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No poo poo, I don't torque much, I'm lazy, but a flywheel? Better get that one loving right.
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I torque anything to do with load bearing engine bits and wheels. Everything else I can usually get away with Gutentight.
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Oct 25, 2012 01:09
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Agreed. Anything holding bearings together (bearing caps), setting bearing preload (axleshafts, spindle nuts, pinion nuts, etc), or holding really important stuff on (flywheels, pressure plates, bellhousings, head bolts, valve rockers) gets torqued, anything I'm afraid I will break if I overdo it gets torqued. Anything else? Gutentight. It really annoys me when I go to install something that needs to be torqued properly but there's no space for a torque wrench.
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Oct 25, 2012 05:13
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Someone post the torque guide for air tools again.
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Oct 25, 2012 05:47
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I blasted the Volvo's flywheel on so
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Oct 25, 2012 07:03
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Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:I blasted the Volvo's flywheel on so On the other end of the scale, there's a new guy at my shop who torques drain plugs. Like, he has a dedicated 3/8s torque wrench just for the purpose.
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Oct 25, 2012 12:01
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We needed a torque wrench for Casnorf's 944 oil drain plug. IIRC, according to the shop book the motherfucker goes on at something stupid like 145nm, which is way way past Gutentight. v v
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Oct 25, 2012 13:07
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Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:I blasted the Volvo's flywheel on so My RS has had its flywheel impacted on every time. Whoopsie
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Oct 25, 2012 13:24
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Fucknag posted:On the other end of the scale, there's a new guy at my shop who torques drain plugs. Like, he has a dedicated 3/8s torque wrench just for the purpose. I also torque brake caliper mounting bolts.
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Oct 25, 2012 13:33
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Fucknag posted:On the other end of the scale, there's a new guy at my shop who torques drain plugs. Like, he has a dedicated 3/8s torque wrench just for the purpose. Splizwarf posted:We needed a torque wrench for Casnorf's 944 oil drain plug. IIRC, according to the shop book the motherfucker goes on at something stupid like 145nm, which is way way past Gutentight. v sharkytm posted:I'd rather that than him using an impact and stripping it. Although I've never stripped a drain plug, I've seen the results of what happens when "professionals" do. My girl's F22A1 Accord springs to mind. I had to pull the plug and file the mating surface down just to get a new one to seat. Another example, All four bash plate bolts on my hilux were stripped out by quick lube guys, under the care of a previous owner. Massively oversized self tapping plugs exist for a reason. It may seem illogical, but aluminum oil pans, such as those on 944s or my E30, generally have many times the threads that sheet steel pans do and therefore can take far more torque. Sharky : Caliper guides or mounting brackets? I can understand torquing caliper guides properly, as they have a tendency to break, but mounting brackets always get loc-tited and cranked down for me. Being cast iron into cast iron with huge bolts, there isn't much worry there.
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Oct 25, 2012 13:57
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revmoo posted:Someone post the torque guide for air tools again. HOW TO TORQUE WITH AN IMPACT WRENCH 25 to 35 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! 35 to 45 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! 45 to 60 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! 60 to 75 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! 75 to 90 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! 90 to 100 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! 110 to 300 ft/lbs BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP!
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Oct 25, 2012 14:40
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ACEofsnett posted:Although I've never stripped a drain plug, I've seen the results of what happens when "professionals" do. My girl's F22A1 Accord springs to mind. I had to pull the plug and file the mating surface down just to get a new one to seat. Another example, All four bash plate bolts on my hilux were stripped out by quick lube guys, under the care of a previous owner. Massively oversized self tapping plugs exist for a reason. Guides mainly, but some caliper mounts need care. Hondas come to mind.
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Oct 25, 2012 15:05
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One of these poorly cellphone photographed oil pump drive gears is not like the other ...
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Oct 25, 2012 15:12
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I almost missed that one too.
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Oct 25, 2012 17:22
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Splizwarf posted:We needed a torque wrench for Casnorf's 944 oil drain plug. IIRC, according to the shop book the motherfucker goes on at something stupid like 145nm, which is way way past Gutentight. v 145nm is a grunt plus an "UNNGH".  It's on the redneck torque scale
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Oct 25, 2012 21:19
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Motronic posted:HOW TO TORQUE WITH AN IMPACT WRENCH Get a friend that weighs 160lbs & have him stand about 1' down the handle Gutenuf
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Oct 26, 2012 01:37
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I have never torqued a flywheel. Both flexplates and flywheels received the impact, in a staggered pattern, not a radial one. Now clutches themselves? That is another story. Especially the kind that use longer or specially shouldered bolts, or the kind with cast covers, as opposed to those with short bolts clamping down the edges of a hydroformed sheet steel cover.
