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Warcabbit posted:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162885/-Murdoch-US-Grand-Jury-Set-to-Arrest-Rupert-for-Illegal-Payments And I read the comments. Jesus Christ people, it's a developing story. They're ripping on the title being misleading and how much the diary sucks.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 03:50 |
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VanSandman posted:What are the chances the Justice Department ignores or does a summary "investigation" of this? I dunno, Fox news' power seems to be on the wane with the US election leaving them a sputtering mess. They're certainly not going to be able to shut this thing down solo.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 03:54 |
Ok, so what does this mean (a) would happen in an ideal world (b) is likely to actually happen?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 03:57 |
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Little_wh0re posted:Ok, so what does this mean (a) would happen in an ideal world (b) is likely to actually happen?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 03:59 |
prefect posted:
I was going for more of a "If it was Al Jazeera not New International" rather than "Unicorns and rainbows" hypothetical.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 04:16 |
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Why does the Daily Beast article say there would be an audit trail for any dodgy payments by the press for the Saddam photos? Wouldn't that be a cash-in-a-plain-brown-envelope sort of job or have I watched too many crime thrillers? Edit: Also, £500 is surely a huge underestimate of any sum paid for those pictures, no? Warrahooyaargh fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Nov 19, 2012 |
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Warrahooyaargh posted:
I imagine that's why the quote was careful to give a minimum amount of £500 which of course doesn't bar the actual amount from hitting the couple of grand it probably actually was
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 08:28 |
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prefect posted:
Answer b. is the correct one. Saddam is far, far away on the sympathy scale from Milly Dowler. No one will care.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 08:39 |
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No one will care that a hack bribed the US army? You won't get a wave of public revulsion, but that sounds like the thing Americans will prosecute over.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 09:12 |
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They certainly could prosecute, but why would they? It'd be a huge amount of effort, expenditure and all the rest in order to punish some people for publishing an embarrassing photo of one the most hated men on the planet. Unless there is an email from roops himself proclaiming 'I order you to corrupt the us government, muahahaha!' nothing will happen to him. I sincerely hope there is more to it than what we think we know, and that there is more to come, but if this is all there is, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 09:33 |
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I guess I'll have to spell it out, supposedly two emails were discovered in datapool 3 by News Corps Management Standards Commitee from a News Int editor to Murdoch telling him about the Saddam pants photos, to which Murdoch replied it was "money well spent", which shows Murdoch knows they were bought from someone, and apparently News Corp is making GBS threads their collective pants over it. That £500 figure is also supposedly missing a couple of zeros.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 10:46 |
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That would be the worst-case scenario for Fox, correct? To not only have been involved in illegality in the US but for the highest levels be aware of it as well? I imagine that the fact that we are talking about this now means that there is conclusive proof that is in the hands of the authorities, I hope.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 10:53 |
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Brown Moses posted:I guess I'll have to spell it out, supposedly two emails were discovered in datapool 3 by News Corps Management Standards Commitee from a News Int editor to Murdoch telling him about the Saddam pants photos, to which Murdoch replied it was "money well spent", which shows Murdoch knows they were bought from someone, and apparently News Corp is making GBS threads their collective pants over it. That £500 figure is also supposedly missing a couple of zeros. The Daily Beast article carefully doesn't seem to mention any of this. If what you just said is borne out then that could indeed blow up nicely. Well, blow up into a cloud of "It was a long time ago" and "I can't recall" at first but hopefully they can screw out enough corroborating material out of NewsCorp. This is the only mention of e-mails in the piece: quote:Last year, New Corp. set up a Management and Standards Committee, tasked with assisting British police with uncovering evidence of corrupt payments. The MSC holds a vast database of internal News International emails and communications, and answers to former U.S. assistant attorney general and News Corp. board member Viet Dinh. It is not known whether any requests for information have been made to the MSC regarding The Sun’s activities in May 2005, when the Hussein pictures were published.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 11:03 |
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My understanding is a lot of journalists are scrambling to get their hands on the emails in question, obviously whoever gets it wins at journalism. It'll be interesting to see what the Evening Standard has.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 11:11 |
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Was data pool 3 made totally public?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 12:08 |
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As in Rupert knew, or James?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 12:09 |
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thehustler posted:As in Rupert knew, or James? Rupes himself. Datapool three is in the hands of the Met and News Corps MSC.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 12:12 |
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Brown Moses posted:Rupes himself. Datapool three is in the hands of the Met and News Corps MSC. I'm sure someone knows somebody at the Met they can pay for a couple of emails, this should be out in no time.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 12:56 |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:I'm sure someone knows somebody at the Met they can pay for a couple of emails, this should be out in no time. Supposedly a lot of people are working on this story independently of each other, so something is bound to break sooner or later.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 13:01 |
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Do we have a timeline for what might happen after this properly gets out? Are we going to be in for a long, protracted investigation? I hate the slowness of things sometimes
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:I'm sure someone knows somebody at the Met they can pay for a couple of emails, this should be out in no time. Well done.
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thehustler posted:Do we have a timeline for what might happen after this properly gets out? Are we going to be in for a long, protracted investigation? I hate the slowness of things sometimes If the emails BM is referring to get reported on, I'm sure you'll have a hell of a sideshow on the way to actual due process. Personally, I really want to see how something like this might go down with Newscorp shareholders.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 13:08 |
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It sounds as if someone's going to have to bribe somebody at the Met or News Corp's internal investigation outfit, and then there'll be e-mail traces of that, and it'll get revealed, and we'll all disappear up our own behinds.
