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Originally I was going to re-iterate my theory that this was a computer simulation. That Headmaster Monobear was trying to understand why Junko's overt despair just didn't work, and it's come to this: he's broken everyone apart and mixed them back together in different ways, reversed everything as it originally was (Sealed up school? Now a tropical island! Sadistic bear overlord? Now maternal bunny overseer! Despair? Nope, it's all about hope and getting along now!), all for the purpose to try and understand Hope, why it beat Despair, and how to make Despair as strong and despairing as it could be, so it can beat Hope, which he'd unleash on the REAL cast. The way Nagito shoved in his lines about Hope just seemed to reinforce my position. Then Gundam opened his mouth, and I'm right back to square one, because I don't think ANY kind of character blender in a computer simulation could create THAT.
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MadRhetoric posted:Western comics (Amecomi) are actually pretty well-known in Japan, and have a similar cultural cachet to manga in, say, America. It wouldn't be too farfetched for a (seemingly) normal high school kid to make that reference. It's also a funny as hell line. Your supervillain seething is justified, Fedule. I think the bigger problem is that it changes the joke. With the Doctor Doom part Nagito reacts to how silly Gundam is. It's funnier (at least to me) and apparently closer to the original intention when Nagito compares him to a such a family friendly character.
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The Devil Tesla posted:I think the bigger problem is that it changes the joke. With the Doctor Doom part Nagito reacts to how silly Gundam is. It's funnier (at least to me) and apparently closer to the original intention when Nagito compares him to a such a family friendly character. Beyond that, the Dolittle comparison, in isolation, is a compliment. But the same Dolittle comparison, immediately after the Doom comparison, instead comes across as a put-down. Really, as much as I joke about having a supervillian style meltdown over the supression of ~my humour~, it was a pretty sensible decision. ...but I really liked that line!
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I do wonder why Monobear hasn't turned up yet. It's not as if the game makes no reference - he's on the company logo splash screen. I'm feelin' that he'll appear once we have all of the introductions. Maybe be the 'enforcer' of punishments, in case someone decides to... litter. I actually like Gundam a smidge less now that I know what he does. I don't know what I could possibly be hoping for (SHSL Ninja would never have been a thing), but him rearing rare and dangerous animals would definitely explain his scar, and why he keeps one arm padded with bandages. That, and the BF has a similar career, so I am going to tease him with Gundam Tanaka jokes all the drat time now. I love Souda's neon-as-gently caress design. If I was a terrible person I would say it reminded me of that one Chip/Electro artist who's depicted as a neon anthropomorphic shark (I don't know either), but I'm not a terrible person, so.
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Six Of Spades posted:I do wonder why Monobear hasn't turned up yet. It's not as if the game makes no reference - he's on the company logo splash screen. Wouldn't that be the ultimate subversion of expectations? Monobear doesn't appear at all in the game. I wouldn't know whether to feel disappointed or absolutely amazed. If he does appear, I have to wonder how he's going to show up, anyway. Is he really more powerful than a teleporting wizard bunny?
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4th Asclepiadean posted:I wouldn't know whether to feel disappointed or absolutely amazed. How about... DESPAIR.
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So I completely ignored the original Dangan Ronpa thread. I know I went into it once at the beginning, looked it over, and decided not to bother with it. Then this one came up. I thought hey it's the sequel maybe I should check it out. Now that my four days of blowing through the other thread are over (holy poo poo what the hell did I just read), I now have to decide if I want to follow this in bite sized chunks or wait til then end and then devour it like I did the last one. ... I can't believe they ended the last game without telling us what the Cataclysm was, or if Junko was lying about the outside world. And I really doubt this game is going to answer those questions.
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Odds are, since it's a prequel, the Worst, Most Despair-Inducing Incident in the History of Mankind (I can't believe I remember that) will be one of the primary focuses of Dangan Ronpa/Zero, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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E: sorry, ignore this post, my phones loving up so I'll try and use a real computer next time
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MadRhetoric posted:Western comics (Amecomi) are actually pretty well-known in Japan, and have a similar cultural cachet to manga in, say, America. It wouldn't be too farfetched for a (seemingly) normal high school kid to make that reference. It's also a funny as hell line. Your supervillain seething is justified, Fedule. Not in my experience. Sure, people know who Superman, Batman and Spider-man are, but that's based on their cinematic appearances and I doubt anyone beyond the most devoted americanphile can name any minor characters. There are probably less than a dozen shops selling American comics in all of Japan - I know of just a single one in Tokyo. It's a small store. Some major works have been translated into Japanese and sold in bookstore. Things like Watchmen and The Dark Night Returns. They're thick, expensive hardcover books that I doubt sell a lot. In short, American comics are the nichiest of niche products. People know they exist, but very very few know the exact details of what's in them. All other knowledge is based on the characters in other media. Stoat posted:Oren do you type out the Japanese script at all? If there was a way to get my hands on those that would be awesome. I have a script dump of the game I make use of. It's very raw, though - it doesn't even give the speaker's name next to every line.
