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VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
I'm going to guess they're considering two-parent homes versus single-parent homes, which are riskier for a lot of reasons not directly related to sexual orientation.

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Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

Pththya-lyi posted:

And it's insulting to people like me (a lady) and my fiance (a dude) who may never choose to have children! Guess we might not have a real marriage after all! :razz:
A while ago a guy named Robert George did an interminably long article where he just completely tied himself in knots trying to argue that all opposite-sex couples' marriages are valid and all same-sex marriages are invalid because of something about the opposite-sex couples following the natural order even if they don't actually procreate. Rob Tisinai wrote a lengthy rebuttal where he tried to analyze George's argument and came to the conclusion that the argument basically amounted to "marriages need a penis going into a vagina because of reasons."

Gourd of Taste
Sep 11, 2006

by Ralp

VideoTapir posted:

I'm going to guess they're considering two-parent homes versus single-parent homes, which are riskier for a lot of reasons not directly related to sexual orientation.

This is exactly what it is. I can't find the article offhand but if it's the study I'm thinking of it doesn't touch on same sex parents at all, it's saying that two parents that mostly get along are better and more stable for the kid than one parent or parents that are constantly fighting.

Lee Harvey Oswald
Mar 17, 2007

by exmarx
I'm getting really goddamn tired of the idiocy in the South.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/27/Many-shouldnt-be-casting-st-letters-to-the-editors/?opinionletters

quote:

Voting for Obama doesn't please God

Christians should vote. The choice is between a bad person with some principles (Mitt Romney) and an evil person with no principles (President Obama).

Obama supports taxpayer funding of abortion all nine months, supports same-sex marriage, and is disrespectful to, and unwilling to stand with, Israel. Historian David Barton, who has studied all the past presidents, said, "The hostility of President Obama toward biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president!"

Christians vote for the candidate most pleasing to God who will cause God to send the least judgment upon our country. God will hold all Americans accountable for the evil actions of our political leaders. When President Obama said our policy is to divide Jerusalem, seven hours later the city of Joplin, Mo., was destroyed by a tornado. When President Obama declared June "Homosexual Pride Month," a drought started resulting in the highest price for corn and soybeans in history.

President Obama said when he didn't know he was being recorded he would "have more flexibility" after the election. There's reason to believe Obama will do even greater evil after the election!

Voting our Christian faith, convictions and principles is our duty to God and can save lives!

DANIEL D. NAVE, Elizabethton, Tenn.

Man, God's a dick.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

There's this right-wing rear end in a top hat who posts on Metafilter sometimes despite the fact that nobody likes her, and in a thread about abortion, people pointed out over and over that outlawing abortion doesn't eliminate it but only makes it more damaging to society. Finally she admitted that she doesn't care about the consequences, but instead believes that God will judge America for not having a law banning abortion and that we will be punished with natural disasters and poo poo for it.

There's a kind of right-wing Christian who is completely disconnected from reality and they're scary, sad people.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

He's got a point, I remember how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah by raising the prices of corn and soybean to record heights!

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Nenonen posted:

He's got a point, I remember how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah by raising the prices of corn and soybean to record heights!

Free market v. free will, I guess? Or something.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

The best part is the citation of David Barton as a "historian."

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
Local man wants to return the vote to landowners. God, I hate this state.

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

Kro-Bar posted:

Local man wants to return the vote to landowners. God, I hate this state.



Paid for by the blood of servicemen... Many of whom wouldn't have the right to vote under this requirement.

(And I wonder what he'd have to say about wealthy urbanites who pay plenty of taxes but *rent* their magnificent apartments.)

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

Kro-Bar posted:

Local man wants to return the vote to landowners. God, I hate this state.


I like how he pretends moneyed landowners didn't blatantly vote for their own interests over the common good, and pretends that owning land is still in some way relevant to a person's actual responsibility as a citizen or something.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!
And of course it becomes far easier to oppress a group that doesn't have any voting rights. Stripping felons of the right to vote is bad enough as it is.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Kro-Bar posted:

Local man wants to return the vote to landowners. God, I hate this state.


Voting is a privilege, not a right, apparently. Didn't know that.

The Read Menace
Apr 4, 2003

As if voting turnout wasn't low enough already.

On that note, does anyone have a good resource breaking down voting statistics by race, income level, age or anything like that? I can only find a total voter turnout %.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Durgoc posted:

As if voting turnout wasn't low enough already.

