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BlueArmyMan posted:On the subject of Shawn Michaels, I was wondering earlier, has he ever done a tour of Japan and/or Mexico, outside of WWE? Seems like 90% of wrestlers have, especially of his generation. AFAIK the closest he came was reffing a match in FMW back in 1999. The story behind that (going by BAHU who's about the best source of FMW stuff you'll ever get) is that WWF and FMW had a relationship for a while via IWA owner Victor Quinones; Shamrock and Vader worked a match in FMW in '97. They were looking for something big for their Yokohama Arena show and originally Dr. Death was supposed to work the show for them but pulled out because of loyalty to Baba. Supposedly that's what led to him getting fired. So they got Michaels to ref the H vs. Hayabusa II (Mr. Gannosuke) match and worked out a deal with him that in return a couple of Michaels' students like Danielson, Cade, and Michael Shane did some stuff with FMW afterwards.
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UndergroundHero posted:I know it's Wrestlezone, and not sure how much you can trust Kevin Kelly, but strangely enough he talked about this today. http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/263079-ryback-vs-cm-punk-thoughts I'm skeptical Austin would use HBK as a proxy to speak to anyone. Also comparing Ryback to Mick Foley in any conceivable way offends me. 
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Timby posted:That's probably for the better, honestly. After the I Quit match at the Royal Rumble, and the Last Man Standing match at St. Valentine's Day Massacre (where he dislocated his shoulder), plus his lingering knee injuries which were long overdue for surgery, he wouldn't have added anything to the match -- given that he could barely walk during his match with Big Show at WrestleMania, he probably would have detracted from the main event, if anything. I mean, Foley was in bad shape at that point ... I'm not even sure he took any time off after getting beaten to hell and back at King of the Ring '98. The Big Show match at Mania is terrible, but Foley takes that same sick "I am hanging onto a giant dude's back, oh poo poo he's jumping back on top of me" bump he did with Vader and it's horrifying looking. Also, the sad image of Mick gamely trying to get to the ring to ref the last bit of the Rock-Austin match.
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What is the deal with Ryback's fake pyro?
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TheOneTrueKing posted:What is the deal with Ryback's fake pyro? Fake pyro? It's just a boom with no flash.
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Quantrill posted:just a boom with no flash. Ryback in a nutshell.
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Anyone seen Takeshi Miike's first movie? It's called A Human Murder Weapon, and it stars Megumi Kudo, Onita, and Combat Toyoda of FMW fame? I can't find it anywhere.
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God Of Paradise posted:Anyone seen Takeshi Miike's first movie? It's called A Human Murder Weapon, and it stars Megumi Kudo, Onita, and Combat Toyoda of FMW fame? I can't find it anywhere. If Onita doesn't take a flip bump onto exploding barbed wire, it's not worth it.
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God Of Paradise posted:Anyone seen Takeshi Miike's first movie? It's called A Human Murder Weapon, and it stars Megumi Kudo, Onita, and Combat Toyoda of FMW fame? I can't find it anywhere. I have a bootleg VCD of this with no subs. I can look at it and pretend I understand Japanese, if that's cool.
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Oct 28, 2012 14:56
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Okay, so for years I've been watching wrestling off and on for extended periods of time, depending on where I lived and if I had a TV channel with wrestling available. Over the last two years, I got back into it, had a lot of catching up to do since 2001 - I didn't even watch the Invasion angle, now I watch enough to know what's going on. So, I'm just looking for matches that are worth watching - suggestions and/or links are welcomed.
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Oct 28, 2012 15:20
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Watch The Undertaker's WrestleMania matches from 25, 26, 27 and 28. They are all on Netflix Instant right now with 'Undertaker: The Streak'.
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I don't have Netflix, I'm in Croatia. Taker's WM matches, that much I do know and have seen them, but thanks. I'm looking for great, but not so well known matches. Example: Edge VS Eddie Guerrero, ladder match, SmackDown, 2002.
