ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Someone sacrifice a virgin in a Star Wars tshirt to the dark gods and sign Guillermo del Toro to direct all three, that dude knows his pulp and loves puppets and would kick so much rear end I'd be optimistic as gently caress about this.

Late Unpleasantness posted:

microwave casserole posted:

I thought I wasn't excited about this, but the mere suggestion of old Luke being like Obi-Wan gave me involuntary nerdboner.

ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Someone sacrifice a virgin in a Star Wars tshirt to the dark gods and sign Guillermo del Toro to direct all three, that dude knows his pulp and loves puppets and would kick so much rear end I'd be optimistic as gently caress about this.

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Jackson had suffered a setback when his passion project The Lovely Bones opened in December 2009 to weak reviews and disappointing box office (it grossed $94 million worldwide). But if there's one message that Jackson and his team want to convey, it's that del Toro left on his own -- without a push from Jackson. "Eventually, he couldn't wait around anymore," says Jackson. "We got to the point that it was six months past when we should've originally started shooting."
Some close to del Toro suspect the story was a bit more complicated than that. "Do I think Peter wanted to take over The Hobbit? No," says one insider. "But he was going to be involved one way or the other, and as an artist, Guillermo wanted to make his version of the movie. I think he wondered: 'How much of an imprint can I put on this? … Do I want to spend years of my life being caretaker of someone else's franchise?'

The Blackest Goon posted:

so anyway you guys im looking at these star wars clone wars ('03) clips and FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A07WNupEXk

Shodai posted:

I'd love to see force powers be this OP in the new films. It's always been a bit too subtle for my taste.

Friendly Factory posted:

You're part of the problem. The Force is a mystical energy that gives insight when you're calm, not some fireball slinging garbage that lets you leap several stories. It was so interesting originally because it was so mysterious. The prequels ruined the Force and as much as I think Genndy Tartakovsky is a good animation director, his version of the Force was even worse.

Friendly Factory posted:

You're part of the problem. The Force is a mystical energy that gives insight when you're calm, not some fireball slinging garbage that lets you leap several stories. It was so interesting originally because it was so mysterious. The prequels ruined the Force and as much as I think Genndy Tartakovsky is a good animation director, his version of the Force was even worse.

Friendly Factory posted:

You're part of the problem. The Force is a mystical energy that gives insight when you're calm, not some fireball slinging garbage that lets you leap several stories. It was so interesting originally because it was so mysterious. The prequels ruined the Force and as much as I think Genndy Tartakovsky is a good animation director, his version of the Force was even worse.

Shodai posted:

A problem...from your perspective.

It's one thing to go Super Saiyan, quite another to take a page from Akira. Tetsuo-like psychic powers here and there would be pretty captivating.

Friendly Factory posted:

Akira and the original Star Wars are on completely different thematic levels. There's growing a brand and then th ere's making something completely different from your established universe (i.e. the prequels). Akira and Star Wars are good for different reasons. I know you trotted out the old "it's just your opinion" thing and fine, so it is. But it's completely understandable to not want something to actively piss all over an established piece of fiction. All those great quotes from Yoda in ESB were ruined by the prequels and making the Jedi into an army of supermen betrays this further.

Effectronica posted:

They're not ruined by the prequels. Ruination is a condition of the mind.

Detective No. 27 posted:

I'd at least want Del Toro's puppet team working on Star Wars.

Friendly Factory posted:

All those great quotes from Yoda in ESB were ruined by the prequels and making the Jedi into an army of supermen betrays this further.

tadashi posted:

This would be the only acceptable way to make another Star Wars movie.

The Blackest Goon posted:

It's amazing this show managed to last as long as it did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjHN4MiJDdc


EDIT: There is a character in this show, who is literally just a super saiyan version of a pre-existing character

Mu Zeta posted:

I'd love a straightforward and fun adventure movie. I don't mind if it's targeted at a younger audience since they have to sell toys and merchandise, but that doesn't mean the characters have to be kids either. So yeah something like the JJ Abrams Star Trek would be ok with me.

OnlyJuanMon posted:

Just something new, fresh and FUN. Something that just puts a big smile on my face.

Mr. Unlucky posted:

I hope they do a kotor 2 type movie someday

Farbtoner posted:

Kotor 2 works in a videogame where you can have hours and hours of dialogue about the inherent philosophical failings of the Jedi and the Sith spread out over a lengthy adventure, but in a movie it would come off as a cross between The Matrix sequels' navel-gazing and the worst episodes of Star Trek TNG where everyone smugly negotiates trade routes and the whole things a parable about the Cold War or whatever.

Friendly Factory posted:

You're part of the problem. The Force is a mystical energy that gives insight when you're calm, not some fireball slinging garbage that lets you leap several stories. It was so interesting originally because it was so mysterious. The prequels ruined the Force and as much as I think Genndy Tartakovsky is a good animation director, his version of the Force was even worse.

