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Fedule posted:Edge case: Hace posted:Maybe it's just me, but I dunno if "showting" really works here. It's not just you. It could go either way, but I don't really mind it as much as I feel like I normally would. I do enjoy the way you guys implemented the speech though.
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loquacius posted:Hm. Come to think of it, if we're assuming an even 50/50 gender split here like there was in DR1 (if you count Chihiro as a guy), that means the York-alike is probably a dude too. I stand corrected, I suppose. or maybe one of the female students is actually a guy and vice versa for York.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:36
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DaveWoo posted:Well, that's an interesting assertion, Mr... *checks video* Nagito Komaeda? Huh. Maybe he just realized the blatant battle royale homage :iamafag:
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Dec 12, 2012 18:37
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I can't wait for someone to die, (unless it's Teruteru, Nekomaru and Ibuki) because I want to know if the blood is still pink! Also, there seems to be a theme of bandages on the characters (Ibuki, Gundam and Mikan)
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Dec 12, 2012 18:41
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might be wrong, for some reason I keep thinking "Nurse" for Mikan, but guess we'll see soon enough.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:45
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Fedule posted:There are songs about the sea, but none that I can count on being sufficiently well-known to justify referencing. Not even this? It immediately came to mind for me, at least.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:48
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loquacius posted:Hm. Come to think of it, if we're assuming an even 50/50 gender split here like there was in DR1 (if you count Chihiro as a guy), that means the York-alike is probably a dude too. I stand corrected, I suppose.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:50
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Dragonatrix posted:Not even this? It immediately came to mind for me, at least. There's always something. I've never heard it, though. Clearly my pre-school educators were woefully inadequate.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:53
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Xander77 posted:If I'm counting correctly (and my math/gender role skills were always suspect), you'd still have one "extra" girl if that were the case. You're not counting correctly. I kept coming to the same conclusion until I realised that Hinata isn't in the pictures because Hinata is our point of view character.
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Xander77 posted:If I'm counting correctly (and my math/gender role skills were always suspect), you'd still have one "extra" girl if that were the case. Are you operating under the assumption that Kazuichi (sharktooth skaterpunk) is a girl? I don't THINK that's the case, but maybe I'm wrong here. Can anyone who knows things about Japanese names help us out here, or are the names ambiguous? e: Also, question for Oren or anyone else who can read Japanese, is Sonia Nevermind's last name actually a transliteration of "nevermind" or is it the Japanese word for "never mind"? e2: She doesn't LOOK like a Nirvana fan... 
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Dec 12, 2012 18:59
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RentCavalier posted:EDIT: Oh wait, duh. It's his son. Byakyu Togami the Second. That's what I was thinking, too. I'm still not convinced that this Togami is the real deal. I'm even less convinced that Nagito is Naegi, since he's a bit too tall to be our old protagonist. It could be a growth spurt, but remember that two extra years passed before the start of the first game (making a sudden growth spurt less likely). I'm thinking it has to be a red herring. Assuming that there's a 20-year time gap involved, I'm guessing this island trip is intended as a sort of secret "entrance exam" for the new Hope's Peak Academy. After all the damage Junko did to the school and the world, I'm sure a reopened Hope's Peak would want to test the character of its students to prevent another Super High-School Level Despair.
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Dec 12, 2012 19:01
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I wonder, is Gundam an actual legitimate Japanese name, or is it like naming your kid Optimus in the west? Poor Togami.. Another class, another stuffed animal.. How can the same poo poo happen to the same guy twice?
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Dec 12, 2012 19:03
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I'm not convinced that Col. Togami Sanders and Nagito are returning contestants...yet... but for my speculation dollar, I'm more willing to wonder how much more difficult the future murders may be to solve since this group of students are on a large deserted island opposed to a large, but enclosed school. Let's face it; an island means more places, possibly more HIDDEN places to do the dirty deed and there's a ton more ways to dispose of bodies for that matter.
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Dec 12, 2012 19:08
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Nah, what actually happened was that I counted the faces in Apples and Oranges' post and completely ignored the bit where he said we don't have a sprite for Gundam.
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Dec 12, 2012 19:08
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I already want an Ibuki avatar. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 12, 2012 19:22
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Sonia Nevermind's name is a "Who's on First" joke waiting to happen. "Who do you think killed him?" "Nevermind." "Never mind? Someone's dead!" "I don't know why you're shouting, I answered the question."
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Dec 12, 2012 19:23
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That can't be the DR1 Togami. It just can't. I mean, I know dealing with Fukawa on a daily basis has to be insanity-inducing. But.
