|
Orgophlax posted:WHAT to me is the new "THIS IS BORING" chant since it usually happens (now at least) when the crowd is uninterested. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at, I think.
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 19, 2024 13:10 |
|
|
How come Andy Kaufman isn't in the HOF? I'm pretty sure he's the only celebrity inductee hardcore fans won't take issue with.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:13
|
|
|
Saul Goode posted:If wrestlers didn't want to be WHAT-ted.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:25
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:Sometimes it makes it easier to bear if I imagine that Jake Roberts is just standing in the corner of the ring, slowly shaking his head. Every time. Someone cuts a promo. Like this. In that monotone voice. Jake, Roddy and Mick all shed. A single tear.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:27
|
|
|
I like What chants kind of because of how lame and drawn out so many WWE promos are like how the previous poster said they pause every phrase. So if WWE wants them to stop just change the way the promos are cut but if you don't then get used to them. Put on a more consistently exciting product and people will be happier to react the way you want them to.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:29
|
|
|
I think the pauses in promos may have started because of Harley Race and his calm intensity. But his pauses meant something and weren't inserted nonsensically to disrupt flow and automatically make whatever he was saying a bit worse.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:37
|
|
|
getitoffgetitoff posted:How come Andy Kaufman isn't in the HOF? I'm pretty sure he's the only celebrity inductee hardcore fans won't take issue with. Plus I'm sure there are some that think he just made a mockery of the business (even though he really liked and respected it).
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 14:41
|
|
|
Cavauro posted:I think the pauses in promos may have started because of Harley Race and his calm intensity. But his pauses meant something and weren't inserted nonsensically to disrupt flow and automatically make whatever he was saying a bit worse.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 16:16
|
|
Orgophlax posted:Plus I'm sure there are some that think he just made a mockery of the business (even though he really liked and respected it). Is that really a common sentiment? I mean, I'm sure Vince thinks that because it's a thing he didn't come up with. I'd put Kaufman/Lawler as the best wrestling angle of all time, easily. I can't think of anything that seems more 'real', even now.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 16:21
|
|
|
Pauses became regular when promos had to be remembered instead of being improv.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 17:11
|
|
|
Sears Poncho posted:Is that really a common sentiment? I mean, I'm sure Vince thinks that because it's a thing he didn't come up with. When you think about it, Kaufman/Lawler retroactively fits in with Vince's obsession of making wrestling mainstream, so he should be fine with it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 17:14
|
|
|
Ross and Lawler were both in the movie and WWE even covered how Lawler had beef with Jim Carrey on the set, which was a failed attempt at recreating the worked shoot of Kaufman/Lawler.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 17:21
|
|
|
Was there any serious chance of them landing Jim Carrey to do an appearance on Raw or a PPV after that happened? If I remember right, WWE was at it's absolute hottest when that went down, but even so, I can't see them realistically getting an A-list movie star to work an angle with them.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 18:56
|
|
|
TL posted:Was there any serious chance of them landing Jim Carrey to do an appearance on Raw or a PPV after that happened? If I remember right, WWE was at it's absolute hottest when that went down, but even so, I can't see them realistically getting an A-list movie star to work an angle with them. No because they had to do the angle twice to get people to report on it the way they wanted to.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 18:57
|
|
|
I just can't see the WWE ever inducting a dead celebrity who worked for a different promotion. As many people hve said, the HoF is basically a marketing stunt that doubles a a nice way to honor people on good terms with the WWE who contributed to the industry. There's nothing really objective about it, and I don't even hold that against the company.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 19:03
|
|
|
Thauros posted:I just can't see the WWE ever inducting a dead celebrity who worked for a different promotion. As many people hve said, the HoF is basically a marketing stunt that doubles a a nice way to honor people on good terms with the WWE who contributed to the industry. There's nothing really objective about it, and I don't even hold that against the company. I would love to see Tony Clifton give a hall of fame speech though.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 19:15
|
|
|
TL posted:I can't see them realistically getting an A-list movie star to work an angle with them.  I'm just kidding, Rock's not A-list.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 19:22
|
|
|
I totally deserved that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 19:30
