skipThings posted:It's a travesty and a monstrous act of imperialism what is happening in Gaza. Opportunistic shitheads use jingoistic populism to get re-elected and when the new Palestianian rockets finally hit Tel Aviv, Benny and his cronies will cheer, because that will get panicing people to vote for loving Likud. My point is that they are actively segregating and attempting to destroy the Palestinian population. They've successfully convinced their own countrymen that Israel is simply "better" than Palestine. If I could find the graphs that showed what the average Israelan believed about the average Palestine, I'd post it, but I can't dig it up right now, so I just have to hope you've seen it as well. The Israeli state are utter tyrants, is the point. They've managed to convince a nation that the Palestine state shouldn't be. The reason the comparison is important and not just a "Goodwin" is because the occupation of Palestinian lands and the acts of terror against the Palestinian population bear such striking resemblances to the neo-nazi actions against "non-Aryan" populations that we've seen in countries like South Africa. It's gone beyond the hyperbolic comparison to the striking reality. The apartheid against the Palestinian population is real, the propaganda is real. They are not trying to take over the world, but the crimes of the Nazis were not limited to that idea. Their crimes were many, and the moment Israel commits any of them is a moment you have to realize that something has gone wrong. One very important part of realizing just how terrible the Nazi regime was, is to realize how many terrible things they did and not focus on the "obvious" like the holocaust and their drive to take over the world. I completely accept that my comparisons to the Nazi regime might be accepted negatively, but I believe that there is a point where the comparisons become apt.
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Just cross posting this from the Hackgate thread.
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Black Griffon posted:My point is that they are actively segregating and attempting to destroy the Palestinian population. They've successfully convinced their own countrymen that Israel is simply "better" than Palestine. If I could find the graphs that showed what the average Israelan believed about the average Palestine, I'd post it, but I can't dig it up right now, so I just have to hope you've seen it as well. It's a comparison made by some Holocaust survivors, even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSlFR541Uoo
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# ? Nov 18, 2012 05:35 |
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stop with the stupid comments you towel heads I'm seriously growing apathetic towards everything. Willful, forceful ignorance constantly surrounds me.
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Really? Okay, let's consider for a moment that Michelle Obama's promotion of healthy eating led to Hostess' bankruptcy (ie take a trip to Bizarro World). This would mean that consumers took in on their own initiative to stop purchasing Hostess products, and retailers responded by maintaining smaller Hostess inventories ipso facto drastically decreasing Hostess revenue. This would just be an example of those free market principles that these idiots are so fond about at work, so this talking point is just so loving disingenuous. Content: Hitler fangirl
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# ? Nov 18, 2012 06:43 |
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Luminous Cow posted:
What would we do indeed? 1996: 1998:
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# ? Nov 18, 2012 06:51 |
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from their facebook page: quote:I think you're missing the point. The point is not that WalMart practices Socialism, but that it PROFITS from what would, in any other context, be called "Socialism" by conservatives.
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Luminous Cow posted:
What is the rebuttal to this line of reasoning. I was raised in a "Israel are God's people and can do no wrong" household so this line of reasoning is kind of ingrained. I now side against Israel and want an argument that isn't 'but they started it'.