On that note, does anyone have a good resource breaking down voting statistics by race, income level, age or anything like that? I can only find a total voter turnout %.

Here's a breakdown of voter registration and turnout by age, gender and race. From US Census Bureau

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

Kro-Bar posted:

Local man wants to return the vote to landowners. God, I hate this state.



Right, reserving voting rights for white men who owned property was meant as an incentive to save, work, acquire property, and build a nation." It totally wasn't about keeping the wrong people from being able to vote and screwing things up from wealthy patrician white men.

The best part is the conspicuous lack of the 15th Amendment being mentioned...oh wait, he mentioned people on welfare, never mind. Dog whistling motherfucker.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Durgoc posted:

As if voting turnout wasn't low enough already.


Voter turnout will not be low enough until only executives of extractive industries are voting.



And since when are people who pay rent not paying property taxes?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

VideoTapir posted:

And since when are people who pay rent not paying property taxes?

It doesn't count because it doesn't show up on your 1040, duh!

Borneo Jimmy
Feb 27, 2007

by Smythe

quote:

Both major political parties profess great concern for our children and grandchildren. How concerned are they, really? Conservatives stand on "no new taxes" and liberals counter with "no spending reductions." Unfortunately, the truth is we have promised ourselves more than we can deliver. Our government has continued (and accelerated) its deficit spending. Do we really comprehend the nature and scope of these deficits?

The projected federal deficit for 2012 is $1.2 trillion. Let's put that big number in perspective with a paradigm shift. The IDS Center in downtown Minneapolis has an assessed value of $177.6 million. Therefore, the Treasury must borrow additional funds this year equal to what would be necessary to purchase 6,756 IDS Centers. That is the value of 134 such buildings in each of the 50 states. That is in just one year.

Since Americans cannot fathom paying for their own lives and indulgences, we need to change the paradigm, so that instead of vague references to an incomprehensible trillion-dollar annual federal deficit, Minnesotans see their children being buried each year under another 134 IDS Centers. This is no longer a debate. It is a financial and moral disaster.

Yes, this metaphor is much more comprehensible.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Borneo Jimmy posted:

Yes, this metaphor is much more comprehensible.

I prefer, if you had one dollar for every dollar in the national debt, you'd have 1.3 trillion dollars.

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I prefer, if you had one dollar for every dollar in the national debt, you'd have 1.3 trillion dollars.

Hey, kids: if you took the annual budget of profligate spender and general all-around socialist Barack the Islamic Shock in dollar bills and put them end to end, it would be equal to the distance of 263 round trips to the moon!

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

Borneo Jimmy posted:

Yes, this metaphor is much more comprehensible.

I'm continually annoyed and confused by the need for the media and people in general to quantify measurements, numbers, etc. in odd terms, as if the public was completely retarded and couldn't understand quantities like billions of miles and trillions of dollars. Why do we need to turn the precise distance between the Earth and the moon into an analogy about how many Snicker's bars that would fit in that same distance if laid end to end? Why do we need to measure the national debt in terms of the number of stadiums it could buy unless we're seriously thinking of spending money on more stadiums?

It's fine if you're using these analogies because they're actually useful, like making serious spending alternatives for our tax dollars (e.g. determining the # of new Pell grants we could give out if we cut certain national defense expenditures), but in other cases people are just being moronic.

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.

Bruce Leroy posted:

I'm continually annoyed and confused by the need for the media and people in general to quantify measurements, numbers, etc. in odd terms, as if the public was completely retarded and couldn't understand quantities like billions of miles and trillions of dollars.

We are completely retarded when it comes to quantifying large numbers. We can't count to a million. Forget about imagining what a billion of anything would look like from a gut level with any accuracy. The implication of numbers that large are simply beyond us without significant education, and even then there are limits to our number sense. Dollars to the moon and back is still idiotic though. It's not useful in any way.

Krabsworth
Feb 20, 2011

by T. Mascis
Well now, this is a take I'm not used to...

my local newspaper comments posted:

Seriously this is what gets you people all worked up a story about Tick or Treating , does hatred or blind love for a politician blind you to real issues? The 16 trillion plus debt neither party has a solution for but contributes to, Benghazi and the lies and cover up, Fast and Furious, Paul Ryan’s proposed budget with a 1.2 Trillion dollar deficit, high unemployment, high energy prices, growing government, loss of freedoms, Iran, Syria, China, proposed tax increases, slow growing economy, I can go on with much more important things but let’s focus on trick or treating. Let’s all stand by and continue to give power to a government that is out for itself and drags a few along for the ride that get fooled into thinking it does them good. It will not change with these parties not until we hit rock bottom will people wake up, so for that reason I am going to vote for Obama since he will drive us off the cliff faster than Romney.

