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I've ridden in a modded SRT10 Ram on a very icy morning. It was a lot of fun, you expect it to be twitchy and murderous like the Viper but the slushbox takes a lot of the torque shock out of it. Still don't think I could ever own one.
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Nov 8, 2012 22:28
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VikingSkull posted:There are so many supercars nowadays that the segment has become pretty dull. 200mph, 10 or 11 seconds in the quarter mile, over 1g of turning.... so many cars can do this all now. Cars like the Vette and Viper get recognition because they are so cheap. while I'm starting to feel that the Porsches, Ferraris and Lamborghinis of the world are becoming a bit, I dunno, bland. You know what to expect out of them. Things like the Bugatti are exceptional because of the technology, but the Veyron is such a sterile, emotionless car that I just can't be excited about it outside of the numbers it puts down and the technical porn that's under its body. So, it's a sports car that also has luxury. A mix of the two without focusing on one at the detriment of the other. One could say the Pagani is a Grand Tourer?
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Nov 8, 2012 22:47
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Out of all the cars you posted, I most want to drive this one. I would trade both of my 4-wheel vehicles for a wide-bodied, hot hatch like that.
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Nov 8, 2012 23:02
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GramCracker posted:That Pagani interior is amazing, but how they make the Hyura is even cooler. I assume you're talking about this excellent video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6L-j6s9OPU
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Nov 8, 2012 23:04
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e: based on this picture (the 66 didn't have thin verticals in the grill, which didn't show up in Preoptopus's pic) joat mon fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Nov 8, 2012 23:14
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what is thissssssssssssssssss?
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VikingSkull posted:There are so many supercars nowadays that the segment has become pretty dull. 200mph, 10 or 11 seconds in the quarter mile, over 1g of turning.... so many cars can do this all now. Cars like the Vette and Viper get recognition because they are so cheap. while I'm starting to feel that the Porsches, Ferraris and Lamborghinis of the world are becoming a bit, I dunno, bland. You know what to expect out of them. Things like the Bugatti are exceptional because of the technology, but the Veyron is such a sterile, emotionless car that I just can't be excited about it outside of the numbers it puts down and the technical porn that's under its body. What you stated summarizes it perfectly, and I think it's something that we will indeed never see again from the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini, et al. However, when the last generation of great supercars were coming out -- F40, 959, F1 -- they rested on their performance and technology to set them apart. The interiors were in some cases spartan, in some cases dressed up a bit, but they were never meant to steal the show away from the raw numbers the cars were capable of putting on paper. A car today is as fast as however much the company building it can afford to spend on R&D and technology. The fact that Pagani cares so much about making an interior like that really puts them a step ahead in my book. The gauge cluster is really the only thing I don't like. Too many different colors and everything's too bright. 
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Nov 8, 2012 23:18
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joat mon posted:
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Nov 8, 2012 23:20
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Devyl posted:Really? Because the guy building it said he used the v10 mounts from a 3/4 ton and they fit ok. Of course, fab from the mount to the chassis might require some work. The Viper V10 is nominally based on the earlier truck V10, but the Rams from 2003 forward which the SRT-10 was a part of never offered the V10 as an option outside of the SRT's. So yeah, engine to motor mount would work, but mount to chassis requires fabrication. IOwnCalculus posted:Every time someone posts the SRT10 Ram, I look and see that they've gotten even more ridiculously cheap on the used market. And then I look at the EPA number of "9 MPG Combined" and see why. When I got my Daytona, I considered an SRT because slightly used ones weren't much more. I decided against it because I wanted a 0 mile car once in my life, and I think I made the right choice because clean low mile Daytona's like mine is often sell for the same or more than a SRT-10. SRT-10's are the truck version of the SRT-4's in that they were beat to poo poo across the board. Daytonas were either used as work trucks and destroyed, or kept clean. So there are still desirable Daytonas out in the wild and their rarity is starting to make them somewhat collectible. YF19pilot posted:So, it's a sports car that also has luxury. A mix of the two without focusing on one at the detriment of the other. One could say the Pagani is a Grand Tourer? I'd imagine the ride quality and daily liveability of a Pagani is non-existent, so classifying them as a GT may be pushing it. They are exotic supercars in every sense, but more of an object of desire rather than a street car that is fun on a track. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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Nov 8, 2012 23:40
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There's a Barra 6cyl swapped AMC Javelin up for sale at this month's Shannon's Auction. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a turbocharged one.  