Farbtoner posted:

Kotor 2 works in a videogame where you can have hours and hours of dialogue about the inherent philosophical failings of the Jedi and the Sith spread out over a lengthy adventure, but in a movie it would come off as a cross between The Matrix sequels' navel-gazing and the worst episodes of Star Trek TNG where everyone smugly negotiates trade routes and the whole things a parable about the Cold War or whatever.

Skwirl posted:

You can be philosophical in a film without a ton of dialogue. No Country for Old Men is largely about clashes in personal philosophy and with the possible exception of Tommy Lee Jones, not a lot of exposition. You couldn't do a recognizable Kotor 2 adaptation in film format, but it should be possible to make an interesting Star Wars film that raises the same thematic elements as Kotor 2 without giant speeches, but I doubt they will even try. Maybe if they try and emulate the old Timm/Dini Batman cartoon they can get a decent amount of weight behind the story while maintaining the family friendly vibe.

Lord Lambeth posted:

A TV show might handle it better.

Vermain posted:

There's nothing necessarily wrong with making the Jedi into Goku (and pardon my glibness here, but I love comparing things to Goku) depending on the particular thematic content of the work they're featured in. The problem is more that the Force became a background object rather than a narrative tool in the prequels.

Let's take one of the more obvious uses of the Force in The Empire Strikes Back: Vader and Luke's duel. At the midpoint, Vader picks up a bunch of miscellaneous objects and hurls them at Luke. This is meant to establish two key points for the scene:

1) Vader is considerably more powerful than Luke, and Luke's attempt to duel him is, ultimately, hubris. This serves as a counter to earlier in the duel where Luke actually seems to gain the upper hand at several points, or, at the very least, hold his own.

2) Vader is deliberately toying with Luke. He doesn't want to kill him, even though there are clearly points where he's hucking garbage at Luke where slipping a lightsaber in would be easy. This is interesting, since we've previously only seen Vader as a merciless executor of the Emperor's will, gladly choking the life out of anyone who so much as fails him. It helps to set up the eventual "father" revelation.

Obi Wan in the original movies uses his Force manipulation to show that he's long since past the point of being the "great warrior" Luke believes him to be, preferring subtlety and guile over hitting people with a lightsaber (which makes his eventual sacrifice more believable). The Emperor shoots lightning out of his hands to emphasize his limitless cruelty and malice. Luke frequently uses the Force to grab his lightsaber, as it's very clear that, for a great deal of the films, he considers "Jedi" and "warrior" to be synonymous. The Force, in this case, is an extension of the person using it.

At the opening of The Phantom Menace, meanwhile, Qui-Gon Jinn thrusts his hand forwards and - bwoomph! - some battle droids go flying backwards. Neat! This has jack diddly to do with who Qui-Gon is (a peaceful, heterodox diplomat), but it has everything to do with what a "Jedi" is in the tactically realistic world of the prequels. Yoda and Count Dooku fight and - cracko! - his fingertips flare with dark Sith lightning. Again: What the gently caress does this have to do with Count Dooku? He's not shown to be a particularly cruel or maleficent individual - in fact, he's downright genial. He shoots lightning because, again, it's tactically realistic that a Sith would know how to shoot lightning from his fingertips. The powers don't serve as extensions of the people as much anymore, aside from the obvious implications that certain powers are "bad" (like shooting lightning). They serve only as special effect receptacles, which is why they tend to feel far more like anime superpowers than the magical abilities of the original series.

Generally, good works that feature supernatural powers are cognizant of the fact that these special powers are merely extensions of the person wielding them. The prequels don't "ruin" the Force because people can shoot lightning and push everyone around or whatever (and, in fact, it would be quite natural to expect this in a series of films about a massive war). Rather, the Force simply becomes another accessory, like the lightsaber or a Jedi's robes, devoid of any kind of thematic meaning beyond merely being expected.

Shade2142 posted:

Do you guys think the Republic Commando novels are film worthy?

vote_no posted:

This is a delightful analysis of the Force, and I think more accurately describes why the Yoda fight in the prequel was so hated -- it wasn't only that it seemed ridiculous, it was that it was completely out of character.

Thulsa Doom posted:

His entire appearance is out of character. He's a hermit. More important, a large sequence in Empire is structured around not knowing Yoda's identity. That everyone already knows who Yoda is through pop culture osmosis is irrelevant.

Strange Matter posted:

That's why the 4,5,1,2,3,6 order is the only one that makes sense. So much is revealed in Empire-- Yoda, the Emperor, Luke's parentage-- all of which are spoiled completely by watching the prequels first. In fact, Yoda in the prequels actually kind of makes sense if you watch Empire first and interpret his character arc as Empire showing a humbled, enlightened Yoda who suffered his entire world view being upended and set on fire. It makes prequel Yoda as unenlightened and spritually enfeebled as the rest of the Jedi, and the only reason he survives is because he is the most powerful. It makes both Episode 5 and 3 even more nihilistic than they already are, which is sort of awesome I guess.

Except that it resolves a narrative problem that should not have even occurred in the first place, and indeed wouldn't have occurred if the prequels were written by, like, a good writer.