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A video of Piers Morgan explaining phone hacking to Charlotte Church in 2003 has surfaced. How timely! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNuiClg_Vc
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 13:59 |
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Zombywuf posted:The libel laws aren't really that broad and powerful. They're pretty sensible in principle, if you publish some sort of writing that causes harm to a person they can sue. The problem is that some people are much more powerful than others (i.e. richer) and can make a libel case last for years while the other party (plaintif or defendant) bleeds money and is forced to quit. Newspapers have more money than most private citizens so they can get away with just about anything. The damages awarded are rarely punitive so they can just budget for it as operating expenses. Brown Moses posted:Data analyst at a company that manufactures ladies underwear. I'm literally surrounded by piles of lingerie and photographs of models in bikinis everywhere I look. I went to a meeting today and the table was covered in A4 close up photographs of ladies bosoms. 13 year old me would have gone bright red. I purposely don't comment in this thread because it's a great resource and I have nothing to add, but I figured this was a good excuse to say thanks for it. I've really learned a ton from following it.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 14:12 |
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Zephro posted:Well if by "a lot of people" you mean "a few journalists engaged in hilarious special pleading", then sure. Yeah, if by 'bottle' you mean 'do whatever he wants with no repercussions'. I mean they get a practically free ride as it is, are the media really going to be holding this up against him if he decides in their favour?
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 14:13 |
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If you watch the first episode of Jonathan Creek, the hack journalist in it uses the technique to access someone's phone mail. That's right - it was so widespread in the 1990s that the producers were probably advised by a journo that this was a technique for every intrepid reporter.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 15:10 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:If you watch the first episode of Jonathan Creek, the hack journalist in it uses the technique to access someone's phone mail. That's right - it was so widespread in the 1990s that the producers were probably advised by a journo that this was a technique for every intrepid reporter. Holy poo poo I forgot about that! Also amusing to see both Alistair McGowan and Alan Davies wearing a full Steadicam rig and attempting to look like they knew what they were doing. Steadicamming is hard.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 16:13 |
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Graun now going with Cameron set to reject Self-Regulation by PCC and back independent regulationThe Guardian posted:The government appears set to reject the proposals from the Press Complaints Commission for self-regulation of the newspaper industry and will open the door to a form of regulation that is more independent of the industry. Oh my. This just got quite interesting
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 18:38 |
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If it's not backed by force of law it will be useless, because the papers can just refuse to sign up to it like Richard Desmond.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 18:41 |
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Zephro posted:If it's not backed by force of law it will be useless, because the papers can just refuse to sign up to it like Richard Desmond. Which I hope Leveson has underlined in big, bold letters so it can't be ignored/misconstrued.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 18:44 |
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Hugh Grant Takes On The Tabloids is on Channel 4. E: Holy loving balls I'd completely forgotten about that despicable turd McMullen and how he drove a vulnerable homeless girl to suicide. That poo poo stain should be in prison if there were any justice. PiCroft fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Nov 28, 2012 |
# ? Nov 28, 2012 21:11 |
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quote:Leveson warns Metropolitan police it faces criticism
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 21:29 |
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Louis Walsh was on Ireland's flagship news programme this evening, talking about the settlement from The (Irish) Sun over the sexual assault allegations. It was loving hilarious; every single chance he got - aided and abetted by Bryan Dobson, the male anchor - he named The Irish Sun as a bunch of lying liars out to get him because The Irish Sun is staffed by lying liars who were out to get him by any means. Louis, however, fought these allegations by The Irish Sun because The Irish Sun is a bully and his name and business would be ruined by The Irish Sun otherwise. Luckily and thankfully, he has been proven vindicated completely and The Irish Sun is totally untrustworthy and he does not know why anyone would have anything to do with The Irish Sun. Also, The Irish Sun.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 21:34 |
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Political Scrapbook is worth a read today. Couple of things about the free speech network http://politicalscrapbook.net/ Guto harri is a dick
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 22:08 |
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Anyone know what time the report will be published? Can't wait to sit down and read it. Thanks to everyone who has helped out in this thread and all previous incarnations. Despite the cynicism of nothing happening we're at the stage of statutory legislation being put to paper to curb this behaviour. - at least if all goes to plan. Special thanks to Brown Moses for keeping the thread alive and the regulars of the #leveson IRC channel during the streams. It's a shame not all leads were able to be worked with but considering the resources available it's remarkable the impact this thread has had. Once again, thank you all for being a part of this.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 08:44 |
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zylche posted:Anyone know what time the report will be published? Can't wait to sit down and read it. It's being released at 1.30.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 09:33 |
Looks like Nick Clegg and David Cameron can't agree (again). Breaking News says that Nick Clegg will make a separate statement in the commons. This could be very interesting.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 11:23 |
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PiCroft posted:Hugh Grant Takes On The Tabloids is on Channel 4. As one of the uninformed I would love a link to an article about that
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 11:51 |
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Chichevache posted:As one of the uninformed I would love a link to an article about that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb9cnlbzhgk About 00:46 is when McMullen starts speaking.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 11:59 |
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Last night's programme was good, what did everyone else think?