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Heads up, the Telegraph now has the "Saddam in his undies" story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...orporation.html
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Warrahooyaargh posted:Heads up, the Telegraph now has the "Saddam in his undies" story: And so it begins, it'll be interesting to see what happens next.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 16:31 |
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In the run up to Leveson's report, there are a large number of articles cropping up, such as this one: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9685774/Trust-in-the-press-has-not-died.html Its a bit long to quote but the gist is: The Leveson Inquiry didn't teach us anything new Nobody cares about press regulation (versus other issues) Regulation is a hobby horse of the Left because it will "tame the Tory tabloids" but it will ultimately harm the Left more, since targets of the Left have more to hide behind with regulation. Its been a while since I was anywhere near as informed on the Leveson/phone hacking/press reform storm as I was near the outset, how much of this article holds weight? I wasn't even aware polls had been taken.
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PiCroft posted:In the run up to Leveson's report, there are a large number of articles cropping up, such as this one: We all knew what was going on and you can't change anything and if you did it would hurt the stuff you like most because wurble furble blurble. Pack it up, everyone, we're moving back into the trees and throwing poo poo at each other. It's just as good as houses with indoor plumbing.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 17:51 |
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1) News Incorporated paid UK law enforcement to abuse surveillance powers. 2) US law enforcement has surveillance powers and now everyone knows it (Petraeus) 3) News Incorporated paid a US official to information acquired on the job (Saddam Pics) These things are not difficult to connect if there is any interest in destroying News Corp's US reputation (but it will be very hard to fight ) Of course nothing will be done to prevent surveillance abuse
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 18:10 |
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It's only when you pay keen attention the Evening Standard's Twitter feed all day that you realise just how poo poo it is.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 18:23 |
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Allow me to predict the US reaction: Fox News: Conspiracy to destroy Obama critics! Most corrupt administration ever! (Unless it was Clinton!) MSNBC: Hey, there might be something here, maybe. Government: Nothing CNN/everyone else: Christmas shopping! Justin Bieber!
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 18:26 |
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The FBI's reaction will be more interesting, they've been informed of everything from what I've heard.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 18:27 |
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Brown Moses posted:The FBI's reaction will be more interesting, they've been informed of everything from what I've heard. Sadly I think they are more interested with investigating the former CIA's sex life right now.
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Brown Moses posted:And so it begins, it'll be interesting to see what happens next. In the words of Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing. Does anyone seriously believe that anything is going to happen to Rupert Murdoch?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 20:40 |
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Comstar posted:In the words of Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing. Remember when this story first broke and everybody said 'nothing would happen' and from it there's a move towards greater press regulation, Paul Dacre making GBS threads himself, Rupert Murdoch confined to a racist twitter account and the News of the World got shut down? You're going to have, in the next two days, an actual 'NewsCorp bribed US Official to commit War Crime' story with FOX and friends already infighting and breaking apart over the election defeat.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 20:52 |
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More of Zelo Street on the Murdocalypse.
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 21:37 |
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Fat Guy Sexting posted:Remember when this story first broke and everybody said 'nothing would happen' and from it there's a move towards greater press regulation, Paul Dacre making GBS threads himself, Rupert Murdoch confined to a racist twitter account and the News of the World got shut down? On the other hand, Actual War Criminal Allen West was elected to the House of Representatives for a couple of years. It's a bit of a shame, but the term "war crime" doesn't have the power it ought to. (I hope I'm wrong.) VVVV I forgot about Ollie. He ran for the Senate with a real chance of winning, and back when he was giving bullshit testimony to Congress, there were a non-trivial number of people who wanted him to be the President. prefect fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 19, 2012 |
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prefect posted:On the other hand, Actual War Criminal Allen West was elected to the House of Representatives for a couple of years. It's a bit of a shame, but the term "war crime" doesn't have the power it ought to. (I hope I'm wrong.) Oliver North, a man who committed high treason, not only had his own talk show but has been featured in trailers for the new Call of Duty game. Let's never forget this when discuss how much Americans really care.
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From the Grauniad story:quote:News Corp said it stood by its decision to publish, saying efforts to highlight the story and link it to ongoing anti-corruption investigations in the US and the UK were just "a lame attempt to regurgitate old news". Yeah, drat those people who just won't give over about illegal activities. quote:A spokesperson added: "We didn't believe then, and certainly don't believe now, that it was wrong to acquire and publish newsworthy photographs of a notorious war criminal." I'm glad they took the decision to acquire and publish the photos as I had no idea that a notorious war criminal would have worn underpants. I just wish that The Sun had managed to get photos of Slobodan Milosevic to see if he was more of a boxer short kinda guy. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/19/saddam-hussein-underpants-news-corp
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That reminds mequote:Operation Elveden: CPS to decide whether to bring charges
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Fat Guy Sexting posted:Remember when this story first broke and everybody said 'nothing would happen' and from it there's a move towards greater press regulation, Paul Dacre making GBS threads himself, Rupert Murdoch confined to a racist twitter account and the News of the World got shut down? Nothing has happened to Rupert though, he just threw a lot of other people under the bus, and I'm sure he will continue to do so until this all blows over. He's too rich and old and powerful to suffer any serious consequences like jail time. The absolute worst thing that can happen to him is that he will be forced to retire to spend more time with his billions.
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