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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Splitting washrooms by sex isn't a perfect system, but it works. There are too many variables with transgendered people to make washrooms co-ed. How can you determine if someone has transitioned enough to use the washroom of the opposite sex? If a transman still looks like a woman, it doesn't seem like a good idea to let her use the men's room just because she feels like a man, especially from a safety point of view.

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prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Frosted Flake posted:

Splitting washrooms by sex isn't a perfect system, but it works. There are too many variables with transgendered people to make washrooms co-ed. How can you determine if someone has transitioned enough to use the washroom of the opposite sex? If a transman still looks like a woman, it doesn't seem like a good idea to let her use the men's room just because she feels like a man, especially from a safety point of view.



You could just let everybody in. :shrug:


Comrade Question
Mar 30, 2011

"I'd say it's nothing personal, but corporations are people, too."

Frosted Flake posted:

Splitting washrooms by sex isn't a perfect system, but it works. There are too many variables with transgendered people to make washrooms co-ed. How can you determine if someone has transitioned enough to use the washroom of the opposite sex? If a transman still looks like a woman, it doesn't seem like a good idea to let her use the men's room just because she feels like a man, especially from a safety point of view.

That's as good an excuse as I'll get to post this:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Don't know why you're so concerned with our genitals anyway. Are you some kind of pervert?

Women's toilets are just stalls, last time I checked. There's no way you're gonna know what a woman has in her pants unless you're looking. Which is sexual harassment, I'm sure you're aware.

Also, I should point out that the amount of trans-on-cis assaults in toilets is extremely negligible. Don't want to say none, because someone will say "but this happened", but it happens about as much as feminists burn bras, Jews drink blood, Satanists sacrifice children, and people on welfare having kids to get a bigger cheque.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

a false posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA

This is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen

ARE MAIR :byodood:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I'm sorry that you feel that having different washrooms for the two sexes is a great injustice. Maybe more places will have family/handicapped washrooms in the next few years.

Maybe if cognitive behavior therapy was more common, people with gender dysmorphic disorder could get the help they need without worrying about changing society.



e: grammar.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
I'm glad to hear of your medical expertise, and your dissension from your peers that reparative therapy for trans people doesn't work and that transition is the only effective method of treating gender dysphoria.

dr cum patrol esq
Sep 3, 2003

A C A B

:350:

a false posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA

This is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen

Why is the chairman (not sure if that's his official title) yelling at some old lady instead of the fat dude from captain planet?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Shut-up! Shut-up! Shut-up about bathrooms!

Post pictures:



Better times.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm sorry that you feel that having different washrooms for the two sexes is a great injustice. Maybe more places will have family/handicapped washrooms in the next few years.

Maybe if cognitive behavior therapy was more common, people with gender dysmorphic disorder could get the help they need without worrying about changing society.



e: grammar.

Before you get into a discussion about transgender issues maybe you should say "I think transgender people are mentally ill cis people." That way you can be ignored completely.


Christ Sophia by Robert Lentz

Harvey Milk of San Francisco, by Robert Lentz

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.


a false posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA

This is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen

President Merkin Muffley!



"Let him yell for a minute and blow off his steam and then we'll go on with our meeting."

Ulf
Jul 15, 2001

FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE
Nap Ghost


It's difficult to do anything in German without being able to make some comparison to Hitler.

Noreaus
May 22, 2008

HEY, WHAT'S HAPPENING? :)

Ulf posted:



It's difficult to do anything in German without being able to make some comparison to Hitler.

But that first one was a poll result, the second one is a polling card. That's not the same thing at all :psyduck:



The state of the british left.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

front wing flexing posted:

Why is the chairman (not sure if that's his official title) yelling at some old lady instead of the fat dude from captain planet?



Because he literally does this is all the time and the council usually just ignores him until he runs out of steam and goes back to sleep, which is what the chairman wants, but the other councillor starts yelling too and oh god Toronto politics...

Daktar
Aug 19, 2008

I done turned 'er head into a slug an' now she's a-stucked!

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm sorry that you feel that having different washrooms for the two sexes is a great injustice. Maybe more places will have family/handicapped washrooms in the next few years.

Maybe if cognitive behavior therapy was more common, people with gender dysmorphic disorder could get the help they need without worrying about changing society.



e: grammar.

Wow, gently caress you, buddy. I'm probably the least knowledgeable person in the world about trans* issues and even I know that gender dysphoria isn't something you just cure with therapy. I suppose you believe in gay conversion treatments, too?


Lana (formerly Larry) Wachowski at the premiere of her and her brother's new film.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Noreaus posted:

But that first one was a poll result, the second one is a polling card. That's not the same thing at all :psyduck:



The state of the british left.

Splitter!


Actual content:

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Daktar posted:

Wow, gently caress you, buddy. I'm probably the least knowledgeable person in the world about trans* issues and even I know that gender dysphoria isn't something you just cure with therapy. I suppose you believe in gay conversion treatments, too?


Lana (formerly Larry) Wachowski at the premiere of her and her brother's new film.