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Pug Smugly posted:What is the rebuttal to this line of reasoning. I was raised in a "Israel are God's people and can do no wrong" household so this line of reasoning is kind of ingrained. I now side against Israel and want an argument that isn't 'but they started it'. Well, you could cite stuff like the fact that qassams can be made by anyone with access to a scrap yard and sugar and have killed probably a grand total of 50 or so people in the however many decades they've been fired at Israel. You could also say that qassams typically do not reach major metropolitan areas like Tel Aviv or Jerusalem (which seems to be the crux of the image's argument, since it shows London and New York being bombed). THe rockets that have hit Tel Aviv and (possibly) Jerusalem were Fajrs, which are Iranian built, and of which Hamas has a limited supply. Or you could go the route of saying that Israel has been the aggressor in nearly all of the wars that it has been in, and its constant repression of the Palestinians via things like giant concrete walls, denying them access to proper medical care and drinking water, a blockade that stops food and other supplies from getting in, continuous gradual stealing of land for illegal settlements, and casual bombing of the Gaza strip (at least once with white phosphorus) has driven some of the people of Gaza to take drastic measures such as electing Hamas, and joining groups like Islamic Jihad who shoot rockets at Israel as a perceived means of self-preservation. Either way, your arguments will probably be dismissed. e: Also, if anyone tries to pull that "Israel has always been Jewish land" poo poo with you, just loving show them this: http://vimeo.com/50531435 Fluoride Jones fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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Fluoride Jones posted:Well, you could cite stuff like the fact that qassams can be made by anyone with access to a scrap yard and sugar and have killed probably a grand total of 50 or so people in the however many decades they've been fired at Israel. You could also say that qassams typically do not reach major metropolitan areas like Tel Aviv or Jerusalem (which seems to be the crux of the image's argument, since it shows London and New York being bombed). THe rockets that have hit Tel Aviv and (possibly) Jerusalem were Fajrs, which are Iranian built, and of which Hamas has a limited supply. Or you could go the route of saying that Israel has been the aggressor in nearly all of the wars that it has been in, and its constant repression of the Palestinians via things like giant concrete walls, denying them access to proper medical care and drinking water, a blockade that stops food and other supplies from getting in, continuous gradual stealing of land for illegal settlements, and casual bombing of the Gaza strip (at least once with white phosphorus) has driven some of the people of Gaza to take drastic measures such as electing Hamas, and joining groups like Islamic Jihad who shoot rockets at Israel as a perceived means of self-preservation. Either way, your arguments will probably be dismissed. Thanks, exactly what I needed to read. gently caress war (changi prison camp, hosed with my pa's head which in turn hosed up most our family)
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Pug Smugly posted:Thanks, exactly what I needed to read. gently caress war Drawings of British soldiers in Japanese Prisoner of War camps have turned up nearly 70 years later. Mr Jennings never spoke about his wartime experiences and his family were stunned when they found the sketches stashed away in a shoe box after his death. There are 30 pencil portraits and six larger colour drawings. This one shows an operation being carried out in the open air. A rare image of the 'Selerang Square Squeeze' in Changi, Singapore, in 1942. Wearing only their pants, these servicemen are depicted singing in a bid to keep their spirits up. And the artist, Eric Jennings. Fluo fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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skipThings posted:But boy oh boy are you overreacting for comparing that to the Nazi-regime. Why even trying to compare the suffering of one to the other, does it somehow become more monstrous that way because "NAZIS!" ? skipThings posted:Israel is not trying to take ove the world, they are not actively trying to rid the world of Islam. They are fuckheads, but not Nazis.
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And Rosanne fucks it up for sane Palestine supporters. I really hope she just wasn't thinking of the possible implications of that tweet, but even if that's the case, prepare to see it hammered by the right wing and pro-Israel blogospheres.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:
Not the first time she's hosed it up for sane supporters of causes. Natalie Reed posted:“”[Cathy] Brennan, in case the name isn’t met by you with immediate, horrified recognition and a shiver down your spine (as thunder claps and the horses whinny), is one of the most vocal, adamant and bitter of the transphobic wing of radical feminism. (RationalWiki has a pretty good write-up about Brennan, which includes that quote.)
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I love this quote so much no matter how many times I see it. This is the current governing coalition of Denmark. Something is off about this photo, I mean when compared to pictures of most governments around the world. Hmmm. I can't quite put my finger on it. On a completely unrelated note, Denmark by almost every metric has one of the highest standards of living and lowest levels of inequality in the world
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Amused to Death posted:I love this quote so much no matter how many times I see it. Yes, because women-led governments are always, always progressive... (That said, I'd rather have Yvette Cooper than Ed Miliband as the Leader of the Labour Party, even though they're both as horrible when it comes to most of their politics)
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TinTower posted:Yes, because women-led governments are always, always progressive... He may be 87, but gently caress it. Benn for PM!
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Amused to Death posted:I love this quote so much no matter how many times I see it. According to some danish goon they're a right wing coalition or something, it was a while ago. (I don't even know what the context behind this Bell was) Experto Crede posted:
Benn's made some pretty bad comments about rape re; Assange.
