marktheando posted:Nothing has happened to Rupert though, he just threw a lot of other people under the bus, and I'm sure he will continue to do so until this all blows over. He's too rich and old and powerful to suffer any serious consequences like jail time. The absolute worst thing that can happen to him is that he will be forced to retire to spend more time with his billions. Except that he's been able to hide behind plausible deniability up until now, ie, "I didn't know anything it was always someone else". He can't behind this now. That's proof that he himself knew, approved, and was pleased by the bribery of a us military official.
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In the last thread, I was wondering about possible US charges regarding the FCPA and did some research into how effective it's been: "I checked to see if there were any updates from the families of 9/11 victims hacking allegations (that'd be the Milly Dowler story to get the public aware for the US), but nothing since the FBI announced it last August. With the DoJ investigation into the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act announced last summer, there's also nothing; that's a less-promising lead anyway because while the FCPA can fine corporations plenty."(Siemens got fined $1.6 billion(!) in 2008 for bribery charges), it does not have the best history with prosecuting individuals who work for US publicly-traded companies:[/quote] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/business/for-wal-mart-lots-of-bribes-but-little-jail-time-common-sense.html? posted:The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which outlaws the bribery of foreign officials by American executives, carries stiff penalties for those convicted: fines of up to $5 million and up to 20 years in prison. I've got two questions, though: did Murdoch deny knowing of any practices of paying officials, or was that just phone hacking? If the former... Then if any kind of judgment is passed in the US that acknowledges the truthibility of that alleged e-mail where Murdoch acknowledges the practice of paying officials for information, will that have any consequences in evaluating his testimony in the UK?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 22:58 |
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Tweet of the dayquote:Wouldn't it be amazing if there was a 20 minute tape of someone laying out how the whole pants thing was done?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 23:49 |
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Is it too much to hope for that such a tape might actually exist? At the moment it seems as if various papers are just re-running the 2005 story of the underpants picture without adding anything new. Are they just egging each other on to obtain and publish incriminating evidence?
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# ? Nov 19, 2012 23:58 |
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I hope that for my birthday that recording gets released. I have been a good boy all year!
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 03:12 |
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Is it wrong to want Murdoch to spend the rest of his life in prison?
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 11:02 |
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Yes. He's 81, the rest of his life isn't nearly long enough.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 11:08 |
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The Daily Mail and Independent have picked up on the story, guess the mainstream press think there's something to it as well.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 11:33 |
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Charges being announced at the moment:quote:Op Elveden: Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks charged in connection with payments to police and public officials quote:Charged on Op Elveden Andy Coulson, Rebekah Brooks, Clive Goodman, John Kay & MOD official Bettina Jordan Barber quote:Andy Coulson and Clive Goodman charged with alleged payment to public official in exchange for Buckingham Palace phone directory Guardian live blog here. quote:
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Here's the full charges Andy Coulson & Clive Goodman Charge 1 Clive Goodman and Andrew Coulson, between 31 August 2002 and 31 January 2003, conspired together and with a person or persons unknown to commit misconduct in public office. Contrary to s.1(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 Charge 2 Clive Goodman and Andrew Coulson, between 31 January 2005 and 3 June 2005, conspired together and with a person or persons unknown to commit misconduct in public office. Contrary to s.1(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 Bettina Jordan-Barber, John Kay & Rebekah Brooks Charge 1 Bettina Jordan-Barber, John Kay and Rebekah Brooks, between 1 January 2004 and 31 January 2012, conspired together, and with others, to commit misconduct in public office. Contrary to s.1(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 [edit] All other uncharged suspects bailed to January 2013. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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So have some of these people started giving evidence against each other/other papers/people outside the immediate scope of the investigation in hopes of a plea bargain? I'd love to see the snakes turning on each other.