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Rad R. posted:I don't have Netflix, I'm in Croatia. Taker's WM matches, that much I do know and have seen them, but thanks. I'm looking for great, but not so well known matches. Example: Edge VS Eddie Guerrero, ladder match, SmackDown, 2002. You may find this list helpful - http://floydscabana.blogspot.ca/2010/09/pwt-top-100-matches-of-decade-2000-2009.html Should be able to find most of them on Youtube or Dailymotion.
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Cavauro posted:Watch The Undertaker's WrestleMania matches from 25, 26, 27 and 28. They are all on Netflix Instant right now with 'Undertaker: The Streak'. Do they have the full matches? I assumed they just had the docs.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Do they have the full matches? I assumed they just had the docs. They have both! It is a season with 21 episodes comprising all the matches and the DVD content.
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Yeah pretty much every Undertaker Wrestlemania match from 25 onwards is a classic. In that same spirit of must-see Wrestlemania matches, Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle from Wrestlemania 21 and Michaels vs. Flair from 24 are both virtually flawless matches.
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What's the origin of or meaning behind Cliff Compton's "Mr. 1859" nickname?
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I'm wondering how much exaggeration goes on with wrestlers heights and weights. It seems the bigger they are, the more exaggeration there is. I ask because WWE.com has Giant Gonzales height listed in their superstars section as 8-foot.
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Thauros posted:What's the origin of or meaning behind Cliff Compton's "Mr. 1859" nickname? He was on episode 18 and episode 59 of Colt Cabana's podcast.
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I posted:I'm wondering how much exaggeration goes on with wrestlers heights and weights. It seems the bigger they are, the more exaggeration there is. Gonzalez was legit about 7'5, but that period in wrestling was a lot more exaggerated than it is today. Nowadays it's usually just a couple inches tacked on and 10-20 pounds added. That's what I think anyway, I'm probably way off.
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Aubergine Mage posted:Gonzalez was legit about 7'5, but that period in wrestling was a lot more exaggerated than it is today. Nowadays it's usually just a couple inches tacked on and 10-20 pounds added. There are less "Giants" today, so the exaggeration (apart from weight where there is an arbitrary minimum no one is below) is slightly less.
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Aubergine Mage posted:Gonzalez was legit about 7'5, but that period in wrestling was a lot more exaggerated than it is today. Nowadays it's usually just a couple inches tacked on and 10-20 pounds added.
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Aerial Tollhouse posted:He was legitimately 7'7" (source) Ah, gotcha. I'd heard both but 7'5 sounded more plausible for some reason
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Perry Normal posted:You may find this list helpful - http://floydscabana.blogspot.ca/2010/09/pwt-top-100-matches-of-decade-2000-2009.html Thank you kind sir! Awesome list.
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Cardboard Box posted:Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle from Wrestlemania 21 and Michaels vs. Flair from 24 are both virtually flawless matches. I can see your point on HBK-Angle, but I can't bring myself to agree regarding HBK-Flair. I think it was a good match, but hardly 'virtually flawless' - Flair almost botching bridging out of the pin attempt in itself disqualifies it from that classification, IMO.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. It's still tremendous, though.
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Perry Normal posted:You may find this list helpful - http://floydscabana.blogspot.ca/2010/09/pwt-top-100-matches-of-decade-2000-2009.html That list just makes me irrationally angry because it reminds me that Meltzer only gave HHH/Cactus Jack ****1/2. Which I call shenanigans all over.
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iirc Shawn botches a moonsault right out the gate and broke a couple ribs too The storytelling is pretty much perfect though and that's what actually matters oatgan fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Oct 29, 2012 |
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Granted, I did see some of the matches on that list, and those that I did see are personal favorites. The TLC matches, Jericho VS HBK at WM19, Austin VS The Rock at WM17, the Edge/Eddie match I previously mentioned, and a couple of others. Recently, I've enjoyed Cena VS Punk at MITB 2011, Punk VS Cena at NOC 2012, Lesnar's two recent matches were good, and I loved Undertaker VS HHH at this years Mania, which was a pleasant surprise, because I expected a slow, tired match.