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:That's funny because he's a guy I'd single out as not doing that, and as the complete opposite of the WWE promo style. He finished complete sentences and left a brief pause for gravitas. Yeah, Harley's promos were very measured and concise because he's the kind of person who never says any more than he needs to, and it left you with the impression that he was going to straight-up murder anyone who got in the ring with him. Modern WWE promos sound like an Intro to Improv class final project, and Randy Orton used to be especially bad with his delivery. He sounded like he was an eighth grader deepening his voice to impress a girl.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 21:05
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:That's funny because he's a guy I'd single out as not doing that, and as the complete opposite of the WWE promo style. He finished complete sentences and left a brief pause for gravitas. If you take a look at "that promo" everyone always cites, it's about 50/50. It is just one promo though, so I guess I'll take your word for it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 21:12
|
|
|
Cavauro posted:If you take a look at "that promo" everyone always cites, it's about 50/50. It is just one promo though, so I guess I'll take your word for it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 21:30
|
|
|
TL posted:I totally deserved that. Of course, I have a feeling the WWE pays Rock more than he gets paid to do a movie in Hollywood and he doesn't have to show up for the same amount of days. Arnold once showed up to promote End of Days. The WWF immediately gave him a title belt and he got to bitchslap Triple H. Because he's Arnold, Triple H will never get even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-9ibRc91gY
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 21:36
|
|
|
HHH is the worst with those pausy promos. It's bad enough he's basically been delivering the same message for 10 years whenever he gets a mic, can you pick up the drat pace. Rock nailed it with his impression.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 21:57
|
|
|
Paper Jam Dipper posted:Of course, I have a feeling the WWE pays Rock more than he gets paid to do a movie in Hollywood and he doesn't have to show up for the same amount of days. I really, really doubt Rock makes anywhere NEAR as much in WWE as he would make for a Hollywood movie.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 22:06
|
|
|
He's going to be everywhere in 2013. I think at least two of these come out before WM. 2013 Snitch (completed) 2013 The Fast and the Furious 6 (post-production) Luke Hobbs 2013 Pain & Gain (post-production) Paul Doyle 2013 Empire State (post-production) 2013 G.I. Joe: Retaliation (completed) Roadblock
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 22:21
|
|
|
triplexpac posted:I really, really doubt Rock makes anywhere NEAR as much in WWE as he would make for a Hollywood movie. Honestly depends on the movie. I think Forbes claimed Rock made $35M in 2011 and nobody was sure how that broke down. After their terrible breakdown of NHL profits I don't really trust Forbes anymore. I always heard Rock made more than Mayweather did for his Wrestlemania appearance.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 22:24
|
|
|
Paper Jam Dipper posted:Pauses became regular when promos had to be remembered instead of being improv. This is never more obvious than when CM Punk is doing an off-the-cuff promo and the words just flow casually and naturally from point to point. The Miz's two best times on the mic were when he spoke from the heart about how lovely he was treated backstage when he first came to WWE and the time him and Morrison bickered while doing guest commentary on ECW (which many said was to the detriment of the match itself). There is no doubting wrestlers are performers, but most of them sure as hell aren't actors and giving them all the same generic promo doesn't help matters at all.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 22:54
|
|
|
Jerusalem posted:There is no doubting wrestlers are performers, but most of them sure as hell aren't actors and giving them all the same generic promo doesn't help matters at all. I think a huge problem with companies like the WWE bringing in TV script writers is they are used to working with actors who are experienced with having to learn a lot of lines in a short amount of time. They are also used to actors getting a few more takes if things gently caress up. What they should be hiring is soap writers who are used to silly plots, long term storylines, twists beneficial to the viewing audience and taking limited actors (there isn't a James Franco in every soap) and giving them a fuckton of lines that they learn how to recite in short time. If not, WWE should have an actors studio in FCW/NXT. Hell, is there any programs like that at Full Sail? I always remembered hearing that Jon Morrison and the Rock took acting classes while wrestling (Rock took his during his break after being booed out of buildings, before he joined the Nation). Wrestling promos is unquestionably an acting art that may always receive less credit than it deserves. A friend of mine who works/worked as a pro wrestler and a manager is an absolute genius at promos. You give him a setting and an opponent and he'll have a five minute promo on the guy off the top of his head. What's sad is this didn't used to be genius in the wrestling business. Every guy should have had that skill if they wanted to make it to TV. Today you just have to remember some bad lines and hopefully show some personality at the same time. It's sad. I always wondered how Jericho fared with the Groundlings because wrestling and imrpov seem to be a match made to me.
|
|
#
?
