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Wendell
May 11, 2003

Frot Lesnar posted:

This video has so many great i.e. bad WCW moments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8RKnSIxQsE

Man, Brain turning around to "pout" was amazing and could have easily been played off as an in-character moment if Tony hadn't reacted like a pissy baby.

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Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.
Watching that series of videos reminded me that Pamela Paulshock existed, so I went looking to see whatever happened to her and she married Roger Lodge of Blind Date fame.

That is a suitably random pairing of non famous celebrities I think.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

Schiavone got worse as time went on. His habit of calling everything a "sidewalk slam" was pretty annoying.

Still better than Vince, though.

bartok
May 10, 2006



nasboat posted:

Schiavone got worse as time went on. His habit of calling everything a "sidewalk slam" was pretty annoying.

Still better than Vince, though.

Tony was never great but going through the WCW archives you can hear him gradually get worse and worse through the years. I actually thought Tony was alright during his short stint in the WWF. I also enjoyed the announce team of Shiavone, Heenan, and Rhodes but only because Dusty and Bobby would make fun of Tony the entire time.

Suben
Jul 1, 2007

In 1985 Dr. Strange makes a rap album.

Wendell posted:

Man, Brain turning around to "pout" was amazing and could have easily been played off as an in-character moment if Tony hadn't reacted like a pissy baby.

I like later on Raven getting a table, Tony calling it a chair, Brain correcting him, and Tenay without missing a beat chiming in with "a chair masquerading as a table here at Bash at the Beach".

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

Schiavone was fantastic at making Wrestling sound like it was a sport, and that's probably because of the whole baseball announcer thing.

He may've been a giant douche, but it's wrestling.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

LividLiquid posted:

Schiavone was fantastic at making Wrestling sound like it was a sport

This is probably the biggest thing I miss about WCW.

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012
Sometimes I miss Schiavone. Actually, I miss the way he used to annoy me. For example, Lawler also annoys me, but he's definitely on a different level than Schiavone.
Just imagine for a second, if you will, the commentator team of JBL and Heenan. One can only dream.

Watching that clip of weird and funny WCW moments reminded me of why I hate Russo, it's because I felt, as a fan, that he was destroying everything I enjoyed about WCW, everything that made it original and different to the WWF.

Sionistic
Apr 22, 2008

We don't need your money!
While JBL Heenan would be fun, after Gorilla/Heenan everything else pales in comparison.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

To be fair, it's cruel to compare any commentary team to Gorilla/Heenan.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I dunno, I think JBL/Heenan could barely squeak out the top spot.

Pretty much neck and neck, though.

Karmine
Oct 23, 2003

If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine.

VogeGandire posted:

To be fair, it's cruel to compare any commentary team to Gorilla/Heenan.

Bobby was the absolute man but I always felt like Gorilla and Jesse had unbelievable chemistry.

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Oct 30, 2009

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Two heel color commentators would be an odd combination, even if both were great.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

oldpainless posted:

Two heel color commentators would be an odd combination, even if both were great.

Waldorf and Statler calling matches would be so brilliant.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

flashy_mcflash posted:

Waldorf and Statler calling matches would be so brilliant.

But that's two babyfaces calling a show full of heels.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?

flashy_mcflash posted:

Waldorf and Statler calling matches would be so brilliant.

And that is why Chet Lemon & Black Snow never returning is a crime against humanity.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
Has this been posted yet? http://www.amazon.com/Bar-Brawler-David-Lee-Abbott/dp/0615658601/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354564663&sr=8-1&keywords=tank+abbott

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Walter Foxx, Happening Beach, California’s most feared bar brawler, works at Sea Lion Beach Liquor at night, attends Wong Beach State College in the day, and dishes out street justice in his spare time to the scumbags, posers, wannabes, and bullies of the world who violate his personal code of honor.

Driving a 1987 Chevy Sprint with his faithful pit bull Adolf riding shotgun, Walter and his twisted crew of Poppa Chulo, Rolando, Big Cal, and Gonzo hold court at the Dead Grunion bar where they take on all comers. When Walter sees a man beating his girlfriend one night and steps in to assist her, he gets punched for his trouble and makes the perp pay. The man has friends in high places, though, and Walter soon finds himself facing felony assault charges that his 600 pound bench-press-fueled fighting skills alone can’t beat.