She recently gave a big speech, and it sounds like she's pretty happy these days, which is a nice thing.


Laura Jane Grace, formerly Tom Gabel.

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Frosted Flake posted:

Splitting washrooms by sex isn't a perfect system, but it works. There are too many variables with transgendered people to make washrooms co-ed. How can you determine if someone has transitioned enough to use the washroom of the opposite sex? If a transman still looks like a woman, it doesn't seem like a good idea to let her use the men's room just because she feels like a man, especially from a safety point of view.

That's some drat fine misgendering you got there :thumbsup:

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm sorry that you feel that having different washrooms for the two sexes is a great injustice. Maybe more places will have family/handicapped washrooms in the next few years.

Maybe if cognitive behavior therapy was more common, people with gender dysmorphic disorder could get the help they need without worrying about changing society.

You're right, let me go back to all of the different therapists I've had over the years, surely one of them can make me finally be ok with my boy body.

Alternatively, maybe you're just an rear end in a top hat.

Also, to go along with the other trans woman pictures, here's CeCe McDonald:


CeCe had the bad luck to be with other queer friends one night when they were attacked by a group of white supremacists. During the attack she killed one of the attackers. She is now serving 41 months imprisoned in the all-male Minnesota Correctional Facility - St. Cloud for manslaughter. This is your punishment for being black and trans in America.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Noreaus posted:

But that first one was a poll result, the second one is a polling card. That's not the same thing at all :psyduck:



The state of the british left.

Divided and weak, but its still more than we have in the states. I also called the Democratic party "conservative with a weak resolve to help out people" and got called a socialist. :v:


Ramon Emeterio Bentances - Doctor, Surgeon, Father of the Puerto RIcan nation and the poor, and Instigator of "El Grito de Lares" an failed coup against Spain.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

prefect posted:

She recently gave a big speech, and it sounds like she's pretty happy these days, which is a nice thing.


Laura Jane Grace, formerly Tom Gabel.

I saw the speech and it was simultaneously happy and sad. :smith:

And I was gonna post Laura Jane Grace. :argh:



Luke Anderson, winner of this year's Big Brother, and the second trans person to win Big Brother. Like Nadia Almada eight years ago, he was subject to transphobic jokes in tabloid coverage of the series.



Regardless, like Nadia, he endeared himself to the public's heart. :unsmith:

Ulf
Jul 15, 2001

FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE
Nap Ghost

Noreaus posted:

But that first one was a poll result, the second one is a polling card. That's not the same thing at all :psyduck:
I meant purely in terms of layout

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"


What comic is that? I want to read that comic!

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

Baronjutter posted:

What comic is that? I want to read that comic!
This Godless Communism

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


What's wrong with black hitler? I'm pretty sure it's adolf hitler that was the bad one.

Here's Tina Fey talking at the inaugural gala for The Center of Reproductive Rights

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Ulf posted:

I meant purely in terms of layout



Isn't that the old Post Office? Back then the owner would have already been the government. :psyduck:

massey ferguson
Mar 11, 2012

Daktar posted:

Wow, gently caress you, buddy. I'm probably the least knowledgeable person in the world about trans* issues and even I know that gender dysphoria isn't something you just cure with therapy. I suppose you believe in gay conversion treatments, too

there are trans and then there are trans who wont shut the gently caress up about it, some of whom could really benefit from therapy. I'm not saying this to be snarky, I went through therapy myself for depression and drug addiction and it was the best thing i ever done

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Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

Lord Lambeth posted:

What's wrong with black hitler? I'm pretty sure it's adolf hitler that was the bad one.


I dunno, I thought he was pretty chill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTY-PM4q10

Knockknees
Dec 21, 2004

sprung out fully formed

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Isn't that the old Post Office? Back then the owner would have already been the government. :psyduck:



No, it's not the post office, it's

which famously used to have its own zip code.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Lord Lambeth posted:

What's wrong with black hitler? I'm pretty sure it's adolf hitler that was the bad one.

Here's Tina Fey talking at the inaugural gala for The Center of Reproductive Rights

I ate spaceman paninis with him! :pseudo:




massey ferguson posted:

there are trans and then there are trans who wont shut the gently caress up about it, some of whom could really benefit from therapy. I'm not saying this to be snarky, I went through therapy myself for depression and drug addiction and it was the best thing i ever done



Careful. You're veering close to "feminists would get more victories if they weren't so strident" territory. (I was at a talk a few months ago which touched upon stuff like this while discussing New Atheism's conscious parallels with feminism)

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Knockknees posted:

No, it's not the post office, it's

which famously used to have its own zip code.

Okay, the artist just sucks then.