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VogeGandire posted:That list just makes me irrationally angry because it reminds me that Meltzer only gave HHH/Cactus Jack ****1/2. That is a very, very good rating. It's also a subjective list.
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I posted:I'm wondering how much exaggeration goes on with wrestlers heights and weights. It seems the bigger they are, the more exaggeration there is. The thing is, as long as you are exaggerating one guys height, you have to exaggerate everyones height. Because if you claim that your 6 foot tall champion is 6'4" and then you hire a guy who is legit 6'4", you have to either bill him as 6'8" or try to persuade the crowd that the champ is perpetually just slightly further away than he appears. I've seen an indie fed that was really bad for it. Their champion/booker at the time was billed as being about 6'4", then they hired a friend of mine who was in real life 6'6", and yet he was a 6 inches taller than the champion (who was wearing 2" lifts in his boots apparently). You can get away with adding an inch or so and rounding weights up, but after a certain point it just makes you look really insecure.
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My god, he just fell off the stage! That's a 15 foot high drop King! *EMTs walk by and their head reaches the top of the stage*
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SiKboy posted:The thing is, as long as you are exaggerating one guys height, you have to exaggerate everyones height. Because if you claim that your 6 foot tall champion is 6'4" and then you hire a guy who is legit 6'4", you have to either bill him as 6'8" or try to persuade the crowd that the champ is perpetually just slightly further away than he appears. On the most recent Smackdown, during the Barrett/Orton match, the commentators mentioned that Wade Barrett is 6'7", but he's visibly around the same height as Orton, who is billed at 6'4". triplexpac posted:My god, he just fell off the stage! That's a 15 foot high drop King! THAT'S GOTTA BE A 30 FOOT LADDER *the ladder is maybe two times the height of the wrestlers*
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Oatgan posted:iirc Shawn botches a moonsault right out the gate and broke a couple ribs too But how many flippies did they do?
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SiKboy posted:You can get away with adding an inch or so and rounding weights up, but after a certain point it just makes you look really insecure. So Andre the Giant didn't weigh three and a half tons when Hogan bodyslammed him to death in front of the entire population of the Milky Way? 
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So Andre the Giant didn't weigh three and a half tons when Hogan bodyslammed him to death in front of the entire population of the Milky Way? I like to think that with Andre they rounded down. He only LOOKS 7 feet tall because his incredible gravitational field bent the light around him. His singlet was actually white but looked black because it was within his event horizon and no light could escape it.
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Andre had a gargantuan skull and hands, if you stood him next to a guy of comparable height but normal proportions like Big Show, Andre would still look more like a giant.
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Did anyone else use Michelle McCool's "You're Not Enough For Me" theme song? Talk of Diva themes in the WWE thread made me think of that one. Team LayCool using it was the best, but it was and odd fit for when McCool was a face before that.
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triplexpac posted:Did anyone else use Michelle McCool's "You're Not Enough For Me" theme song? Talk of Diva themes in the WWE thread made me think of that one. Team LayCool using it was the best, but it was and odd fit for when McCool was a face before that. I just find weird that almost all the diva themes with lyrics have to do with having boyfriends or something. Like the the only diva theme i can think of that isn't about Being Insatiable and needing more Boyfriends or something similar is like Trish's.
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triplexpac posted:Did anyone else use Michelle McCool's "You're Not Enough For Me" theme song? Talk of Diva themes in the WWE thread made me think of that one. Team LayCool using it was the best, but it was and odd fit for when McCool was a face before that. It was Torrie Wilson's before Michelle had it, but I don't think anyone's had it since (unless you count Layla briefly using it when she returned, before being given Tiffany's old theme).
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