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Forums Terrorist posted:Benn's made some pretty bad comments about rape re; Assange. Indeed (Non-consensual relationship isn't rape? ), but that said, he's (sadly) one of the few dedicated left wing labourites these days. I really can't think of any high profile members of the party who are unashamedly left. Experto Crede fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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TinTower posted:Yes, because women-led governments are always, always progressive... Ha, I was actually thinking about Thatcher when I wrote that. I think it says a lot though when a country has reached a point where the leaders of all the ruling coalition are all women, and it's a liberal coalition at that. It's impossible to make an analogy to the US since it's a completely different political system, but I guess the closet would be having a president, Senate leader and House leader who are all women, which may be decades off. gently caress, the Republican party has yet to even ever have a woman as its leader, and the Democratic party is on its first. Rush hour in the Netherlands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-ej1eihoU Socialism at work.(Seriously, if you read comments on articles about building even the slightest of bike infrastructure here you'd think cars were on the verge of being outlawed). Save the planet, tone your butt, ride bikes. e: quote:According to some danish goon they're a right wing coalition or something, it was a while ago. I shouldn't be one to question people actually living there, but I dont' see many right wing coalitions with Social Democrats, and the Socialist People's Party involved unless they meant the Social Democrats like Labour in the UK and the Democrats here just went hard to their relative right in the 90's. Ah, I see, turns out the Social Liberal party at least did go along with austerity during the last right-wing government. Amused to Death fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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These are from Israel's last "defensive" mission (cast lead). zeroprime fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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No context or explanation, I just thought the thread needed something to lighten the mood...
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Amused to Death posted:I love this quote so much no matter how many times I see it. The original quote as far as I've been able to trace it so far: and here's another source that also has it, but attributes it to him at a speech at Canning House in London instead. It's about cities rather than countries, and an ex-mayor, but a great quote none the less.
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Pass the biscuits, Pappy! Pappy O'Daniel: A real person. Not to be confused with his latter day fictional counterpart, O Brother Where Art Thou's governor of Mississippi. Not real In reality, Pappy was a real person born W. Lee O'Daniel. Born in Ohio, raised in Kansas, W. Lee didn't move to Texas until he was 35, where he worked as a sales manager, and later advertising manager, for the Burris Mills Flour and Elevator Company. A failing daily radio spot for the company became its best sales tactic after W. Lee hired an "ol' timey" hillbilly band, dubbed the Light Crust Doughboys. One day the regular announcer was too sick to go on air and W. Lee took the mic instead, becoming such a hit he became the regular host. OR, depending on who you ask, W. Lee, now president and general manager of Burris, just forced his way on. Regardless, there he was singing with the band, reading Bible verses, and extolling the virtues of flour, and I'll be damned if it wasn't a hit. (All else aside, the popularity of the band's sound is credited in large part for helping create, or at least popularize, Western Swing). Even after Burris Mills and Pappy had a falling out, he took it in stride. He launched his own brand of flour, Hillbilly Flour, and established a new show and a new band, the Hillbilly Boys. It was more popular than ever, and Hillbilly Flour flew off the shelves - despite the fact that it was simply other brands of flour Pappy bought up and repackaged. Every day at the noontime hour, across Texas could be heard the voice of Pappy O'Daniel, crooning such self composed hits as "Beautiful, Beautiful Texas," "Sons of the Alamo", and "The Boy Who Never Grew Too Old to Comb His Mother's Hair". Pappy became a beloved figure - especially among the women of Texas, as his show had a prime slot