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 12:27 |
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It was great, I enjoyed watching the twitter feed. The bit with footage of Piers Morgan telling Charlotte Church how to hack phones was one of the best bits. Also liked Free Speech Network not allowing the documentary camera into the meeting. I actually kind of like the new trend of putting up a twitter hashtag so viewers can commentate live.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 12:30 |
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If you want to watch it and you're in the UK, then: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hugh-grant-taking-on-the-tabloids/4od
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:00 |
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The interview with the editor was a fun watch, especially when Grant whips out that ludicrous scare ad and points out how wobbly the headlines were. Hope there's a followup of sorts.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:14 |
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Not long to go, anyone coming to #leveson on SynIRC? You can use Mibbit if you don't have an IRC client.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:28 |
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Welp, Leveson has gone in hard on the press, it's all sounding grimly excellent so far. EDIT: And the police and politicians appear to be getting off pretty lightly.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:31 |
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Dan Sabbagh posted:Lord Justice Leveson today recommended the introduction of the first press law in Britain since the seventeenth century – proposing that a statutory body such as Ofcom should take responsibility for monitoring an overhauled Press Complaints Commision. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/29/leveson-report-published-and-brooks-and-coulson-in-court-live-coverage
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:33 |
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Leveson is on live now: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/29/leveson-report-published-and-brooks-and-coulson-in-court-live-coverage
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:36 |
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Well, so it seems that Leveson kept his criticism of politicians and associated hangers-on within bounds to keep the Tories on side. Hunt really should have been skewered, not to mention the entire Coulson debacle.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:38 |
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The report is now available! The Leveson Inquiry Website The Report Direct Link Mirror Executive Summary Direct Link Mirror IRC to discuss is available through mibbit Edit: Mirrored it on my server to be safe Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Nov 29, 2012 |
# ? Nov 29, 2012 14:50 |
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"The report speaks for itself. I will not be making any further comments. The ball is now back in the politician's court" Sounds very much like he was deeply unimpressed when Cameron attempted to drag him in to the Hunt/ commons investigation issue, and wants to avoid being used in the political circus that's starting up. When are Cameron and Clegg's statements?
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:02 |
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The Supreme Court posted:When are Cameron and Clegg's statements? 3pm
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:08 |
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I really want to express my dislike of Lord Hunt of the PCC and hope he gets banished to the appropriate circle of hell.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:11 |
Well, this should be an amusing shitstorm. The question now is how Cameron and Clegg are going to respond. I can already sense the press moving quickly into damage control mode. I wonder which paper will accuse Leveson of being a commie peado first.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:20 |
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Is it fair to characterise Leveson's proposal as statutory regulation one step removed? It sounds like he's recommending a self regulatory body that is itself subject to statutory regulation.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:22 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:If you want to watch it and you're in the UK, then: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/hugh-grant-taking-on-the-tabloids/4od Still can't help but think of this whole scandal as anything other than an elaborate extra series of the Thick of It, and the opening 10 minutes of this doco are just exemplifying this perfectly
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:24 |
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:Is it fair to characterise Leveson's proposal as statutory regulation one step removed? It sounds like he's recommending a self regulatory body that is itself subject to statutory regulation. Any independent body with any kind of teeth would have to have statutory authority. It's a lot of hoohaa about press freedom without realising that in order to be able to achieve anything as a quasi-judicial body it would have to have powers granted by statute.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:25 |
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Any independent body with any kind of teeth would have to have statutory authority. It's a lot of hoohaa about press freedom without realising that in order to be able to achieve anything as a quasi-judicial body it would have to have powers granted by statute. Oh, I'm certainly not against statutory authority for a regulator, it just seems like a bit of a fudge. Why make things more complicated just to pretend that there isn't statutory regulation?
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:29 |
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:Is it fair to characterise Leveson's proposal as statutory regulation one step removed? It sounds like he's recommending a self regulatory body that is itself subject to statutory regulation. No, If anything it is closer to the current model of self-regulation, but with less direct influence from the press themselves. This is combined with a threat that if they don't play ball (Like Richard Desmond pulling his papers out of the PCC) then there will be a 'backstop' of regulation through an independent body like OFCOM.
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Pasco posted:No, If anything it is closer to the current model of self-regulation, but with less direct influence from the press themselves. This is combined with a threat that if they don't play ball (Like Richard Desmond pulling his papers out of the PCC) then there will be a 'backstop' of regulation through an independent body like OFCOM. Underwriting the Independent Regulator with OFCOM is a nice way of having the statutory intervention available, but the likes of the Mail and Star are still going to be crying over it as Stalinist because it fucks over their quite cosy routine of publishing absolute shite. Any bets on how many pages it gets in tomorrows Mail? RIP FREE PRESS and 9 pages I reckon.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:35 |
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I'm disappointed Hunt and Cameron basically got a free ride, but I imagine Leveson was wary of anything that might politicise the report. If Hunt and Cameron get off scot free (all but certain) I'll be angry but if it comes with the press having a significantly improved regulator I'll be mollified.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 15:54 |
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PiCroft posted:I'm disappointed Hunt and Cameron basically got a free ride, but I imagine Leveson was wary of anything that might politicise the report. If Hunt and Cameron get off scot free (all but certain) I'll be angry but if it comes with the press having a significantly improved regulator I'll be mollified.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 16:02 |
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Unsurprisingly, it seems like Cameron's deliberately ignoring/downplaying the statutory recommendations of Levenson, arguing that it would be like "crossing the Rubicon".
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