A new take on "acceleration bullshit," indeed...

e: oh the article was about Paul Ryan trick-or-treating in his/my hometown, that's why that is mentioned

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.
No, but that kind of useless analogy seems to be the go-to.

I recall a similar one showing bales of $1 bills, on pallets to show how much money Wall Street had or something.

Frankly, I think a much more useful metric would be... how many students could you send to Harvard, full-ride for 4 years, for the price of a single F-22 Raptor?

720+.

Somehow those kinds of comparisons never get out. I wonder why.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
Obama will accelerate the general trend towards socialism that we've been seeing over the last five decades, sure.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

VideoTapir posted:

Obama will accelerate the general trend towards socialism that we've been seeing over the last five decades, sure.

Well I mean any number times 0 is still zero so yea, gently caress it, Obama's gonna go five times as hard on his path to full socialism!

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001

Walter posted:

No, but that kind of useless analogy seems to be the go-to.

I recall a similar one showing bales of $1 bills, on pallets to show how much money Wall Street had or something.

Frankly, I think a much more useful metric would be... how many students could you send to Harvard, full-ride for 4 years, for the price of a single F-22 Raptor?

720+.

Somehow those kinds of comparisons never get out. I wonder why.

I love this example to explain the difference between a million and a billion. Lots of people figure they aren't that different; hey, there's lots of billionaires, how far off can it be?

One million seconds take around 11 days to elapse.
One billion seconds take around 33 years.
Hell, throw in a trillion. 33,000 years.

I'd wager that if you asked people how many seconds there are in a typical lifetime, they'd think it was some inconceivable number. Nope, just a bit over two billion.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



The editorial page today was particularly full of stupid tidbits and outlandish stuff. It's usually just a generic march of "WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT FREE STUFF" and Rush Limbaugh talking points but sometimes we get something particularly ridiculous.

quote:

Honoring Lincoln insults the Confederacy

Editor, Times-Dispatch:
It is appalling that in Richmond, Va., we are honoring and paying tribute to Abraham Lincoln.
Where else is this done for a former enemy? How outrageous that the movie “Lincoln” was filmed not in his home state of Illinois or in Washington, but here in the capital of the Confederacy. And to compound such inappropriateness, your newspaper holds a Public Square event about it!
Would a tribute to Gen. Robert E. Lee or President Jeff Davis ever be allowed outside of the former Confederate States? It’s doubtful, as our history has largely been rewritten in recent years and we struggle against great opposition to express our heritage – even here.
Elizabeth M. Finch. North Chesterfield.

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.
I really want someone to ask Mrs. Finch why she and others like her can't just assimilate and just be American like everyone else.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Oh, Richmond, how the north of Virginia wants to be rid of you and your antics :allears:

constantIllusion
Feb 16, 2010

Fandyien posted:

The editorial page today was particularly full of stupid tidbits and outlandish stuff. It's usually just a generic march of "WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT FREE STUFF" and Rush Limbaugh talking points but sometimes we get something particularly ridiculous.

Yes we should honor a "country" whose only existence was due to an act of treason against the rest of the United States :allears:.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



The best part about those letters is they always - always - come from the counties, because Richmond itself is like 70% black. All these degenerates up in arms about the honor of a city they won't even live in because of :siren: HOLDER'S PEOPLE :siren:.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Here you go guys, fresh meat. Feed, feed. It's from 11/12.

quote:

Election was a nightmare

To the Times:

This election is proof positive that Americans have lost their ability to think as individuals. It has become a nation of gullible sheep who follow a leader who is in sheep’s clothing. From the first big lie where we were told that Obamacare would not cover illegals and it does; through a series of misrepresentations too numerous to mention; to the most recent outrage of Benghazi, where four innocent Americans were murdered on Sept. 11, 2012.

In this latest incident most of the news outlets refused to tell the unvarnished truth of the attack in an effort to protect the election of a president who has done nothing to strengthen our country. Did the people look for the truth? No! Nothing in our educational system teaches them how think for themselves.

Instead, they blindly followed the story about an obscure video, which the president blamed for the incident, when the truth is that the video had nothing to do with the attack. These brave Americans did not have to die. It was their misfortune to be in the service of a president who did not value their lives.