when housewives had an opportunity to listen, and because he sang creepy songs about their sons combing their hair for eternity. On Palm Sunday, 1938, Pappy mentioned that a blind man had asked him to run for governor. He took the question to his listeners, and tens of thousands of telegrams poured in in favor of the Kansan radio announcer who had never held office or voted. Finally a man who will give us the smokestacks we crave So Pappy and the Boys hit the trail. They were considered a joke by the Texas political elite - at their peril. Pappy and the Hillbilly Boys toured the state in a red firetruck plastered with slogans. They made their campaign stops major events for the people of rural Texas, and pulled in crowds tens of thousands strong. He pledged to lower taxes and raise pensions for the elderly, and offered absolutely no plan by which to do this. His entire platform was "the Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, and the Bible." "There's a communist in that tree, look out!" This mixture of boldfaced ignorance, religious pandering, and catchy tunes beguiled the Texan people, who gave Pappy 51% of the vote in the Democratic Primary - which was the only real contest in Texas in those days. Pappy in a miniature, mobile Texas capitol, god bless America Once in office, Pappy's first major move was to propose - a tax hike! Which failed. In fact, all of his propositions failed, to the extent he even bothered to propose them. And he vetoed a staggering number of bills, many for no apparent reason, purposefully stoking resentment in the legislature - so that he could go to the people and blame them drat boys in the capitol for his own failure to do basically anything. He was, of course, re-elected in 1940, and at least managed to pass the Anti-Violence Act, which could have been more appropriately called the "gently caress Unions Act". He also packed the University of Texas Board of Regents with cronies, to ferret out the communists which supposedly hid behind every door. Thanks to their heavy-handed firings, UT was ostracized by the American Association of University Professors for almost a decade. All the while, he stayed on the air, now giving weekly Governor's addresses which targeted those drat hand-grenade chucking communists and anarchists, which we must assume 1940s Texas was simply crawling with. Hillbilly Flour: Guaranteed to give you some kind of stroke I guess In 1941, when one of Texas's senators died, Pappy saw an opportunity. He appointed Sam Houston's ancient son Andrew Jackson Houston as a placeholder, to prepare for his own candidacy. A.J. Houston was no political threat, and may or may not have even known he was a Senator. Right on cue, he died almost immediately. Andrew Jackson Houston, preserved by the powers of the Holy Grail In the ensuing special election, Pappy handed one Lyndon Baines Johnson his only defeat, when a naive LBJ announced his totals early enough for Pappy to steal just enough votes necessary to win. But what made Pappy beloved in Texas made him seem like a weirdo and an embarrassment in Washington. And despite being the one-time composer of the song "On To Victory, Mr. Roosevelt," Pappy was a huge foe of the Roosevelt and Truman administrations. Well, I say huge foe, but as he also alienated all of his colleagues, he did little enough to actually hinder them. Pappy declined to run for re-election, and was replaced in the Senate by that same Lyndon Johnson (who had learned his lesson about vote stealing, but that's another story...). Pappy tried for governor again in the late 50s, updating his message of imminent communist revolution with some timely segregationist flavor, but the bloom was seriously off the rose at that point. He spent the remainder of his life in real estate investment and ranching, and died in 1969. "The Business of America is Biscuits" SombreroAgnew fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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ekuNNN posted:A horribly unfunny racist piece of poo poo comedian gets knocked out by a guy he's mocking: I know this is from forever ago, but wow. I clicked that link expecting to enjoy seeing a racist getting punched, but instead it just REALLY bummed me out. Sure the guy gets smacked, but it should have NEVER gotten to that point. He literally picks an Asian woman out of the crowd and starts doing a loving "me so horny" routine at her while gyrating his loving hips. What the gently caress? "Are you having FUN?!?!" - "I was." Uggh. Content: Yes, I know its been slightly photoshopped, but that is to protect the identity of our heroic cop-puncher.