As he battles liars on the stand and his own hapless attorney John Wittless in a desperate bid to clear his name and avoid prison, Walter struggles to understand what his life means and what his future holds.

Author David "Tank" Abbott, the “Huntington Beach Bad Boy” and the world’s most famous brawler, had over 200 street fights before bursting onto the MMA scene in 1995 when he shocked the world by defeating larger opponents with crushing ferocity inside the cage to become a household name. He later went on to star in the most watched “Friends” episode of all time before becoming a fixture at Ted Turner’s World Championship Wrestling where he quickly became one of its most recognizable and popular personalities.He later returned to the cage with his trademark intensity, leaving an indelible and enduring legacy.

This seminal three-novel work chronicles the adventures of fictional character Walter Foxx, who is at the crossroads of his life and who navigates the harsh worlds of bar brawling and street fighting with the goal of living his dream and following his passion and someday becoming a no-holds-barred fighter. Written from the ultimate insider’s perspective, Tank Abbott takes readers from the parking lot to the cage with a realism and honesty about mixed martial arts never before told or exposed − until now!

I am really not sure what part of that is my favourite

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

It's pointing out that he can benchpress well over 500 lbs

Rousimar Pauladeen
Feb 27, 2007

I hate the mods I hate the mods I hate the mods! I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS! Hey wait a minute why do the mods hate me I'm contributing to the conversation I HATE THE MODS I HATE THE MODS I HA
The most watched Friends episode of all time is my favorite.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

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I think its the cover.

sunsweet
Nov 13, 2012

"Lana look," Rusev pointed out to the screen, "Pinkie Pie just scared Twilight Sparkle shitless! I love America and shit they put on TV!"

Toffile posted:

I think its the cover.

Befor There Were Rules

Incredible, just incredible. Personally, my favourite part of this book is the illustration by Tank himself(!) for the back cover.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004


I hope a copy of this is being held up by a magnet on Tank Abbott's mom's refrigerator.

Writer Cath
Apr 1, 2007

Box. Flipped.
Plaster Town Cop

nasboat posted:

I hope a copy of this is being held up by a magnet on Tank Abbott's mom's refrigerator.

The next shot is zoomed out to reveal that Tank Abbott is bench pressing the refrigerator.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Writer Cath posted:

The next shot is zoomed out to reveal that Tank Abbott is bench pressing the refrigerator.

Someone has written "600 POUNDS" on the fridge in black marker

Strenuous Manflurry
Sep 5, 2006

THE END
Ah yes, the Huntington Beach Bad Boy, Tank Abbot.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

I just noticed he named his dog Adolf

Rousimar Pauladeen
Feb 27, 2007

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Oatgan posted:

I just noticed he named his dog Adolf

There was a problem at one of the early UFCs where he said some racist stuff to Gary Goodridge.

I
Aug 4, 2006

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Abbott's fight record: 10 wins, 14 losses.
I guess real MMA fights are tougher than beating up drunks on the street.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

Oatgan posted:

I just noticed he named his dog Adolf

Him naming his Mary Sue's dog Adolf was the first thing that jumped out to me.

Corzaa
Aug 1, 2006


I posted:

Abbott's fight record: 10 wins, 14 losses.
I guess real MMA fights are tougher than beating up drunks on the street.

See also; Kimbo Slice.

Wendell
May 11, 2003

Strenuous Manflurry posted:

Ah yes, the Huntington Beach Bad Boy, Tank Abbot.

Yeah, I mean, is this real? Because that nickname belongs to someone else entirely.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

Wendell posted:

Yeah, I mean, is this real? Because that nickname belongs to someone else entirely.

Tito is to Huntington Beach Bad Boy as Ric Flair is to Nature Boy.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Wendell posted:

Yeah, I mean, is this real? Because that nickname belongs to someone else entirely.

Tank actively started calling himself that after Tito started using it because Tank A) is also from Huntington Beach B) knew Tito before either of them were in mma C) considered Tito a punk.