Compounding the problem, news outlets ran with the story about the video instead of looking for the truth.

There was a time in the past when the news media tried to out scoop one another with a scandalous report. Now they hide the truth and peddle their political pandering to the public. In my humble opinion, they are complicit and should be considered “accessories after the fact” for covering up this heinous crime against America.

The really sad part of all of this is the election was won by attack ads that displayed the most unsavory method of political tripe. And gullible Americans became a party to the dirty politics by not looking for the truth. Our Founding Fathers gave their fortunes and their lives in the battle for a free America and this year America gave up their freedoms without even thinking about it. God help us!

If the president really cared about his constituency, a portion of the money that was spent on all of those attack ads would have been given to the poor and needy. Instead, it was used to keep him in the most lavish lifestyle that any president before him has been the beneficiary of. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.

Wake up, America. If you think the last four years was hard, hold onto your seats. And if you don’t have a seat to hold on to, I’m sure this president will find a way to take somebody else’s seat and give it to you.

Luckily I live in one of the bluest states in the entire goshdarn country and people like this do not get put in charge of things here.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Here's a bonus:

quote:

FEELING A DRAFT
I think its funny that Bill Clinton has got to be kicking himself for dodging the draft with all the affairs going on in the military. I guess he could have had more fun had he not avoided the draft.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

constantIllusion posted:

Yes we should honor a "country" whose only existence was due to an act of treason against the rest of the United States :allears:.

What always bothers me about these "heritage, not hate!" kinds of people is that they are also frequently the most jingoistic and nationalistic people about the US in general when the topic isn't about their home state, the Confederacy, the Civil War, etc. They are the first ones to impugn the integrity and patriotism of people with whom they disagree about modern politics but they are adamant in their pride and defense of literal traitors to the nation. It kind works the same way with some of the people who fellate the Reagan Administration. Iran-Contra was pretty much the dictionary definition of treason, but somehow Reagan, Ollie North, and the rest were a bunch of stand-up guys, while liberals are traitors on a daily basis just by their sheer existence.

cheerfullydrab posted:

Here you go guys, fresh meat. Feed, feed. It's from 11/12.

quote:

If the president really cared about his constituency, a portion of the money that was spent on all of those attack ads would have been given to the poor and needy. Instead, it was used to keep him in the most lavish lifestyle that any president before him has been the beneficiary of. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.

Two things:

1. Obama spent that money to get reelected so that he could spend the next 4 years helping those constituents rather than the marginal assistance some of that campaign cash would have provided. It was also meant as kind of an insurance policy to prevent "gently caress you, got mine" assholes like Romney and Ryan from getting into power and loving over those same constituents in favor of helping their rich rear end in a top hat buddies.

2. I'm pretty sure those presidents who owned slaves (e.g. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) had more lavish lifestyles than Obama has ever had. Yeah, Obama may have modern technology at his disposal but wealthy slave-owners in the antebellum South had pretty sweet deals.

cheerfullydrab posted:

Here's a bonus:

I love the hypocrisy of the right, it's ok to criticize Clinton for dodging the draft but somehow guys like Cheney and Romney aren't guilty of the same behavior because they had the wealth and connections to get multiple deferments. At least Clinton didn't hypocritically support a war in which he wasn't willing to fight like that rear end in a top hat Romney.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Yes, and that doesn't even approach the whole 'Dubya going AWOL' thing that he has always avoided discussing.

Dr. Tough
Oct 22, 2007

quote:

We the People are the force!
It was useless to argue, she thought, and to wonder about people who would neither refute an argument nor accept it. – Dagny Taggart, main character in Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”

Written in 1957 by Ayn Rand, “Atlas Shrugged,” which was again put to the silver screen recently, is relevant even more in today’s world than many decades ago. Published during a period when socialism and communism were on the march in Europe, the Soviet Union and China, Rand foresaw government taking over in our nation as well, removing from our lives the incentive to produce and prosper freely, and instead sharing and redistributing wealth. In response, key industrialists, led by the other main character, John Galt, literally destroy their own companies to deny this monstrous and inherently evil government access to their resources. They then flee “civilization” for a secret refuge in Colorado, waiting for the time when the nation predictably collapses under government rule. Only then will they return to rebuild the nation and restore freedom and individual initiative – which Rand sees as the driving force of mankind.