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Dec 12, 2012 19:26
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...I'm going to miss Syo, I just know it. Well I suppose there's not much room for a serial killer on a deserted island, so...I'll be watching with rapt attention regardless! Perhaps something better than Syo will make itself known! 
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I'm waiting until I like a character to see if I want to shell out 5 bucks for an avatar. Right now, it's either 'get one of the Chihiro avatars from the last thread' which'll take forever to find, or get one of the girl with the demon horns. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 12, 2012 19:29
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legoman727 posted:That can't be the DR1 Togami. It just can't. I mean, I know dealing with Fukawa on a daily basis has to be insanity-inducing. But. Why do you think he'd want to gain weight? To turn Syo off from him!
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BliShem posted:I wonder, is Gundam an actual legitimate Japanese name, or is it like naming your kid Optimus in the west? EDIT: yeah, according to wikipedia the word came from: quote:The Yatate team combined the English word "gun" with the last syllable of the word "freedom" to form the name Gundom. Tomino then changed it to the current title, suggesting that Gundam signified a powerful unit wielding a gun powerful enough to hold back enemies, like a hydroelectric dam holding back floods.[8] Sindai fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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Yeah, Gundam is not a real Japanese name, and "Tanaka" is one of the plainest and most common surnames in Japan. So our ninja/wizard/whatever dude is named the equivalent of "Optimus Smith."
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Queued up some more people for low content posts. No cares about avatars you want, stop congratulating someone on just posting a loving thread and stop speculating on the entire game's plot, we are two loving updates in. edit: And yes, we know someone is gonna die in a murder mystery plot! Stop just guessing who it could be! slowbeef fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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Dec 12, 2012 19:37
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Weird, the Blackout wasn't quite the same as last time. I mean, Hajime sounds like he's malfunctioning lol. also the names....DR2 staff are so.....idk what's the adjective for it. Hajime? Owari? Gundam is lolwut. Teru teru as in Teltel?Cat puns ahoy for Nekomaru I'm sure, but Sonia Nevermind? That's a bit more Grandoise than Celestia Ludenburg for sure. I could not hold a straight face for what looks like our Fukawa x Kirigiri cross over. Peko Pekoyama? lol. I love you DR2~ huh, didn't catch the Makoto Naegi da. nice one guys. Also that Opening gave me Umineko throwbacks. I like. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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slowbeef posted:edit: And yes, we know someone is gonna die in a murder mystery plot! Stop just guessing who it could be! I for one, am looking forward to a game centered around wacky romantic comedy in a sand and surf environment.
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Well, Jesus, if she's going by "Sonia Nevermind" that actually goes a long way to answer my question of "Where's the eerily-similar-to-Celes influence supposed to be?"
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I could buy the "Nagito is Naegi and he is infiltrating Despair Island with Togami" theory. I do think it's odd that Togami would use his real name, but I can imagine the reason is something like this. : Alright Togami-san! We're going to be infiltrating the Super High School Level Despair Island Resort. From now on we should refer to each other by code names. : My codename is Nagito Komaeda. What should I call you? : Naegi please! : I will not sully the Togami family name by hiding it behind some stupid, lazy anagram! : Seriously, "Nagito Komaeda"? Did it take you all afternoon to come up with that one? : ...It took the better part of Thursday. : Yeah... my real name is fine.
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loquacius posted:e: Also, question for Oren or anyone else who can read Japanese, is Sonia Nevermind's last name actually a transliteration of "nevermind" or is it the Japanese word for "never mind"? ApplesandOranges posted:
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SingerOfW posted:It's the transliteration. With a European given name, I wouldn't expect her to have a Japanese family name. After writing a thirty page research paper about post-WWI Japan, I'd have been happy to never see the name Saionji again. (Prince Saionji was a pretty decent person, but you'd tire of anyone after reading a certain amount about them) Knowing Japan, there's probably some horrible anime where all the genro are portrayed as schoolgirls.
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slowbeef posted:Queued up some more people for low content posts. No cares about avatars you want, stop congratulating someone on just posting a loving thread and stop speculating on the entire game's plot, we are two loving updates in. I think because you seemed to take something of a hands-off approach in the last thread, while being very active in posting, people have lost the fear of god. I'm really glad I'm not the only one noticing all the low content posts. This thread has a lot of potential, frankly even more than the last now that orenronen seems more comfortable in his role, and especially with the translation and editor's notes. Reminds me of your Policenauts LP in that regard, too.
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SingerOfW posted:It's the transliteration. With a European given name, I wouldn't expect her to have a Japanese family name. Well, if her name were given as literally the phrase "never mind" in the same language everyone is speaking I dunno how much it really counts as a Japanese family name so much as a slightly-less-obvious pseudonym than the alternative, but thanks for answering my question  e: Also I just realized who your avatar is. Huh. loquacius fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 12, 2012 |
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I was really wondering about that, is Singer's avatar actually Peko? What's the quote from? I thought it was a touhou thing or something.