Perdido
Apr 29, 2009

CORY SCHNEIDER IS FAR MORE MENTALLY STABLE THAN LUONGO AND CAN HANDLE THE PRESSURES OF GOALTENDING IN VANCOUVER
His own hapless attorney John Witless.

I
Aug 4, 2006

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Corzaa posted:

See also; Kimbo Slice.
4 wins, 2 losses in MMA. He's doing better as a boxer, having won his first 6 fights.

supernothing
May 18, 2004
Buy me a custom title
All of the talk of the "scramble vision" broadcasts, I remember I had a similar situation going on, but the only difference is that in my room I had some black and white TV where I could manually adjust the video tracking or something on the tv, and I remember I could adjust this knob and watch not only the porn networks for free, but I also got the pay-per-view channel for free! AWESOME!

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer
I just reupped for a few months, and I saw the most recent old WO issue was from 10/23/1995. Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but there were a few good WCW tidbits. I thought the thing about the infamous Shawn Michaels bar fight was interesting.

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Numerous stories have evolved stemming from the situation where Michaels, 30, was beaten up and hospitalized. What is consistent in all versions is that Michaels, Davey Boy Smith and 1-2-3 Kid (Sean Waltman) were drinking at a bar in Syracuse, NY near their hotel, coming into town after matches earlier that evening in Binghamton. The wrestlers called for a taxi to take them to their hotel, but the taxis in town were all booked up as it was closing time on a Friday night. One of the bouncers got his girlfriend to drive them back. As the wrestlers left, between eight and ten servicemen (depending upon the report) followed them outside the bar. One of them started calling Michaels a "fag" and another tried to throw a punch at Kid into the car. Michaels either got out of the car or was pulled from the car and the car door was slammed on his head. Michaels ended up being knocked down with several of them stomping him in the head and smashing his face onto the car bumper before Smith and Kid got out of the back seat in the two-door car and got involved in the altercation, whereupon several more guys who appeared to be servicemen showed up. Kid was on the ground wrestling with one of them. Smith dragged off one of the guys who was attacking Michaels, who was helpless by this point. He was leg-dived from behind by a second guy, but ended up quickly getting him in a front facelock and was choking him out when a third guy from behind stuck his finger in the left corner of his eye and tried to pull his eye out. He turned around and began fighting him when what appeared to be an undercover police officer showed up and pulled a gun, sending the servicemen running into two white Ford Broncos where they left the scene.

Smith worked that evening in Syracuse, NY but had scratches on his face and a reddish/black right eye from broken blood vessels in the eye from the fight that was noticeable to fans at the matches. Kid, who wasn't hurt in the melee, worked a match with Bob Backlund that contained absolutely no action. Michaels was taken to the hospital after 3 a.m. that evening, with both his eyes swollen shut and had the side of his face badly swollen and blood coming from his eye and his ear. He needed 10-stitches both above and below the eye to close wounds and sew back on his eyelid that was nearly ripped off, and also may have busted his eardrum. However, Michaels suffered no concussion or broken bones in the face and was released from the hospital in the morning and flew home to San Antonio recuperate. There was no police report of the incident as of press time although the WWF said on television Monday night that a police investigation in Syracuse was going on, nor was it reported in any of the local media. In fact, on Tuesday morning, local police claimed to not even be aware of any such incident. There were reasons potential publicity could be regarded as embarrassing for the WWF, such as not wanting more publicity because of the fact two wrestlers who were wrestling one another were together (Michaels and Smith) and the fact that technically Smith's legal problems regarding an alleged bar incident in Calgary haven't been completely closed. However, it was acknowledged on Raw with Michaels doing an interview from his home talking about the incident in very vague terms. It was acknowledged on Nitro as well with one of Gene Okerlund's sleaziest 900 line come-ons to date (which did result in a record amount of business for any Monday in hotline history) saying how a WWF star came out on the short end of a fight with "a fan," which contrasted with the Raw version being Michaels being jumped by "ten thugs unprovoked" with no acknowledgement of Smith and Kid's involvement for obvious reasons. Michaels on Raw said he would be wrestling in Winnipeg and pretty much said that he wouldn't be nearly 100% for the match.