I know it's from The Onion and just a joke, but people really need to stop making stupid jokes like that because they just feed the narrative that China owns like all our debt rather than just ~7%.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


massey ferguson posted:

there are trans and then there are trans who wont shut the gently caress up about it, some of whom could really benefit from therapy. I'm not saying this to be snarky, I went through therapy myself for depression and drug addiction and it was the best thing i ever done



Right, that worked well for women, black people, other minorities

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

massey ferguson posted:

there are trans and then there are trans who wont shut the gently caress up about it, some of whom could really benefit from therapy. I'm not saying this to be snarky, I went through therapy myself for depression and drug addiction and it was the best thing i ever done



In America you need three months therapy before you can be prescribed hormones, so most trans people not only go to therapy but are medically required to if they want to have an endocrinologist prescribe them medication instead of using street hormones. Of course there's a socio-economic aspect where trans people without insurance cannot get this, and the fact that the endocrinologist (unless sympathetic enough to diagnose a general hormone imbalance) isn't covered by insurance even if they have it. But those people would likely go to therapy if they had the ability.


Robert Lentz, Oscar Romero

Robert Lentz, Salvadoran Martyrs

Sorry I just really like Robert Lentz, it's pretty great seeing progressive figures and LGBT subjects done in traditional iconography. The fact that he's a Franciscan brother is also really cool.

massey ferguson
Mar 11, 2012

TinTower posted:

Careful. You're veering close to "feminists would get more victories if they weren't so strident" territory. (I was at a talk a few months ago which touched upon stuff like this while discussing New Atheism's conscious parallels with feminism)
This is the last post I'll make about this cos i hate these lovely derails, but do you honestly think that some people with body dysmorphia wouldn't benefit from therapy to make themselves feel more comfortable with their own bodies? Changing your sex if you chose to do so will be the biggest decision in your life (not to mention the most irreversible one) so why not explore every avenue available before making the decision.
And yes this means i believe in Gay conversion therapy psuedoscience well done to that poster :rolleyes:

edit:

quote:

In America you need three months therapy before you can be prescribed hormones, so most trans people not only go to therapy but are medically required to if they want to have an endocrinologist prescribe them medication instead of using street hormones. Of course there's a socio-economic aspect where trans people without insurance cannot get this, and the fact that the endocrinologist (unless sympathetic enough to diagnose a general hormone imbalance) isn't covered by insurance even if they have it. But those people would likely go to therapy if they had the ability.

I'm not american so maybe thats why I have a different viewpoint

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Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

I know it's from The Onion and just a joke, but people really need to stop making stupid jokes like that because they just feed the narrative that China owns like all our debt rather than just ~7%.

Haha I was about to say that this is the first halfway competent right-wing photoshop I've ever seen, but no wonder if it's from the Onion.

Here's Martin Lindner, vice chairman of the German Free Democratic Party's parliamentary group, with a joint in his mouth... on TV. :2bong: He took one puff of the, in his own words, 'joint-like construction' but denied inhaling.



Once/if my internet connection stops crapping out, I'll see if I can find a video.

e: here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_FsVflvmCI

I love that he stepped outside the studio for smoking up. :) What a weird loving stunt, though.

Smirr fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Oct 26, 2012

lynch_69
Jan 21, 2001


Here's the Youtube video of an inebriated Meatloaf singing to an uncomfortable robot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGis-yf9gBM

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

massey ferguson posted:

This is the last post I'll make about this cos i hate these lovely derails, but do you honestly think that some people with body dysmorphia wouldn't benefit from therapy to make themselves feel more comfortable with their own bodies? Changing your sex if you chose to do so will be the biggest decision in your life (not to mention the most irreversible one) so why not explore every avenue available before making the decision.
And yes this means i believe in Gay conversion therapy psuedoscience well done to that poster :rolleyes:



People who get sex changes have to get a psychologist's referral you ignorant rear end.

EDIT: This is also in the UK, I'm pretty sure other countries with socialized medicine.

Here are some images from the 2012 Ugandan Pride Parade.


Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020


This is a classic false dilemma. Why can't I have toilet paper that is both ultra strong and ultra soft? :rant:

Kieselguhr Kid
May 16, 2010

WHY USE ONE WORD WHEN SIX FUCKING PARAGRAPHS WILL DO?

(If this post doesn't passive-aggressively lash out at one of the women in Auspol please send the police to do a welfare check.)

Armyman25 posted:

I dunno, I thought [Black Hitler] was pretty chill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTY-PM4q10

Perfect excuse: The Black Gestapo trailer

TinTower posted:

Careful. You're veering close to "feminists would get more victories if they weren't so strident" territory. (I was at a talk a few months ago which touched upon stuff like this while discussing New Atheism's conscious parallels with feminism)

What does this mean? Because if by 'strident' we mean things like a blubbering, drunken Hitchens abusing religious people for their irrational stupidity (why else wouldn't they support wide-scale invasion of the Middle East?) then it's pretty hard for me to play this 'oh, a tone argument! Just like we righteous social justice types have always been shut down with!'

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Pththya-lyi posted:



This is a classic false dilemma. Why can't I have toilet paper that is both ultra strong and ultra soft? :rant:

What if I want neither? Charmin leaves fibers down there. Me no likey. I'm a Scott Tissue Voter!

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Svaha
Oct 4, 2005

prefect posted:

She recently gave a big speech, and it sounds like she's pretty happy these days, which is a nice thing.


Laura Jane Grace, formerly Tom Gabel.
Here's That Lana Wachowski speech if anyone's interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crHHycz7T_c

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