Dec 12, 2012 23:30
|
|
|
They say the way you practice is the way you'll perform. That's why the WWE needs to have an acting workshop where the coach says "What?" when you forget your lines or indulge in Shatnerian pause. I am not kidding. This is not a joke. They need to help these guys.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 00:21
|
|
|
Yeah, just get a dozen people to WHAT them, throw popcorn over a railing at them, tell them they suck then have them inevitably brawl with someone else if it's a contract signing. Immersion therapy.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 00:32
|
|
|
Paper Jam Dipper posted:I think a huge problem with companies like the WWE bringing in TV script writers is they are used to working with actors who are experienced with having to learn a lot of lines in a short amount of time. They are also used to actors getting a few more takes if things gently caress up. What they should be hiring is soap writers who are used to silly plots, long term storylines, twists beneficial to the viewing audience and taking limited actors (there isn't a James Franco in every soap) and giving them a fuckton of lines that they learn how to recite in short time. Unless Vince or one of the higher-ups is instructing them to write WWE shows like a sitcom or a soap (wouldn't surprise me), the writers shouldn't be that brain-addling stupid to not realize there are some key differences between those and a wrestling show and adjust accordingly. A huge problem is that they're hiring hacks who can't fulfill their basic job description. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 00:56
|
|
|
To me the phrase and pause promo style seems to be a result of building promos so they can easily be used in recaps and video packages. Take Punk's shoot for example, great promo but it wasnt as easy to pull main points out of for a package like a Cena or Sheamus promo would be.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 01:33
|
|
|
What moves have been specifically banned by the WWE and they don't use then anymore, and who has exceptions on them? I know Tombstones are basically Undertaker only, and Power Bombs are banned except for Ryback I think, but what else?
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 01:38
|
|
|
Flare_knight posted:What moves have been specifically banned by the WWE and they don't use then anymore, and who has exceptions on them? Shooting Star splash is pretty controlled. Piledrivers are pretty much Lawler only and he doesnt even do them anymore.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 01:40
|
|
|
He still teases doing it on screen, but Orton's Punt has been rumored to have been legitimately banned.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 01:41
|
|
|
Bocc Kob posted:Unless Vince or one of the higher-ups is instructing them to write WWE shows like a sitcom or a soap (wouldn't surprise me) I think that's exactly what they do. One thing I really noticed around the time Stephanie took over creative was that they started employing those long "dramatic" soap opera stares after a backstage confrontation. I think it's really lame to have the camera linger backstage after people are done talking when all you're showing is someone awkwardly staring into space or at the floor for what feels like eternity until they fade to commercial or the next segment. I swear I remember reading an interview where Stephanie specifically said they would be introducing more soap opera touches like that, because hey, it's a soap opera for guys!!! 
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 01:50
|
|
|
Thauros posted:He still teases doing it on screen, but Orton's Punt has been rumored to have been legitimately banned.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 02:28
|
|
|
Flare_knight posted:What moves have been specifically banned by the WWE and they don't use then anymore, and who has exceptions on them?
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 03:03
|
|
|
Orgophlax posted:Has Undertaker ever taken part in a comedy segment? Nothing to the degree of Kane I'd imagine, but I'm wondering if he's ever allowed some levity into his character. It's not intentionally funny, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOXDiiSKZVQ 2:40 starts the funny part.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 03:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 19, 2024 13:10 |
|
|
Hockles posted:It's not intentionally funny, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2q8vfuFans This is far funnier.
|
|
#
?
Dec 13, 2012 03:50
|
|