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Oct 26, 2012 05:43
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Fucknag posted:On the other end of the scale, there's a new guy at my shop who torques drain plugs. Like, he has a dedicated 3/8s torque wrench just for the purpose. I hate to say it, but this is the kind of guy people want wrenching on their cars. I just blew a lot of money because some jackass stripped my car's knuckles (both of them), and cobbled it together in a half assed manner resulting in one of them cracking.
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Oct 26, 2012 06:37
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I am not pedantic enough to torque most bolts, but flywheel bolts are on the "torque it" list.
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Oct 26, 2012 07:49
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"Psssh naw I'm not going to torque the bolts to the valve body on my transmission. Too much  "~~three days pass~~ "Guys, why doesn't my Explorer shift from 2-3 now HALP!"
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Oct 26, 2012 17:11
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Savington posted:I am not pedantic enough to torque most bolts, but flywheel bolts are on the "torque it" list. peremptive edit: yes. 
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Oct 26, 2012 17:35
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Geirskogul posted:"Psssh naw I'm not going to torque the bolts to the valve body on my transmission. Too much I have a 3/8" inch pound snapon torque wrench just for this process. You cannot build transmissions without them. like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNAP-ON-QC2R200-TORQUE-WRENCH-40-200-IN-LB-DRIVE-3-8-/300788991902 I still need to pick up a dial type in a low inch pound range for setting pinion rotation bearing preload. I used to borrow one at the shop. I haven't set up a rearend since because I don't have one.
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Oct 26, 2012 17:51
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Honda D16A6 out of my 91 Civic SI, it ran for a few weeks like this! 
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Oct 28, 2012 01:44
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What the gently caress did you do to that thing? Overheat the piss out of it?
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Oct 28, 2012 06:32
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some texas redneck posted:What the gently caress did you do to that thing? Overheat the piss out of it? Yes! I bought the car from a friend and fellow goon, he turbocharged it and took it to a track event that we attended. The car dumped the entire contents of the cooling system during that Saturday and still managed to survive for quite a while afterwards. I bought it from him and drove it as a DD for about six months before it was completely unable to get me to work and back. I sold it to another goon friend who took it apart and discovered this. The last month of this poor little engines life was spent doing rolling starts because the flywheel was hosed, as well as filling up the radiator every time I got in the car. Apparently the block is fine and after a rebuild should be good to go for a while. Honda makes pretty stout motors. Piston and rod came from this:  Edit: here is a classic mechanical failure that is not my own picture. 
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Oct 28, 2012 21:34
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 How much of this were you aware of while it was happening?
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Oct 29, 2012 00:51
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B4Ctom1 posted:I have a 3/8" inch pound snapon torque wrench just for this process. You cannot build transmissions without them. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I have a wonderfully durable Husky set that I bought a few years ago that has an 18" breaker bar (and my 1/2" drive socket wrenches).
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Oct 29, 2012 00:55
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1/2" drive torque wrenches only go down to ~20-30lb-ft. 3/8" torque wrenches usually operate up to about 200 (+ or -) INCH pounds, which is less than 20lb-ft. When you're working with small bolts and aluminium casings, it's best to be precise.
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Oct 29, 2012 17:18
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Sockington posted:1/2" drive torque wrenches only go down to ~20-30lb-ft. Got your drive sizes mixed up a bit? My 1/4" Snapon torque wrench does 0-200 in-lbs, 3/8" does 15-100 ft-lbs and the 1/2" does 50-250 ft-lbs. On the note of aluminum parts needing exact torque, I have seen many cam seizures in four stroke MX engines because the owner didn't heed the graduated torquing sequence to 86 in-lbs.
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Oct 29, 2012 19:30
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Silly Canadian trying to use Imperial measurements 
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Oct 29, 2012 19:36
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DefaultPeanut posted:Got your drive sizes mixed up a bit? Nope. My Mastercraft Maximum 3/8 only measures in inch pounds. 30-250 inch pounds. Part number 58-8557 for regular, 58-8561 for the maximum one. Silly fuckheads thinking they know better. 
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Oct 29, 2012 19:45
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That's...odd. Why would you need a wrench that big for such a small amount of torque? Side note: I'll stop (jokingly) referring to your nationality, if you quit being a defensive, namecalling bitch.
