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They were extremely illegal documents.
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We had all of our controlled documents on microfiche until recently. Ironically the week after the cards were removed a power outage shutdown access to the servers that have the digital copy's.
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# ? Nov 28, 2012 23:57 |
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Jibo posted:Really, in the physical world passwords have been largely phased out by retina scanners, thumb scanners, and RFID fobs. 15 years ago you'd still punch in your password to get into your office or lab or whatever, these days you just wave your magic wand. I can't really think of much outside of computers and ATMs that you use passwords for these days. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the Yubikey become standard. That being said, passwords are not currently obsolete in any way, shape, or form but that's just Wired's propensity towards overstatement and generally lovely articles. I knew a guy who was doing his CS master's thesis on biometrics. He told me to never, ever trust biometrics, even the professional ones, because "all that stupid poo poo you see people do in movies to get past them actually works." Things like taking someone's fingerprint off a glass and making a crappy fake thumb out of it, using a picture taped to a mask to fool face recognition, etc. This is a bit off-topic, but I always tell people who can't remember passwords to make up a password based on parts of something they can remember. For instance, take your favorite song (let's say it's Let It Be by The Beatles), and take the first letter of each word of the first (or your favorite) line: "When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me" -> WIfmitotMMctm Then remembering your password is as easy as reciting your favorite song (that you of course know all the words to by heart). Plus, it makes pretty good "random" passwords and can be extended to arbitrary lengths. For added security, you can put in line numbers, what the song is, punctuation, etc: TB-LiB1WIfmitot,MMctm
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 00:08 |
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Back at school, we defeated the (admittedly) simple face recognition lock on a buddy's Asus laptop by holding a picture of him up to the camera Retinal scans are cool though.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 00:20 |
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movax posted:Retinal scans are cool though. Those can be thwarted, too. Ever see Demolition Man?
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 00:36 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:Those can be thwarted, too. "Dammit, locked out again! Oh, hey, Bob, can I borrow your eyes for s second?"
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 01:29 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:Those can be thwarted, too. Of course. It has educated me on how to obtain toilet paper in the seashell future.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 02:31 |
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I don't like fingerprint recognition- what if someone hacked the fingerprint database and stole your fingerprint and 3D printed it onto a glove and went around committing crimes with your fingerprint left at the scene?
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 02:46 |
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madlilnerd posted:I don't like fingerprint recognition- what if someone hacked the fingerprint database and stole your fingerprint and 3D printed it onto a glove and went around committing crimes with your fingerprint left at the scene? That's the big problem with biometrics. If your password is compromised, change your password. If your thumbprint is lifted, you can't exactly change that. _Sneakers_ illustrates a great way to circumvent those electronic keypad locks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp4LFuFCon0
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 02:48 |
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madlilnerd posted:I don't like fingerprint recognition- what if someone hacked the fingerprint database and stole your fingerprint and 3D printed it onto a glove and went around committing crimes with your fingerprint left at the scene? I've always wondered what would happen if you had a fingerprint scanner on your computer and you injured that finger to the point of it being unrecognizable- even if just for a short time. I sliced my left index finger open with a paring knife while cutting cheese a few weeks ago, there's no way I would have been able to scan it.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 04:34 |
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That's when you enter your password. I use the fingerprint scanner on my phone to unlock it but I can also enter a PIN.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 04:37 |
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NadaTooma posted:Yes, thank you Qotile Swirl! That was fascinating. I'd love to read a whole book about the history of film, similar to your post. Specifically the engineering and mechanics of film itself, that is. Are there any books you'd recommend? It's one of those questions that difficult to phrase in an Amazon search. 9.5mm and other home movie formats are covered in The Home Cinema: Classic Home Movie Projectors 1922-1940, by Gerald McKee, but it's long out of print and rarely turns up used. I think only 350 copies were ever printed -- it's a very niche topic. If you speak French, there's Path: Premier Empire du Cinema. It's also long out of print, but copies can be had if you're willing to pay for them. There are some decent websites online about the technical development of film. Cinematographica is a good one. The site was designed in 1996 and it really, really shows, but it's still a wealth of interesting information. The "100 years of film sizes" page is a great starting point. You can also turn to contemporary literature about the subject, like the 1912 book Moving Pictures: How They are Made and Worked, by Frederick Talbot, or the 1921 book The Film Insutry, by Davidson Boughey. Many can be found on archive.org.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 05:21 |
