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Did anyone expect them not to come out with a turbo version? It's not like Subaru doesn't have any flat fours with turbochargers on them now, right?
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ft86club.com.txt: 'this will never happen TASA SAN SAID IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN' 'it does need a turbo it would ruin the balance of the car' 'it doesnt need a turbo yet I am bolting on an aftermarket turbo/SC' yeah guys, they are going to tell you before they launch the NA version of the car that in a year or two they are making a faster, better car. they dont want to sell you a bunch of the NA model at all!
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Oct 23, 2012 01:57
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Great, now I get to choose between turbo and NA models when it comes time to pull a motor out of a U-shaped husk wrapped around a tree. But seriously, a turbo makes some degree of sense. I bet people would be really pissed if Subaru could deliver a BRZ with less than a year long wait list. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Oct 23, 2012 |
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Oct 23, 2012 02:07
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Laserface posted:yeah guys, they are going to tell you before they launch the NA version of the car that in a year or two they are making a faster, better car. they dont want to sell you a bunch of the NA model at all! Most people that know Subaru knew an 'STI' equivalent of the BRZ was coming with more power, but with the way they kept denying a turbo; even for the BRZ STI/whatever; I was under the impression that they decided to keep it N/A.
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Oct 23, 2012 02:35
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Can't wait to hear the  when it comes in at $35k.
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Oct 23, 2012 02:52
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If they make a turbo FR-S I am all over that poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2012 02:53
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fknlo posted:Can't wait to hear the Meh. I bought a BRZ this weekend because everything I was comparing it to was twice the price. I'll probably trade it in on one of those because there's really nothing else out there that compares. I'd guess $33k though.
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Oct 23, 2012 03:06
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fknlo posted:Can't wait to hear the I can buy a 420hp mustang for that price 
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Oct 23, 2012 03:39
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I'm calling bullshit. An anonymous source says it's going to have 280hp? Righttt... Does it shoot rainbows out of the tail pipe too because that would be FABULOUS!
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Oct 23, 2012 03:45
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Why bullshit? Thats right around the same HP Hyundai puts out in their RWD coupe. The Mustang puts out even more from it's V6. It seems comparable to the competitors and may have a slight advantage with lower weight.
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Oct 23, 2012 03:49
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Mat_Drinks posted:I'm calling bullshit. they say that because they are referring to the FA20-T already in use in the Legacy GT with those power figures. I mean, the logical conclusion here is that it ends up in the BRZ.
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Oct 23, 2012 03:53
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Also the claim is that they're developing a turbo version of the engine. If the engine gets put into the WRX, that's what everyone would expect. The bit about putting in back in (or that it would fit in) the BRZ is pure speculation.
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Oct 23, 2012 03:57
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Mat_Drinks posted:I'm calling bullshit. I'm going to assume this is a joke, but if not, Subaru has made 300hp from their 2.0L since the mid 90s.
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Oct 23, 2012 04:00
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Muffinpox posted:I'm going to assume this is a joke, but if not, Subaru has made 300hp from their 2.0L since the mid 90s. Hrm. I know that Subaru can get 300hp from an engine. I know about the LGT, FA-T, etc... Did anyone click through to the Autoblog link? Did anyone click through to the source? Alternately, have any of you read this (non car, but tech) article?: http://gizmodo.com/5953355/how-i-fooled-the-internet-into-thinking-this-fake-sony-nexus-was-real So yes, I'm calling bullshit. Not because some Japanese engineer said they wouldn't build an FI car, but because the story lacks substantiated information, a reliable source and just seems fishy in general. Especially the suggestion that Subaru would drop this for 2014. Why, when they are having no problems selling the cars that they are making now, would they start working on a turbo version with a release date of a year from now? Even back with the early USDM WRXs it was still generally two years between updates and that was in a pre recession world. I'll say maybe, in two years they create a turbo version that is some SPEC Z, Type UM, version D and it's expensive and Japan (or possibly UK, AUS and friends) only. OR at the end of the current designs lifecycle, a more realistic three to four years, they bring a mild version of the turbo engine. If they do, I bet it's detuned to 250hp to help pass mileage requirements and $35k.
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Oct 23, 2012 04:52
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Mat_Drinks posted:Hrm. I know that Subaru can get 300hp from an engine. I know about the LGT, FA-T, etc... I agree with Matt on this one. Automotive blogs and news sites are notorious for baseless speculation. It sells and gives them hits because they know people search for these things. You should have seen how many non-articles were released about the next VW Golf. They included everything from promises about the GTD coming to the US to fake renders that make it look like a versa or Mazda3.
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Oct 23, 2012 12:12
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Hey guys, the aftermarket has turbo'd the FA20 and gotten 400hp out of it -- I don't know why you all think a modest increase in horsepower from the OEM is somehow impossible.
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emoltra posted:Hey guys, the aftermarket has turbo'd the FA20 and gotten 400hp out of it -- I don't know why you all think a modest increase in horsepower from the OEM is somehow impossible. It's highly unlikely for that story to be true, though, given the time frame, the other products currently in development, and the fact that the likely price point for a proper OEM version with warranty would start stepping on the new WRX/STi's toes. It makes no sense to come out with such a product literally a year after or concurrent to the new WRX model. Also the whole "no sources at all" thing.
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Oct 23, 2012 14:37
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If you switch the engine over to E85 and retune it you immediately get 250hp. Somehow I doubt it'd be very difficult or time consuming for Subaru engineers to achieve 280hp with forced induction.