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Oct 29, 2012 20:00
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I still get mad about Boeing/Spirit calling out all their dimensions in inches sometimes. It's 2012 god damnit use the metric system 
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Oct 29, 2012 20:50
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I wish mom and dad would stop yelling! I have a couple 3/8 torque wrenches and one's a low in/lb range, one's a high ft/lb range, and one's a piece of poo poo (but used to be an all-arounder). You can buy them to different specs, and different manufacturers will have different divisional breakdowns. Yeesh. P.S. gently caress the metric system, Europe already gave us one hand-me-down and we're not done wearing it, okay? It's not our fault that they can't take proper care of their International Kilogram Prototype. Splizwarf fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Oct 29, 2012 |
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Oct 29, 2012 20:58
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rscott posted:I still get mad about Boeing/Spirit calling out all their dimensions in inches sometimes. It's 2012 god damnit use the metric system Looks like you have to deal with the fact that the best aircraft in the world are made in a country that uses inches. 
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Oct 29, 2012 20:59
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rscott posted:I still get mad about Boeing/Spirit calling out all their dimensions in inches sometimes. It's 2012 god damnit use the metric system It's great to know that Boeing made its foreign partners on the 787 design everything in inches too.
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Oct 29, 2012 21:39
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Bucephalus posted:quit being a defensive, namecalling bitch. Okay, that was unnecessary. Here's the deal: Sockington posted:3/8" torque wrenches usually operate up to about 200 (+ or -) INCH pounds, which is less than 20lb-ft. Sockington posted:Nope. My Mastercraft Maximum 3/8 only measures in inch pounds. 30-250 inch pounds. Part number 58-8557 for regular, 58-8561 for the maximum one. A sample size of (1), with that (1) being the house brand of a loving tire store, does not constitute "usually". Sockington posted:When you're working with small bolts and aluminium casings, it's best to be precise. I don't know what's in a Mastercraft 3/8" drive socket set, but none of my sets include things like 1/4" and 6mm. That's what 1/4" drive is for. You run less chance of destroying small bolts and weak threads if you don't use a giant fuckoff boat anchor wrench to tighten them. A 3/8" drive in/lb torque wrench makes no sense, it's like swatting flies with a bazooka. Dagen H fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Oct 29, 2012 |
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Oct 29, 2012 22:15
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rscott posted:I still get mad about Boeing/Spirit calling out all their dimensions in inches sometimes. It's 2012 god damnit use the metric system To be honest, it's not the use of imperial or metric that bothers me, it's when they use one system to denote something that is blatantly sized in the other, like [25,40 +/- 0,25] or [.394" +/- .002"]. Also, if you dimension a UNJF thread in millimeters you deserve a slap.
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Oct 29, 2012 22:23
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Canadian Tire is not really a tire store so much as it is a collision between a Harbour Freight, 3/4 of a Pep Boys, a Sears tool department, a hunting shop, a Target housewares department, a Walmart tire department and whichever half of a Home Depot you don't need anything from at the moment. Your success in finding anything is directly proportional to how much time you invest in finding it. Their tire selection is utterly poo poo but their in house tool brands ("Mastercraft") are usually quite good (with many exceptions once you start going down the scale of tool quality). It has its own fiat currency printed by the same supplier as our Mint.  All my torque wrenches are 1/2" so unfortunately I can't really help in this discussion but figured I would chip in. FWIW my 3/8" socket set from Canadian Tire doesn't go below 10mm, but it also came with a free hammer so the quality is suspect. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Oct 29, 2012 |
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My 3/8"/1/2" mastercraft set goes down to 6mm but didn't come with a 1/4" drive ratchet, just a reducer to put em on the 3/8". Canadian tire is nice, but I find I can get 90% of the quality at 50% of the price from princess auto. Almost my entire collection of hand tools is from there and I've only issue I've had is a powerfirst torque wrench exploding into bits when used at it's maximum setting. Their gearwrenches have taken an absolutely ridiculous amount of abuse and not failed, I've had my 32mm wrench hooked on and still not sheared the teeth. I still stick to canadian tire for powertools because they love to mark poo poo down by 66%. Electric impact + full socket set for 100 bucks? Hell yeah. InitialDave posted:I got used to it pretty quickly. It's not just them, the whole industry is like that. Try being an engineer for a metric company using a worldwide ISO titleblock with a plant in canada. I do that poo poo all the time thanks to imperial stock being 1/4 the price of metric 
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