The WWF has no events scheduled this week, so after missing his Saturday and Sunday bookings (Marty Jannetty was flown in as an emergency replacement and was put over in a Battle Royal to earn a match with Smith and won that match as well. Even when it comes to the heel challenging for the title on a PPV one week later, WWF policy is when there is a main event replacement and in this case, the top two attractions on the show not being there, the sub babyface always goes over so the fans leave less with the feeling of being ripped-off), Michaels' next scheduled match was with Dean Douglas on the Winnipeg PPV. At both weekend shows in Syracuse and Utica it was announced before the shows of the injuries to both Michaels (said to be from an out of the ring altercation) and Undertaker and that a Battle Royal had been added to the shows. Michaels is expected to work the PPV, although that wasn't 100% certain as of press time.

It was actually the second "incident" of the week involving Michaels. At the 10/5 afternoon charity show in Madison Square Garden, Michaels was allegedly confronted by The Blu Brothers in the dressing room. According to the story, Don Harris put a chair against the dressing room door to keep anyone from coming in and Ron Harris snatched Michaels by the throat and held against the wall or shoved him into the wall and Michaels had a scare thrown into him but wasn't roughed up or hurt to the point he missed any dates. The Blu Brothers final night with the promotion was the St. Johns show on 10/9 so no disciplinary action was taken. There are various reports as to the whys of this incident basically stemming from personal disagreements.

Anyway, a bit of WCW stuff: I'm not quite what this is referring to, but it sounds like classic WCW.

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The latest on the Flair-Sting situation is this. The original idea was for Flair, Anderson and Pillman to turn on Sting at Havoc. About a week or so back, Sting changed his mind only three months after the idea was proposed to him and he agreed to do it, thinking it would make him look stupid (some believe it was Lex Luger who talked Sting into this way of thinking). Sting proposed the idea where they try to turn on him but he would escape having outthought them and not get beaten up, which doesn't create much heat coming out of the situation but Sting also does come out looking stupid but he should have nixed it months ago rather than going through with the deal for this long and then changing his mind. The best idea of all would be for Sting to turn, since it would be a big shock, create tons of new potential main event match-ups, and keep Flair as a face since he's the most popular wrestler in the company right now. Of course Sting may never agree to turn, and Flair is dead-set against being a face. Nevertheless, they are going to split up either at Havoc or shortly thereafter.

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The Sheik is pretty much a definite as appearing at Havoc in Sabu's corner. Detroit is being papered like crazy. Anyone who buys a WCW calling card at the local 7-11's gets a free ringside ticket to the PPV show.

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Hogan knocked Vince McMahon, again not by name, on the 10/16 Nitro saying that Hogan was so powerful he makes other promoters cry when they realize that Hogan is more powerful than their "whole stinkin' promotion." I never thought the guy could get more unbearable. Hogan received a songwriters award from SESAC as part of Country Music Week in Nashville for his "American Made" entrance music which is billed as having been written by Hogan, Jimmy Hart and J.J. Maguire. Hogan wasn't present to receive the award, but when it was announced they said the song was played upon Hogan's entrance at every "WWF" event and said Hogan does three to five shows per week drawing 20,000 fans every time out.

Nothing really amazing in this one for the most part, though.

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

Karmine posted:

Bobby was the absolute man but I always felt like Gorilla and Jesse had unbelievable chemistry.

I agree with you. I would put Gorilla and Ventura in a first place tie with Monsoon and Heenan. While Bobby was hilarious, Ventura was much better at explaining the psychology of a match while being funny in his own way.

Looking back on things Monsoon himself was not very good. The only reason he is so highly regarded is because he had the two best color men of all time working with him. Go watch some of Monsoon's work with other guys like Lord Alfred Hayes. Gorilla's weaknesses are much more apparent when he is the one carrying the commentary team.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

Felony posted:

Looking back on things Monsoon himself was not very good. The only reason he is so highly regarded is because he had the two best color men of all time working with him. Go watch some of Monsoon's work with other guys like Lord Alfred Hayes. Gorilla's weaknesses are much more apparent when he is the one carrying the commentary team.

WILL YOU STOP?

I do not want to taint my memories of Gorilla. :(

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HERE'S BACK ISSUE QUOTES!