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Oct 23, 2012 15:07
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emoltra posted:If you switch the engine over to E85 and retune it you immediately get 250hp. Somehow I doubt it'd be very difficult or time consuming for Subaru engineers to achieve 280hp with forced injection. Not on a factory warranty. And the word you're looking for is "induction."
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Oct 23, 2012 15:16
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Cream_Filling posted:...And the word you're looking for is "induction." Forced Injection? He thinks Subaru is planning on raping its engine.
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Oct 23, 2012 15:18
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emoltra posted:Subaru engineers to achieve 280hp with forced injection. 280hp of pure
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Oct 23, 2012 15:20
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It's not that the power numbers are unbelievable, or that it's somehow inconceivable for Subaru to want to make a turbocharged version of the car. Matt's post does a pretty good job of laying out the more business-side reasons that a 2014 MY turbo BRZ seems very unlikely. Also: Subaru BRZ Spec- 
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Those asshat "journalists" are incompetent. The motor they described is the one Subaru is developing for the the next WRX, not the BRZ. I seriously doubt Subaru are going to put out a turbo BRZ right around the time their halo car new generation is launched. Chill, the BRZ STI will get more power, it aint getting a turbo.
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Oct 23, 2012 20:59
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Cat Terrist posted:Those asshat "journalists" are incompetent. The motor they described is the one Subaru is developing for the the next WRX, not the BRZ. I used to believe Audi was actually going to produce an R4, but now I've come to accept that it exists only in the minds of internet journalists. I imagine a tuned TRD or STI version of the toyobaru would put to rest most power complaints even without forced induction. Lots of people seem to be concerned about the torque dip more than anything else, and if they can tune that out and boost top power even a little bit hopefully it will satisfy the majority. Of course there will always be people wanting more power, so I'm sure it won't be long until we see BRZ STIs with aftermarket turbo kits. On that topic, I've been scouring the internet for info on using FI with the toyobaru, and there seem to be quite a few turbo kits popping up but not much in the way of superchargers. From what I've seen a supercharger setup would potentially be cheaper, lighter and easier to install, and they are supposedly capable of adding 50+ hp without too much trouble, so why am I not seeing more of them? I suppose a supercharger might limit you somewhat if you want huge power gains, but in my opinion this car doesn't need it. On the other hand parasitic loss and it's effect on fuel economy is a common complaint. It seems the only way to avoid this is with a roots style supercharger, and I haven't found anyone using one on a toyobaru yet. Regardless, at this point it's all purely speculative for me, I won't even be buying the car for 18 months or so, let alone modifying it. For now I'm basically just writing a wishlist. 
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To be completely honest, you'll always see more turbo kits come out first, regardless of model. creating a turbo kit is relatively easy compared to a supercharger kit.
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ubachung posted:I used to believe Audi was actually going to produce an R4, but now I've come to accept that it exists only in the minds of internet journalists. He begins to feel depressed. He knows the end is near. He realizes that imaginary exhaust notes and imaginary cars exist only in the imagination of the imaginer... and ultimately, who gives a gently caress anyway?
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Oct 25, 2012 16:00
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I know a turbo model is much more likely,but is it possible that a 3L flat 6 would ever make it into this car?
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Oct 25, 2012 21:32
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Don't be silly. jeff8472 posted:I know a turbo model is much more likely,but is it possible that a 3L flat 6 would ever make it into this car? How are you with a welder? 
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Oct 25, 2012 21:36
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jeff8472 posted:I know a turbo model is much more likely,but is it possible that a 3L flat 6 would ever make it into this car? Aftermarket? I know it's being worked on right now. Factory? No.
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ubachung posted:
Vortech is announcing the details of their kit at SEMA next week, and it sounds like it will be on 3-4 cars there. I believe there is a roots kit being developed in AUS, but it sounds like it'll be pricey. There's a twin screw kit too that I think is going to be at SEMA. Really, you just need to brave the cesspool that is the ft86 forums and go to the FI section.
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Oct 26, 2012 05:16
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Someone should put a custom blower on a V4 and mate that up to the tranny. Would be cute to have a tiny blower sitting through the roof. 
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Oct 26, 2012 05:48
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Mat_Drinks posted:Vortech is announcing the details of their kit at SEMA next week, and it sounds like it will be on 3-4 cars there. Literaly one of the first things hks did was a supercharger kit on their demo car. 
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Oct 26, 2012 10:39
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kimbo305 posted:a tiny blower sitting through the roof. If I had the money I'd be on this immediately. 
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Oct 26, 2012 12:38
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Any opinions wrt to the long term implications of E85 on this car? It's readily available and rather cheap in Ottawa so it's quite tempting.
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Oct 26, 2012 23:13
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a big fwiggen terd posted:Literaly one of the first things hks did was a supercharger kit on their demo car. Good point, though it's pretty steep at ~$6k w/o tuning. Looks like these guys are going to have it at SEMA though, so maybe we'll get better US pricing and info: http://blog.evasivemotorsports.com/
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Deathreaper posted:Any opinions wrt to the long term implications of E85 on this car? It's readily available and rather cheap in Ottawa so it's quite tempting. Do it. The more cheap BRZs with wrecked engines to stuff an LSx into a few years from now the better.
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Oct 29, 2012 03:57
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Wheeee posted:Do it. It will be the new FD RX7.  We'll have people swapping out the stock "quirky" motor for a Chev V8 while the purists defend the original engine since it keeps the original balance to the car.
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Oct 29, 2012 21:26
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Wheeee posted:Do it. There is only one answer: A Nelson engine.
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I'd really like to sell my RSX Type-S with 120,000 miles and get a BRZ, but it feels weird to make such a sideways move. The rumors of a turbo BRZ make me feel like I should wait 
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