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Captain Bravo posted:I was really wondering about that, is Singer's avatar actually Peko? What's the quote from? I thought it was a touhou thing or something. (Sorry for the off-topic, Slowbeef.)
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This is going to be like Survivor, except when your torch gets extinguished, you die painfully. Actually that might be a good idea for next season.
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Translation/Japanese Chat with orenronen / 2 Usami's original speech pattern is much like many Japanese mascot characters. It's the so called "verbal tic", where sentence endings are modified in some non-standard way. In Usami's case, she changes the Japanese copula "desu" into "dechu", and the polite verb suffix "-masu" (and its conjugations) into "-machu". Since Usami is a very polite bunny, that happens in virtually every sentence that comes out of her mouth. It's a type of baby-speak you'd expect to hear from a bunny mascot that looks as she does. The first thing that comes to my head when I hear it is Hamtaro, which used the exact same tic constantly. Verbal tics are difficult to translate effectively. If you luck out and get a word that's simply appended to the end of sentences (say, cat girls going "-nya" after everything they say), you can attempt to leave it as is, though that will probably feel wrong to any audience who's not familiar with the phenomenon. If it's something that happens inside syntax, as in our case, you have no choice but to think of a different solution. I tried thinking of professional translations that handled verbal tics successfully. The first one that comes to mind is Kuma/Teddie in Persona 4. Now, Persona 4 is as close as you get to a direct, literal translation in commercial games. And yet, when they translated the "-kuma" Kuma adds to his sentences, they went ahead and made Teddie make constant bear jokes. It works brilliantly, and even though it's not even close in literal meaning to the original text (not to mention it adds a bunch of jokes that weren't there in the original), it captures the spirit of the character perfectly, and became so well known that I stole the gimmick when Monobear went into a -kuma phase in Dangan Ronpa. The second example is from a much more thoroughly localized game. Detective Itonokogiri ends his sentences with a casual, easygoing -ssu, and Gumshoe replicates the feeling by throwing "pal"s everywhere. Since there is an actual -ssu character in SDR2, I will expand on this when we get to them. When we tried to decide how to translate Usami, a speech impediment turned out to be the best solution. Fedule expanded on that in his post, but I'll add that I had my reservations but got to really like it. It helps that it's very easy to imagine Mrs. Sasuga's voice acting out exactly what we did here. Usami also uses a nonstandard first person pronoun, "achishi". It has the "ch" and sounds like something a mascot would say, but it's also an actual archaic first person pronoun - a variation on the Edo-period casual pronoun "asshi".
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Well, the game is pretty much out and out telling us that at least Togami and Naegi are here, between the whole anagram thing and Nagito immediately jumping to "we're going to kill each other on this island!?" And Togami being basically the same but fat. Which makes me question why he's wearing white now. Black is more slimming, Togami! Very interested in why they're there. Maybe to go and defeat more SHSL Despair? I would've figured Kirigiri would be in on that. Although that Pekopeko whatever her name was girl does have her same hair color I think. Though the eyes are a different color. I really hope GUNDAM TANAKA survives for awhile. With a name like that it's literally impossible not to be awesome.
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ooooh, I already like a lot of the cast. I can't wait to see how they interact, though, because that's really where the magic happens. Some of the best moments in the DR1 LP were just random interactions between different characters. I have no idea what's going on with Not Naegi, but he is Not Naegi, because he is too tall and muscular. Naegi was a shrimp. Nagito is pretty goddamn tall. How do you possibly explain an implausible height growth, other than bizarre sci-fi shenanigans? Ergo, I will continue to think Nagito is just an hilarious red herring until proven otherwise. 
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EdgeryWorthy posted:Well, the game is pretty much out and out telling us that at least Togami and Naegi are here, between the whole anagram thing and Nagito immediately jumping to "we're going to kill each other on this island!?" And Togami being basically the same but fat. Which makes me question why he's wearing white now. Black is more slimming, Togami! Assuming that is Togami at all. Not everyone is using their real names (Celestia in the first game, and Sonia Nevermind? Come on), so it's not too outlandish to consider this is just someone using Togami's name. He could be a SHSL Impersonator, imitating Togami's speech patterns and mannerisms. I have no idea WHY someone would do that, or why they'd impersonate Togami of all people, but it's not quite so off-the-wall as "everyone's a computer simulation" or some of the other possibilities noted so I'm keeping it in the back of my mind for now.
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I can't really find anyone I hate so far in this cast. Which is weird because in DR1 I hated Maizono the moment she opened her mouth.
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