(From the October 30th 1995 Observer)

So WCW fired Vader, but that isn't what I found interesting about that story:

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White's shoulder injury apparently took place during the 7/16 cage match with Hulk Hogan in Huntington Beach. Midway through the match, Vader's idea was to attempt to debut a shooting star press (kind of a reverse moonsault that has only been done by Jushin Liger and Hayabusa in Japan) that would miss when Hogan would move, however to do that move, your foe needs to be near the corner. Hogan was halfway across the ring and Vader went out with the idea of doing it, realizing there was no way, and in compensating landed in a clumsy senton which destroyed his shoulder. He continued to work on heavy medication for the next two months until the Orndorff incident, at which point WCW suspended him without pay.

Meltzer has to be tripping.

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The other combined show is 11/14 at the Hamamatsu Arena with Muto & Nishimura vs. Flair & Sting (who will have already turned on one another in the U.S. before this show takes place), Hashimoto & Hirata defending the IWGP tag titles against WCW tag champs Harlem Heat, Iizuka & Sasaki vs. Blue Bloods, Yuji Nagata vs. Kurasawa, Yasuda vs. Giant (this should be reminiscent of those great Yasuda vs. El Gigante classics of years past), Masa Saito vs. Anderson, Akira Nogami vs. Badd, Kanemoto vs. Wright for the IWGP jr. title, Chono & Tenzan vs. Nasty Boys and Liger vs. Otani.

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Then the next WCW PPV event will be World War III on 11/26 from Norfolk Scope will be headlined by a three-ring Battle Royal with a giant in each ring, the other two giants being Jorge "El Gigante" Gonzalez with his new gimmick in the Dungeon of Dumb as Yetti, and Ron Reis as T-Rex, who may become the babyface giant. They're going to have to put some amazing lifts in Paul Wight's boots because he's the pushed Giant and the only one that appears to have any charisma, and he's billed at 7-4, while only being about 6-10 legit. Reis is a legit 7-2 and Gonzalez is a legit 7-6 1/2.

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WCW won't be allowing Chris Benoit or Brian Pillman to wrestle on the Stu Hart show on 12/15 in Calgary because WWF wrestlers are appearing on the show. You would think for a show to benefit a guy like Stu Hart that groups would leave politics out of it, but that was asking too much. Bruce Hart, who is largely putting this together, was also interested in using Lex Luger and Randy Savage.

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Hulk Hogan did an interview teasing his heel turn for 1996 by challenging Sting, Savage and Luger and running them all down, and then in perhaps the most tasteless line in a long time, showed his black gloves and black cap saying everyone knows that people can do with black gloves and a black cap in reference to O.J.

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Eddy Guerrero & Mr. J.L. beat Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko in 11:51 when J.L. pinned Malenko after Alex Wright tripped him. Wright was on crutches because his knee was blown out in the match with Benoit about ten days earlier. Since Benoit's gimmick is a crippler, naturally it was lost on everyone in the immense booking committee to credit Benoit with injuring Wright. Wright legit may need knee surgery.

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Main event saw Sting & Lex Luger beat Harlem Heat (who don't become tag champs until the match airs on television on 10/28) when Sting pinned Booker T with a clothesline off the top in 9:50 (*). Luger was terrible and since he was in most of the match, the bout was terrible. After the match, The Giant (who is showing some great charisma) choke-slammed both Sting and Luger. It ended up with Savage trying to make the save but Dungeon of Doom all ran in. Hogan then ran in and he and Savage cleaned house with Hogan knocking the Giant from the ring. I can't believe they aired something to give the Giant vulnerability before the first PPV match. Just as the show went off the air, the giant ice cube exploded with a split-second shot of a guy dressed up in a mummy costume. This was worse than bad Saturday morning television and given the time slot, I don't think a lot of five-year-olds watch Nitro. They didn't even plug one match for the next week's show.

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Although it hasn't happened anywhere else yet, Guerrero is tremendously over with the kids at Center Stage even though he's not being pushed. In fact, traditionally the crowd, since it's all freebies, starts out as full and they try and use Sting last to keep the crowd but it rarely works and the late matches have tons of empty seats. This time, using Guerrero last, nobody left early.

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