yard, and as it had yet to receive any claims from Mark Lewis could add nothing more.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 20:35

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

Oh God... that's quite big isn't it?

# ? Oct 23, 2012 21:16

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

thehustler posted:

Oh God... that's quite big isn't it?

A lot of it was brought to the Mirror by journalists who worked on NI titles and had used Southern Investigations, allegedly Piers Morgan was one, but it wasn't limited to him.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 21:21

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

But the article says before it was commonplace at NI.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 22:01

Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Looking forward to Piers Morgan's inevitable self-indulgent meltdown. Maybe we'll get lucky and it will take place in the public eye.

Every week this seems to get worse. Somehow I feel we're nowhere near the bottom of this.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 22:02

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Yes, commonplace but not unknown. Here's more on the story

quote:

CNN increasingly twitchy over Piers Morgan's tabloid past as phone hacking scandal spreads to Daily Mirror

Ever since he left The Daily Mirror under a cloud in 2004, Piers Morgan has gone to some lengths to put his newspaper days behind him. As if to emphasise his credentials as a transatlantic chatshow host, he gave his evidence to the Leveson Inquiry via a videolink from Los Angeles.

But try as he might, the former showbusiness gossip columnist who has reinvented himself as CNN�s main weapon in America�s rating wars has yet to shrug off the miasma of allegations generated by the News of the World phone hacking scandal.

While his former employers at Rupert Murdoch�s News International have borne the brunt of the storm over illegal newsgathering, Morgan and Trinity Mirror have had to deal with regular jibes that their titles also indulged in shady practices.

During his evidence to Leveson, Morgan repeated his strenuous denials of having had any knowledge or experience of voicemail interception.

This summer, he emphasised the point on his own CNN show, saying: �For the record, in my time at The Mirror and the News of the World, I have never hacked a phone, told anybody to hack a phone, nor to my knowledge published any story obtained from the hacking of a phone.�

Ironically, many of the claims that resurface against Morgan owe their origin to the man himself. In his autobiography, The Insider, the former editor details how an unnamed individual described to him the practice of hacking phones in 2001 and another incident in April 2000 in which the actress Kate Winslet asked him how he had got hold of a new phone number for her.

During the Leveson Inquiry, Morgan was asked about a lunch in 2002 with television presenter Ulrika Jonsson and Jeremy Paxman in which the BBC Newsnight presenter said the newspaperman had shown him how to prevent his voicemails being eavesdropped and implied he knew the contents of conversations between Jonsson and then England football manager Sven Goran Eriksson. Morgan laughed off Paxman�s claims, saying he could not recall details.

Mr Morgan did not comment on the latest phone hacking claims against Trinity Mirror. His Twitter account, normally a source of prolific tweets, was silent today.

# ? Oct 23, 2012 22:02

dimebag dinkman: Feb 20, 2003

"Countryside".

# ? Oct 24, 2012 10:43

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

dimebag dinkman posted:

"Countryside".

"Suicide."

# ? Oct 24, 2012 11:01

Wiggly Wayne DDS: Sep 11, 2010

Brown Moses posted:

Tom Watson has as bee in his bonnet today, he's been asking Neil Wallis, formally of the NotW about his former staff members activities:

Well given what Watson just alleged...

@twatson posted:

Hoping to catch the Speaker's eye at #pmq's today. It's been a while. Feeling a bit anxious about it.
https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/261058586380230656

Leading to PMQs...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20070093

bbc posted:

MP raises claim of past paedophile ring linked to No 10
Labour MP Tom Watson has said police must investigate claims of a "powerful paedophile ring" linked to a previous prime minister's "senior adviser" and Parliament.

He asked David Cameron to ensure that officers looked into the allegations.

Mr Cameron said he would look into the issue, although he said he was not clear which former prime minister's adviser was being referred to.

The exchanges came during Prime Minister's Questions in the Commons.

Mr Watson said an evidence file collected by the police to convict paedophile Peter Righton in 1992 "contains clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring".

"One of its members boasts of his links to a senior aide of a former prime minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad," he said.

"The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exist, I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10."

David Cameron said it was a "very difficult and complex case" and he was "not entirely sure" which former prime minister Mr Watson was referring to.

But he agreed to look at the case "very carefully and see what the government can do" to give Mr Watson the assurances he wanted.

Bit off topic but interesting to see NotW implicated in this
Sent from phone so sorry over any mistakes.

# ? Oct 24, 2012 13:54

Warrahooyaargh: Sep 15, 2007; Oh the mundanity

dimebag dinkman posted:

"Countryside".

I'm guessing this is a reference to an episode of I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue when they did a round of funny definitions and that word was said to be defined by the phrase "the murder of Piers Morgan". I was listening to it over Sunday lunch and nearly choked. Good old Radio 4!

# ? Oct 24, 2012 15:47

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

zylche posted:

Well given what Watson just alleged...

Leading to PMQs...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20070093

Labour MP Tom Watson has said police must investigate claims of a "powerful paedophile ring" linked to a previous prime minister's "senior adviser" and Parliament.

When you think they can't get worse!

Widespread illegal phone tapping, computer hacking, intimidation, murder, blackmail of public officials, bribery of the police and military. Now a pedophile ring.

# ? Oct 25, 2012 03:04

Twisted Perspective: Sep 15, 2005; I've come to see you...

There have been conspiracy theories about Gordon Brown being a paedophile floating around the net for years.

# ? Oct 25, 2012 03:39

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

The Ray Adams & Co story made it down here to my local paper (it's a Fairfax rag)!

On The Run With Murdoch's Pirates

# ? Oct 25, 2012 07:53

Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

Charlotte Church just followed me on Twitter, she only follows 260 people, and I'm guessing it's not for my Syria work.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

# ? Oct 25, 2012 11:43

Loonytoad Quack: Aug 24, 2004; High on Shatner's Bassoon

Brown Moses posted:

Charlotte Church just followed me on Twitter, she only follows 260 people, and I'm guessing it's not for my Syria work.

Have you ever thought of getting in touch with Hacked Off to see if you can be of any help to them? You have such an amazing understanding of how everything fits together I think you could be invaluable to them in all sorts of ways.

# ? Oct 25, 2012 11:48

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Brown Moses posted:

Charlotte Church just followed me on Twitter, she only follows 260 people, and I'm guessing it's not for my Syria work.

Might be interested in your take on the Pentateuch

# ? Oct 25, 2012 11:49

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 11:43

Iohannes: Aug 17, 2004; FREEEEEEEEEDOM

Twisted Perspective posted:

There have been conspiracy theories about Gordon Brown being a paedophile floating around the net for years.

First the rumours were that he was gay, then a pederast. The more recent ones connect him with Thomas Hamilton. They're generally noticeable as anti-Scottish and anti-Masonic ravings by the kind of person who still talks about Zionist conspiracies and the Soviet European Union aka Mike James

# ? Oct 25, 2012 11:51

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