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zeroprime posted:So have some of these people started giving evidence against each other/other papers/people outside the immediate scope of the investigation in hopes of a plea bargain? I'd love to see the snakes turning on each other. I think the lower down the food chain they go the more likely that is, but Coulson and Brooks must realise they are facing a lot of jail time at the moment.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:08 |
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zeroprime posted:So have some of these people started giving evidence against each other/other papers/people outside the immediate scope of the investigation in hopes of a plea bargain? I'd love to see the snakes turning on each other.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:10 |
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Comstar posted:In the words of Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing. Fat Guy Sexting posted:Remember when this story first broke and everybody said 'nothing would happen' and from it there's a move towards greater press regulation, Paul Dacre making GBS threads himself, Rupert Murdoch confined to a racist twitter account and the News of the World got shut down? Is this question and answer in the OP yet? I've been lurking this thread and its predecessors for a year and a half now, and it seems every time something new happens or someone else gets drawn into it or the evidence mounts someone new springs up asking "But seriously nothing is going to happen right Brooks/Murdoch/Coulson/Bloo/Blah will never get charged/caught/questioned/punished/photographed in their pants"
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:23 |
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Interestingly Brooks was working at the Sun at the period the 3rd set of charges cover.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:25 |
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Brown Moses posted:I think the lower down the food chain they go the more likely that is, but Coulson and Brooks must realise they are facing a lot of jail time at the moment. There's no way Brooks could handle prison. I imagine she'll sing like a canary soon. How long before she vomits beans all over the place?
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:30 |
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Vomits beans Is that a saying?
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:31 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:There's no way Brooks could handle prison. I imagine she'll sing like a canary soon. How long before she vomits beans all over the place? In the US, we have "country club" prisons for white-collar crooks. Does the UK have the ssme kind of thing?
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:34 |
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prefect posted:In the US, we have "country club" prisons for white-collar crooks. Does the UK have the ssme kind of thing? Yeah, Cat D open prisons.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:55 |
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prefect posted:In the US, we have "country club" prisons for white-collar crooks. Does the UK have the ssme kind of thing?
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 12:57 |
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I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 13:27 |
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Brown Moses posted:I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks. You probably have too much integrity for the job imho.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 13:38 |
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Brown Moses posted:I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 13:42 |
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Just noticed this on BBC website:
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 13:45 |
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Brown Moses posted:I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks. It's the BBC - your most important qualifications are what school you went to and your current post code.
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Twisted Perspective posted:It's the BBC - your most important qualifications are what school you went to and your current post code. And whether or not you can attract a youth audience.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 13:55 |
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Brown Moses posted:I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks. Guardian CIF was posting on Twitter looking for stories to commission - you could try thinking of something to write and submitting a summary to them to give you a kickstart. Get as much writing off your blog done as possible. https://twitter.com/commentisfree/status/270817813684420608 <-- not sure they're inviting submissions or just ideas but get in touch with them anyway. Also judging by your Twitter feed, you *must* have some contacts who can help you commission work or at least joint commission work - anyone from the beeb or other broadsheets. Have you considered asking @jackofkent to help you get an opinion piece in the broadsheets. This way you can bypass the journalism trainee bit which would probably funnel you towards production and get acknowledged right away for your writing. Hong XiuQuan fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Nov 20, 2012 |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:And whether or not you can attract a youth audience. Ah, Jimmy got it arse about tit.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 14:34 |
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Brown Moses posted:I've been rejected by the BBC journalism trainee scheme, loving sucks. Condolences. Don't give up, though. You seem to have a knack for this kind of thing.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 14:37 |
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Payndz posted:Yes; noted perjurer Jeffrey Archer was in an 'open' prison for a while, being allowed out to work and have home visits, but ended up abusing his privileges by having lunches with his Tory mates and was sent back to an actual prison. ... which says all we need to know about the Tories' willingness to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing if you're the right sort of chap.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 14:59 |
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rejutka posted:Ah, Jimmy got it arse about tit. No, he got plenty of arse and tit. (sorry)
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 15:06 |
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The Saddam pants story has now reached the Arab press as well, which will hopefully give it even more legs.
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Zephro posted:I don't think US-style plea bargains are A Thing in the British justice system. You can negotiate about pleading guilty to some charges in return for having others dropped, but I think that's about it.
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 21:27 |
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quote:News Corp exposed to growing legal threat following charges for tabloid duo
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 23:29 |
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fuctifino posted:You probably have too much integrity for the job imho. They have Adam Curtis and they seem ashamed of him. No one wants real journalism these days
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# ? Nov 20, 2012 23:40 |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:And whether or not you can attract a youth audience. You could point them here...
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# ? Nov 21, 2012 00:48 |
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It's behind a paywall, but WSJ has an article about News Corp and CBS in talks to merge book publishing businesses. CBS owns Simon and Schuster, News Corp owns Harper Collins.
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# ? Nov 21, 2012 01:02 |
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Alan Partridge on Hacked Off and Leveson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2acBU66AYE
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# ? Nov 21, 2012 13:01 |
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Brown Moses: Weapon Fetishist Coming this winter to a twitter feed near you.
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Plavski posted:Brown Moses: Weapon Fetishist Funnily enough that's the header on my CV.
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