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VikingSkull posted:What [Pagani] nail is the extravagance, the presence of a supercar. That interior is like a Swiss pocketwatch, it's exquisite, it's a literal work of art. Pagani makes works of art, emotional cars that require the owner or spectator to think about what they are viewing, or driving. It's more than just being fast or handling, it's more than being exclusive, or offering exclusive levels of performance at a price for the everyman. They are more "super" than almost any other supercar can lay claim to, and god do I love them for that. While Rococo is a legitimate art style, God it's ugly. VVVVVV agreed. joat mon fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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Nov 8, 2012 23:57
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Yeah, they aren't for everybody. The styling is questionable, but I think we can agree that the craftsmanship is amazing.
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Nov 9, 2012 00:26
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sadnessboner posted:There's a Barra 6cyl swapped AMC Javelin up for sale at this month's Shannon's Auction. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a turbocharged one. They're not kidding when they say Barra swapped: 
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Nov 9, 2012 01:18
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Is that the TPMS light on?
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Nov 9, 2012 01:51
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Preoptopus posted:Is that the TPMS light on? The key is on accessory, all the lights are on.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:53
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Touche. For some reason I found it weird that its the standardized symbol.
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Nov 9, 2012 02:10
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Every single one of those warning lights is the same as a Ford or GM car. Lots of companies use those, I don't know if it's a standardized thing or what.
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I work at a Sears Auto Center so that light is something I'm very familiar with heh. Which is why I thought it was striking.  More here http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/thread24875.html Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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Nov 9, 2012 02:21
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DILLIGAF posted:Out of all the cars you posted, I most want to drive this one. I would trade both of my 4-wheel vehicles for a wide-bodied, hot hatch like that. The only other car I'd rather drive that that one is the 250 GTO. ColdPie posted:I assume you're talking about this excellent video: Yup, that's the video 
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Nov 9, 2012 04:04
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How're the horns set up? In the thick part of the wheel?
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sadnessboner posted:There's a Barra 6cyl swapped AMC Javelin up for sale at this month's Shannon's Auction. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a turbocharged one. God drat it, no no no, why did they have to put a modern interior in it? Javelins (and AMXs) are rare as hen's teeth in Australia drat it. And why go to all that effort with the drive train and not use the Turbo motor? It's like doing an engine swap and putting in a LT1 instead of LSx into a car.
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You Am I posted:It's like doing an engine swap and putting in a LT1 instead of LSx into a car.
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sadnessboner posted:There's a Barra 6cyl swapped AMC Javelin up for sale at this month's Shannon's Auction. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a turbocharged one. That poor Javelin. a) What does Barra swapped mean and b) I had no idea AMCs made it over to Australia. Did they come in any sort of significant ideas, or is that a bit like swapping an Opel GT to run a 429 stateside?
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So here's a new car. The new S8 gets to 60 in 3.5s and runs an 11.8s 1/4, which is pretty fast for a full size luxury sedan. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1210_2013_audi_s8_first_test/#ixzz2A3FVDasV But what I really want to talk about is whether we are now at a moment where a sea change is happening with V8 engines. The new 4.0l Audi V8 is set up similarly to the new BMW turbo V8. The intake and exhaust is reversed, with the intake on the outside and the exhaust in the valley of the engine. This is done presumably because the engine is designed from the ground up for forced induction. The packaging of the exhaust in the valley is a bit more complex and probably requires some expensive heat resistance treatment, especially since the intercoolers are also packed in there. The advantage of this setup is detailed here. Note that the new Ford turbo diesel V8 has the same setup, as did GM's light duty diesel V8 before it was cancelled. Both are presumably also designed from the ground up for forced induction.     Of course Audi's engine also moves the timing/valve train to the back of the engine So is this how V8s are going to be built in the future then, with the flow reversed to aid turbocharging? EDIT: Eh, I thought this was the new car thread. Oh well, works just as well here I guess. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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Nov 9, 2012 05:47
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It looks like they're trying to just stuff everything into & onto the motor. For space and weight savings, this is a brilliant idea... But the first time you have to do more than change the oil it looks like a nightmare to tear into.
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Nov 9, 2012 06:39
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Zenostein posted:That poor Javelin. a) Barra = Ford Australia's 4.0 6cyl engine (and it's also got the interior from a BA-model Falcon). They seem to have gone to all that effort to basically transfer everything from what was most likely an absolute base povvo-pack Falcon. b) No, it'll be an import.
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sadnessboner posted:There's a Barra 6cyl swapped AMC Javelin up for sale at this month's Shannon's Auction. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a turbocharged one. Even in NA form it'll be pretty resonably quick, that's gonna be a considerable weight drop from the stock car. But...... all that work for an NA? Barra turbo would have been legendary.
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Here's this year's version of that NSX from a few pages back: and some video from yesterday http://vimeo.com/53130736
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That looks like an absolute nightmare to work with, and being an Audi design it probably is. Is this the one they've been featuring with those big cat/little cat ads touting cylinder deactivation of some sort?