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When I was in elementary school, a few classrooms had a machine called a System 80. They were outdated even then, as the school had purchased Commodore 64s a couple of years earlier. The programs were on plastic punch cards that you you slid into the slot. From what I remember, the machine was insanely loud and because it was relying on young kids to slide a plastic punch card into a hole, it barely worked. This 1971 article is one of the few I can find about them.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 07:25 |
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BattleMaster posted:That's when you enter your password. I use the fingerprint scanner on my phone to unlock it but I can also enter a PIN. Yeah, I have one of those USB fingerprint scanners that works with XP [doesn't work for anything past XP, it seems] and you either use your fingerprint or ctrl-alt-del and enter a password as usual.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 08:35 |
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Phanatic posted:That's the big problem with biometrics. If your password is compromised, change your password. If your thumbprint is lifted, you can't exactly change that. Phanatic posted:_Sneakers_ illustrates a great way to circumvent those electronic keypad locks:
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cyberbug posted:Years ago I saw an awesome keypad lock, in a university's computer lab door. Every button had a tiny display inside it, recessed so that you couldn't see it except from directly in front of it. When you wanted to enter a code, the keypad would first randomize the order of the numbers. No way you could have shoulder-surfed that code. (And around here doors almost invariably open outwards) And I guarantee that you can get through it by walking up to it with a handfull of papers just after someone opened it and smiling helplessly.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 17:07 |
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spog posted:And I guarantee that you can get through it by walking up to it with a handfull of papers just after someone opened it and smiling helplessly. Yeah, this works a lot. I don't work in an especially high security job, but the upper floor of my building, where most of the corporate offices are - and where I work - is secured by swipe card. I've seen so many people let total strangers in, who I've never seen before, because they simply wait by the door and give a vv kind of look. I don't do it anymore but did a few times. I imagine it's mostly vendors taking tours or maintenance people for our lousy HVAC system, but they need to go through the front desk, drat it!
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TShields posted:I've always wondered what would happen if you had a fingerprint scanner on your computer and you injured that finger to the point of it being unrecognizable- even if just for a short time. I sliced my left index finger open with a paring knife while cutting cheese a few weeks ago, there's no way I would have been able to scan it. spog posted:And I guarantee that you can get through it by walking up to it with a handfull of papers just after someone opened it and smiling helplessly.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 18:03 |
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TShields posted:I've always wondered what would happen if you had a fingerprint scanner on your computer and you injured that finger to the point of it being unrecognizable- even if just for a short time. I sliced my left index finger open with a paring knife while cutting cheese a few weeks ago, there's no way I would have been able to scan it. Most things have you register more than one finger for this exact reason.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 18:23 |
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Shugojin posted:Most things have you register more than one finger for this exact reason. The really clever ones have you register a 'normal' finger and a 'panic' finger. The idea is that if you are being coerced to open a security door, you use your middle finger instead of your index and the door opens, whilst sounding a silent alarm.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I knew a guy who was doing his CS master's thesis on biometrics. He told me to never, ever trust biometrics, even the professional ones, because "all that stupid poo poo you see people do in movies to get past them actually works." Things like taking someone's fingerprint off a glass and making a crappy fake thumb out of it, using a picture taped to a mask to fool face recognition, etc.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 18:51 |
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GWBBQ posted:My department at work had a Dell laptop with a fingerprint scanner. Cuts on my fingers didn't seem to affect it, but every month or two I would have to reregister my prints because it would stop recognizing them. I doubt my fingerprints are changing that rapidly, so at least at the consumer level I wouldn't trust it at all. Even with "better" (more expensive) stuff, I would have to see a lot of convincing evidence before I would trust it. The lingering issue is that fingerprints are by no means as constant, unalterable, unique, or easy to read as a century of mystery fiction would have you believe. Which doesn't mean they're useless, so much as that "Fingerprints are ironclad proof of identity!" is just so rooted in popular wisdom. And that's before how easy it is to bypass it.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 18:57 |
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spog posted:The really clever ones have you register a 'normal' finger and a 'panic' finger. Or, if you're really clever, use your middle finger normally and your index finger for the panic alarm. Then the person coercing you is less likely to think you're using a finger you wouldn't normally use.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 19:46 |
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RC and Moon Pie posted:When I was in elementary school, a few classrooms had a machine called a System 80. We had one of those things at a rural elementary school i went to for about 3 weeks. In 2001 or so
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Jedit posted:Or, if you're really clever, use your middle finger normally and your index finger for the panic alarm. Then the person coercing you is less likely to think you're using a finger you wouldn't normally use. You're too limited in your thinking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGnnNj8l7pI
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spog posted:You're too limited in your thinking: There are two things I will not do. One is follow that link. The other is install a biometric penis scanner.