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TKMobile posted:Gremlins/imps/brownies/little people have had presence in alot of folklore way, waaaay before WWII but gremlins themselves waere associated with that time period as a pack of devilish imps who hosed up planes in mid-air. If the reference is intentional, it's pretty legit. The concept of gremlins bears some resemblance to earlier faerie folklore, but they were invented whole cloth by WWII-era airplane crews. It's an entirely modern day mythology. I have no idea if the idea ever penetrated into Japan, but Souda's official art is definitely pretty impish. His appearance is pretty over-the-top, so I do wonder if there is supposed to be some kind of reference or significance considering it doesn't really seem to mesh with his personality.
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TKMobile posted:While Gundam Tanaka destroyed all expectations, I really find Souda the more interesting character for how laid back and congenial the dude was acting despite looking like Shark the Mechanic. He is, but that might be because he doesn't know about the whole 'killing other people' thing. Once that happens, he might go on the mother of all freakouts, and depending on how far his mechanical skills go, he might be able to commit near-untraceable murders via remote controlled vehicles or something. Either that, or he's killed early on to make a point/kill off a potential threat. As for Gundam- drat, I expected a strong, silent Goth and got the most kosher ham this side of Norio Wakamoto. I'm hoping he survives too, but his skill over animals, plus the fact that the group's on a desert island (presumably with wildlife) has me pegging him as a murderer too. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Is there anyone here who can fly a plane? Just because the mechanic could install an engine doesn't mean he can fly a plane. Is there any fuel for the plane? Even if they found fuel and a pilot, which way is home? They can't just fly in a random direction and hope they're heading for a friendly port. Maybe not, but there might be boats on the island- are there any ports on the given map? He might be able to put together a working boat/ship, especially considering the high technology needed to keep a Mono-facility running- remember all those gizmos and gadgets from Hope's Peak itself?
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Aw, Gundam and I have the same birthday.  Now I'm wondering if there'll be some animal-related murder on the island, although I guess that depends on whether or not there will actually be any animals on the island. Also, I'm thinking that Hope will get infected by Despair at some point. It would be much more despair-inducing for Usami to get turned evil at some point (whether by Super High-School Level Despair or someone else) than for her to secretly intend for them to kill each other all along.
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I'm just waiting for Usami to straight up murder someone for some minor slight, perhaps littering, because "they were disturbing the lifestyle full of wuv and peace we were estabwishing on the island". This has to go horribly off the rails somehow.
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^^^ Ahahahaha. What's that game? I think Souda would live through the first chapter since his ability would be quite useful storywise or in a murder scheme. Gundam, on the other hand, will probably end up being a murderer because those hamsters seen to be perfect accomplices.
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Jeek posted:I think Souda would live through the first chapter since his ability would be quite useful storywise or in a murder scheme. Gundam, on the other hand, will probably end up being a murderer because those hamsters seen to be perfect accomplices. I gotta disagree on that latter point; Gundam is too insane to be an interesting murderer. Part of DR1's pathos was that the murderers all had perfectly understandable reasons for what they did - fear, rage, greed. While I suppose there's no guarantee that DR2 will keep to the same formula, having a nutball1 commit murder for nutball reasons doesn't carry that same emotional edge. Gundam is most likely going to be either DR2's Ishimaru or DR2's Syo. Souda is more interesting. Like people said, he's very laid-back. He could be a murderer or a survivor. I'd be surprised if he was a victim, but it's possible. I agree he'll probably survive the first round. Nagito is suspicious as gently caress. My first reaction to him in this update is, "This is how Junko saw Naegi." He's a parody of SHLS Hope, a straw man set up to mock the very concept. 1: hee hee
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Fedule posted:This was followed by some brief brainstorming that ended up wondering whether this could be worked into a Steve Irwin reference of some kind (him being a fellow celebrity animal specialist). Wouldn't "he's our own Steve Irwin!" have been perfectly fine? The Dr.Doom/Dr.Doolittle line is great, but it's another degree removed from your original idea and makes less sense once you get rid of the Dr.Doom part. I feel like between Steve Irwin and Dr.Doolittle, Steve is a better fit.
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Gabriel Pope posted:I have no idea if the idea ever penetrated into Japan, but Souda's official art is definitely pretty impish. His appearance is pretty over-the-top, so I do wonder if there is supposed to be some kind of reference or significance considering it doesn't really seem to mesh with his personality. According to interviews with the development staff, Souda's looks were inspired by X Japan's hide. If you aren't familiar with him, the photo on Wikipedia isn't very good, but do a Google image search and the similarities become obvious.
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Alien Arcana posted:Part of DR1's pathos was that the murderers all had perfectly understandable reasons for what they did - fear, rage, greed. While I suppose there's no guarantee that DR2 will keep to the same formula, having a nutball commit murder for nutball reasons doesn't carry that same emotional edge. I get what you're saying, but it still weirds me out putting the bishie vampire castle in the "perfectly understandable" category.