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Amused to Death posted:I shouldn't be one to question people actually living there, but I dont' see many right wing coalitions with Social Democrats, and the Socialist People's Party involved unless they meant the Social Democrats like Labour in the UK and the Democrats here just went hard to their relative right in the 90's. The Socialist People's Party went right later, following the overall rightward turn of Danish politics. And happily got punished for it eventually. Leftist parties simply shouldn't adapt xenophobic rhetoric in an attempt to gain votes. Finally, Det Radikale Venstre (The Radical Left, obviously a misnomer now.) have always been an economically liberal party. They basically pretend to be good guys by focusing on not being racists/homophobes, to get the votes from the people who do not like that Venstre buddied up with the Danish People's Party. So not completely lovely, but still steeped in liberal bullshit, and obviously willing to hold their nose and cooperate with anyone that helps them dismantle the welfare state a bit more. (At the moment, the Social Democrats and the Socialist People's Party.) *A story in itself. And now for kind of related political posters: First poster is from the 1935 election, where the Social Democrats managed to gain 46% of the votes. (Which they haven't managed to top since.) Probably the most famous Danish poster by far. Text reads: Stauning - or Chaos. Vote Social Democratic! His government was responsible for the cooperation policy with Nazi Germany, under Erik Scavenius. (Det Radikale Venstre) This was part of Scavenius' introductory speech: "With the great German victories, that have left the World in amazement and admirration, a new time is upon Europe, that will lead to a new political-economical order under the leadership of Germany." "It will be Denmark's task to find its place in a necessary and mutual, active cooperation with Greater Germany." Which the Nazis were apparently quite happy to use as propaganda, to show that they were not the madmen they really were. So, great job making Goebbel's job easier guys! Not to say that Det Radikale Venstre were the only ones being kind of terrible, the Social-Democrat (union publication) wrote this: "The Danish people are prepared for the economic cooperation and the readjustment of our economic situation, that will be necessary after the changed and of Germany controlled situation in Europe. In this the Danish government, with the full backing of the people, is willing, and it's only fools who will oppose something as necessary and natural." So basically, they were willing to submit completely to Nazi Germany, and ready to call any resistance out as fools. Obviously a parody of the other one, now with Stauning replaced with Nyrup. Text reads: Liberalism - or Chaos. Vote Social Democratic! Like the Social-Democrats of yesteryear, Nyrup sold out his supposed ideology. In this case, instead of abandoning ideas of eventual Socialism in favor of the Social Democratic compromise with Capitalism, he sold out Social Democracy in favor of Liberalism. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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sleeptides posted:I know this is from forever ago, but wow. I clicked that link expecting to enjoy seeing a racist getting punched, but instead it just REALLY bummed me out. Sure the guy gets smacked, but it should have NEVER gotten to that point. He literally picks an Asian woman out of the crowd and starts doing a loving "me so horny" routine at her while gyrating his loving hips. What the gently caress? sleeptides posted:our heroic cop-puncher.
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Forums Terrorist posted:
It was on David Cameron’s immigration speech. Since the Israel thing has happened again, lets have some from the past (and some not many months ago). and no Israel post without [yes I know its posted alot :<]
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quote:I really like this one.
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Fluo posted:and no Israel post without [yes I know its posted alot :<] Whose the poodle supposed to be?
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Shunkymonky posted:Whose the poodle supposed to be? Tony Blair.
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Edminster posted:Found by searching for "harper's put yourself in his place" which brought up a smaller version than the one you have, but plugging that one in to the image search gave me this one. One more, this is a bit smaller but sharper:
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 00:26 |
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 00:54 |
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Here's some Palestina/Israël related propaganda: "IDF Poster advocating use of Hebrew over other languages." ca. 1950 Some Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine propaganda: "Links of the same chain. Thousands of Arab patriots languish without trial in Israeli prisons and concentration camps." ca. 1971
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The Tavor, standard infantry weapon of the IDF The M16A2 Rifle, standard infantry weapon of the US army
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Herman Merman posted:One more, this is a bit smaller but sharper: New census calculation finds higher rate of poverty in U.S. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57549919/new-census-calculation-finds-higher-rate-of-poverty-in-u.s/ You have three months if you are fired to become a homeless person in america. 6 months, if you cut off cable, phone, and start walking. Assuming you do not have a credit card debt, which the average american has $27,000 in.
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I posted that on my Facebook, was met with a response from a guy who said he supported 2 people on 8 dollars an hour when he was in college, and that he ended up with no college debt. I asked how much he paid for rent and tuition, he said $350 a month for rent, and he had a scholarship. I don't know how you can crow about not taking a student loan when you had someone else footing the bill. I'm also willing to bet that his cheap apartment was on or near campus so he didn't need a car and that he didn't have any major health crisis while he was in college. Of course none of this touches on the fact that the people who need more pay aren't college students who are doing work for the time they're in school but people for whom working at Wal-mart is all they've got. They shouldn't have to live likes monks who've taken a vow of poverty or work 80 hours a week to survive without assistance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taz1ANj6X7Y
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