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 20:39 |
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Code Jockey posted:Is this the first ever video compression technology? Yes! It's a primitive form of RLE
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# ? Nov 29, 2012 22:13 |
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I'm a bit late to the party on the microfilm discussion, but the technology is still alive and kicking. I used to work for a third party service contractor to FujiFilm and they launched a microfilm machine (it basically just exposed the film from digital sources) in the late 2000s. It's definitely a niche market item, primarily used by government agencies and companies that have to adhere to government record keeping standards. The logic behind it is once the film is exposed and developed it is extremely difficult to modify (unlike the digital medium its created from) so it's used as more of a redundant/secure second copy should questions arise regarding the authenticity of the digital originals.
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# ? Nov 30, 2012 01:10 |
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Code Jockey posted:Yeah, this works a lot. I don't work in an especially high security job, but the upper floor of my building, where most of the corporate offices are - and where I work - is secured by swipe card. I've seen so many people let total strangers in, who I've never seen before, because they simply wait by the door and give a vv kind of look. I don't do it anymore but did a few times. I imagine it's mostly vendors taking tours or maintenance people for our lousy HVAC system, but they need to go through the front desk, drat it! True. In my dorm, tons of random people get let in all the time, since it's normal to just sort of stand outside, looking helpless if you want to get into a dorm that your keycard (or lack thereof) can't access. It's come to the point that there are are posters everywhere telling you not to let people you don't know in, but it's polite to hold doors open and I don't know. I do it too, I must admit.
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Not "obsolete" tech, but at my last job we got a prototype biometric face scanner and we were loving around with it. It worked by comparing the distance between your eyes and mouth or something, but when we entered one guy into the system it assumed his nostrils were his eyes. We laughed about it and never told him -- he had to tilt his head in a wacky-rear end direction to get in the door. As far as I know it's entering production.
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# ? Dec 1, 2012 04:28 |
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spog posted:And I guarantee that you can get through it by walking up to it with a handfull of papers just after someone opened it and smiling helplessly. I pretty much rely on this whenever I go to the head office; At worst I've been asked who I'm there to see. There's a list of names by the door so that's a pretty non-secure question.
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# ? Dec 1, 2012 04:40 |
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Not "obsolete" tech, but at my last job we got a prototype biometric face scanner and we were loving around with it. It worked by comparing the distance between your eyes and mouth or something, but when we entered one guy into the system it assumed his nostrils were his eyes. We laughed about it and never told him -- he had to tilt his head in a wacky-rear end direction to get in the door. As far as I know it's entering production. I must have problems, because my first thought was "What is someone has an evil twin??"
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Coffee And Pie posted:I must have problems, because my first thought was "What is someone has an evil twin??" We must get our top scientists on goatee recognition STAT.
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Bobby Digital posted:We must get our top scientists on goatse recognition STAT. Fixed for you
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# ? Dec 2, 2012 00:28 |
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You need to scan the inside of my what?
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# ? Dec 2, 2012 00:30 |
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Nah...the scanner will just measure how far away the ring on your finger is from your rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Dec 2, 2012 01:33 |
I used to work in a casino where the process to get in the vault was pretty impressive. PIN on the first door, swipe card on second door, hand print reader to access a key, radio surveillance to open third door remotely, radio another person inside the vault to open from the inside, then you and the vault person use two keys and another PIN to access the vault within the vault where the money is kept. Despite all our fancy technology, the most effective measure was to involve several separated groups of people to avoid any potential conspiracy. Surveillance wasn't even in the same building. UnfortunateSexFart has a new favorite as of 11:10 on Dec 3, 2012 |
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# ? Dec 3, 2012 10:49 |
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How do you get the first person inside the vault? Serious question.
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# ? Dec 3, 2012 14:21 |
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HardDisk posted:How do you get the first person inside the vault?
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HardDisk posted:How do you get the first person inside the vault? There would probably be someone in there 24/7 from the sealing of the vault. The guy inside comes out when his shift ends and the next guy on shift goes in.
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