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No idea about the ad but it does have cylinder deactivation. I thought it was odd because 75% of the press release was touting this technology(cylinder deactivation) that you could get in an 8 year old Pontiac Grand Prix like it was the second coming, while only casualy mentioning the fact that it was completely rear end-backwards compared to a regular V8. I guess they didn't want to make it too obvious that they were copying BMW's engine wholesale?
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Preoptopus posted:
Somebody's jealous of spyker interiors. http://blog.leasetrader.com/images/blog_leasetrader_com/WindowsLiveWriter/SpykerC8Aileron_E161/Spyker%20C8%20Aileron%20interior%20view_2.jpg http://blog.leasetrader.com/images/blog_leasetrader_com/WindowsLiveWriter/SpykerC8Aileron_E161/Spyker%20C8%20Aileron%20inside%20view_2.jpg But then again, when you make maybe five a year... E: I guess the big jet engine vents are a thing for Pagani. http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Pagani-Zonda-F-n-Interior-1920x1440.jpg Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Nov 9, 2012 |
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Throatwarbler posted:I guess they didn't want to make it too obvious that they were copying BMW's engine wholesale? To be fair, it's not exactly a new concept. I've seen pictures of old open-wheel cars with the exhaust ports on the valley side. Also, Ford's new Powerstroke has the same configuration, and for the same reason: to maximize the efficiency of the turbocharger. Obviously, the shorter the distance between the exhaust port and the turbo, the less energy is lost from the exhaust gasses. This is simply the ultimate realization of that goal. Also, contrary to the exhaust plumbing being more complex, it's actually simpler when the turbo is in the valley, since you don't have to worry about routing a hot manifold around other engine bay components. The Ford's exhaust manifolds are literally a one-piece casting with a single pipe leading to the turbo inlet. Dead simple, cheap and strong. It's also a measurable cost savings overall, as it minimizes the amount of tough, high-temperature metal that has to be used. Inlet piping is much thinner, lighter and cheaper than exhaust piping, much easier to route since it doesn't get terribly hot, and less costly to replace if it gets damaged or develops fatigue cracks. You don't have to worry about the exhaust manifold cracking, since it's only connected to the turbo, which is itself attached to the engine, and the whole thing vibrates as one unit. In short, it's a brilliant idea and I'm surprised it's just now gaining traction among more 'mainstream' vehicles. I expect we'll see a lot of V6s in this configuration replacing V8s in sports and luxury cars in the future.
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CharlesM posted:How tacky. Agree with this. I find it surprising that Horacio designed that hideous interior when the rest of the car is a masterpiece. Just doesn't gel. A proper car interior should look like this  The best interior for a current production car would either the Spyker which someone has already mentioned or this   
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fatman1683 posted:To be fair, it's not exactly a new concept. I've seen pictures of old open-wheel cars with the exhaust ports on the valley side. Also, Ford's new Powerstroke has the same configuration, and for the same reason: to maximize the efficiency of the turbocharger. Obviously, the shorter the distance between the exhaust port and the turbo, the less energy is lost from the exhaust gasses. This is simply the ultimate realization of that goal. Not seeing your point about the exhaust thing, the distance between the exhaust and the turbo on an outboard turbo setup isn't any longer than this one, and neither is the inlet pipe, if you use the same TMIC setup. The Powerstroke might have a simple exhaust pipe because IIRC it's a single turbo, while these engines have 2. Diesels are completely different anyway because the exhaust temps are much lower, it's not really a big deal to pack everything together. To do the same on a gas engine is much more tricky. Especially look at how the Audi engine even puts the intercooler in the valley as well, right beside the turbo. The BMW N63/S63 engine at least mounts the IC further away in front of the engine How do they make it work without the turbo melting everything? EDIT: I forgot Audis are well known for having especially heat resistant piping and electrics that never deteriorate. 
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Devyl posted:It looks like they're trying to just stuff everything into & onto the motor. For space and weight savings, this is a brilliant idea... But the first time you have to do more than change the oil it looks like a nightmare to tear into. Who said changing the oil would be easy?
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Sir Winston Beehill posted:Agree with this. I find it surprising that Horacio designed that hideous interior when the rest of the car is a masterpiece. Just doesn't gel. Not a production car, but I think the Bugatti Galibier is by far the best interior concieved in recent memory:  It just seems so inviting, and somehow looks classy and timeless, yet still modern.
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Someone post that crazy rear end 80's one, that's the best dash.
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muike posted:Someone post that crazy rear end 80's one, that's the best dash. I guess it has been a while since Matlab1988 posted about his Subaru XT 
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I'm putting this here because it's pretty AI I think:
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