Rand’s vision of total government control has come true, particularly under the reign of President Barack Hussein Obama and his leftist comrades. Indeed, Obama’s calls to redistribute wealth, to tax heavily those who produce and prosper, and to in effect loot the motors of our society to give to others who do not contribute much of anything, should create a chill in any reader’s soul. Rand’s vision has indeed become reality as the country sinks into economic abyss and social retardation.

However, the blame does not just fall on Obama. This steady slide toward socialism and the Robin Hood mentality to loot the rich to give to the so-called poor has been thrust upon us by several past administrations, culminating in the now-infamous Obamacare. And, all the while, We the People have just stood by and watched it happen. Now the nation is on the precipice of disaster, and the uneducated masses –distracted with mindless reality shows, smart phones and intellectually worthless social media – are clueless.

The representatives we have sent to Congress and the White House have not represented us, but instead only their governmental selves. Even Republicans, the claimed party of less government, have collaborated to remove the freedoms our Founding Fathers envisioned and successfully fought for.

Apart from the destructive actions of the legislative and executive branches of government, the judiciary has played a substantial role as well in bringing the nation to its knees and enslaving us to the “god of government.” Judges, who are either put in place through political patronage – that is by politicians – or elected through contributions by special interests, have become the yes men of the establishment governmental elite of the other two branches. In effect, these “kangaroo courts” do the dirty work for other government officials to keep the people down and in their “place.” The judicial minions, as I will call them, are even worse than their masters, as they seek to legitimize the corrupt and destructive actions of those who put them in power.

This column is not permitted enough words to educate readers on the many instances I have experienced in recent years where judges intentionally made either clearly wrong rulings (i.e., over Obama’s eligibility) or put cases on ice to avoid having to reach a determination on a politically charged issue or matter. As just one example, a leftist judge in New York City, Justice Lucy Billings, for two years has sat on a simple nuisance lawsuit (filed by a first responder who was fatally injured trying to save victims of 9/11) to shut down the Ground Zero mosque.
Justice Billings has not even ruled on the preliminary motion of radical Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to dismiss the case. This is because Billings knows that our case has merit and must go forward. So, despite many pleas to her to get the show on the road, she does nothing.
But Justice Billings’ perversion of the rule of law is not isolated. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia has dismissed or sat on tens of crucial cases challenging government power and the ethics of the judiciary. This federal court is, in principle, the most important one in the land when it comes to checking government abuse, and it has instead become the rubber stamp for the political benefactors who got the judges their lifetime jobs. And when the actions of its judges are challenged, fellow judges of this court simply circle the wagons and protect their colleagues from scrutiny, much less remedial punishment. The federal court in D.C. is not alone. The courts in general have grown even more corrupt over the last two decades since I founded Judicial Watch in 1994 to police judges in particular.

With this slide toward government power enabled by the judiciary, I have regrettably come to the conclusion that I must move outside of “the corrupt system” and instead use the God-given rights our Founding Fathers bequeathed to us: the Citizens’ Grand Jury. And, just this week, as reported by WND, as Citizens’ Prosecutor I appeared before a Citizens’ Grand Jury in Ocala, Fla., to seek the criminal indictment of President Obama and Vice President Biden for their having illegally breached and compromised U.S. national security.

See https://www.citizensgrandjury.com. After presenting evidence of probable cause that the crimes had been committed, the Citizens’ Grand Jury, comprised of 16 jurors, returned a true bill of indictment. Obama and Biden will now be put on notice of the criminal charges against them and be provided with an opportunity to plead guilty or not-guilty at an arraignment. They then will be tried before a people’s court. I am confident that they will be convicted. This is just the beginning of our use of Citizens’ Grand Juries and other legal and peaceful means to reclaim our nation from the cancerous hold of our government officials.

Ayn Rand, if she had been alive, would obviously have approved. As in Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged,” she would have realized that We the People can no longer do business with government. Instead, like John Galt and his entrepreneurial colleagues, we must not simply wait for its present incarnation to be destroyed under its own weight; we ourselves must also be prepared to take actions to restore the nation to its original
greatness.

There was another editorial last week in the same paper where a guy basically said that white people who didn't vote for Romney were race traitors. This is the best newspaper.

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.
I like how his one killer example of a judge going out of control is a judge not hearing a case where some guy with no particular standing is trying to deny a group of (Muslim) Americans their rights.

Also, I guess failing to have abject cynical contempt and distrust of the government is exactly the same as worshiping it and wanting it to control every aspect of our lives.

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Blarghalt
May 19, 2010

Not sure how Ayn Rand, a staunch atheist, would approve of people wanting to take back their "god-given" rights.

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