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Tombolo posted:I get what you're saying, but it still weirds me out putting the bishie vampire castle in the "perfectly understandable" category. Okay granted her goal was pretty far out there, but she wasn't delusional. Her motive was essentially "I have a dream, and I need lots of cash to make it happen (and also I need to get the hell out of here)." Celes was utterly self-absorbed, but selfishness is a normal human trait.
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Fedule, I love the work you're doing with this, and absolutely respect the dedication you and Oren have put into this let's play. Which is why it kills me to be a party pooper and complain that I find your personal commentary running through the actual LP posts (not your editorial postscripts which are tons of fun to read) to be a little much. It's not that I hate the content of your commentary or think it's stupid, but it pulls me out of the flow in a way that Oren's more conservative commentary doesn't and I can't honestly say I believe it adds much. Oren will make personal remarks every now and then, but they're rarer, and with two people making them it just feels a bit like too many cooks in the kitchen. Just this humble content leecher's opinion  Regardless, thanks again for the work you're doing on this.
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Tarranon posted:Fedule, I love the work you're doing with this, and absolutely respect the dedication you and Oren have put into this let's play. I actually totally agree with you. I think Fedule's translation notes are really interesting, but the mid-update lines of "Woah, what's going on here!?" seem really jarring and out of place.
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I actually completely disagree. Fedule makes those little commentary additions when going through blind. I think it adds a little bit of a two-man back and forth video LP vibe to what is otherwise a pretty sparsely commented on screenshot LP (besides the trial segments). Which, when done right, is really good.
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JT Jag posted:I actually completely disagree. Fedule makes those little commentary additions when going through blind. I think it adds a little bit of a two-man back and forth video LP vibe to what is otherwise a pretty sparsely commented on screenshot LP (besides the trial segments). Which, when done right, is really good. I figured that was the void he was, maybe instinctually, filling. And I can dig on that when I feel chemistry, but as it stands if Fedule took his comments and just posted them after Oren's posts (Not that I'm saying this would be a good idea), it would read the same to me. Less as a back and forth, more commentary on the LP that you get to read while you're going through the LP. Again, not a big deal or horribly obnoxious, I just think it's less ideal than the previous LP style. I'm adaptable either way so if I'm in the minority I'll just get used to it.
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JT Jag posted:I actually completely disagree. Fedule makes those little commentary additions when going through blind. I think it adds a little bit of a two-man back and forth video LP vibe to what is otherwise a pretty sparsely commented on screenshot LP (besides the trial segments). Which, when done right, is really good. I agree with Tarranon. There isn't really a back and forth with Oren and Fedule's comments, so having someone comment on the LP blind doesn't really add anything when the audience is blind as well.
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JT Jag posted:I actually completely disagree. Fedule makes those little commentary additions when going through blind. I think it adds a little bit of a two-man back and forth video LP vibe to what is otherwise a pretty sparsely commented on screenshot LP (besides the trial segments). Which, when done right, is really good. We're the ones going through blind, we're capable of commenting ourselves and the old thread's amount of commentary was just right. If anything it demonstrates how the whole back-and-forth thing can be good in a video LP and completely irritating in a screenshot LP.
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Alien Arcana posted:Nagito is suspicious as gently caress. My first reaction to him in this update is, "This is how Junko saw Naegi." He's a parody of SHLS Hope, a straw man set up to mock the very concept. Hence why I'm not fully convinced our not-Naegi isn't just Junko in disguise, a super high-school level strawman.
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You know, I am an SHSL critic if you need my services. And again, I appreciate all the hard work Fedule is putting in, so I promise this is coming from a good place. I don't mind the concept of Fedule's "not in the know" interjectons vs. oren's "in the know"... but the execution... I think it's a good idea in general, but right now the commentary's too vague. It's so vague, it doesn't add anything because I don't know what the hell he's referring to half the time. I'm fine with Fedule encountering Nagito and giving his interpretation of things, but: "Are they... are they really doing that?" "Wow, they really are." "I can't believe this." Just aren't really communicating what he's thinking about it. (Those were paraphrased examples; here's some more specific stuff.) From update 2: Tutorial posted:But that's not all! Should you press the triangle button, a mysterious power will reveal to you the places you can interact with. Fedule posted:That does sound super-useful. Looks like they’ve learned a lesson! Your joke is one sentence too late, and I'm not really sure what you meant. In fact, I think if you had broken up the tutorial text just to interject it, it would've been fine and helped the delivery. But it's stil; vague. Are you referring to the fact that the "Investigation" power-up wasn't immediately available in the PSP version of Dangan Ronpa 1? Maybe it threw me because the game moved onto "we recommend you explore this beach" but I wasn't sure what joke you were making. I don't think a whole lot of us remembered the Investigation power-up in general because it's a gameplay thing oren mentioned once and never referenced again since, after all, he knew what items to get. Here's another that threw me: Game: Super High-school Level Good Luck: Nagito Komaeda Fedule posted:... Okay, I don't mind this. It seems like it could be a good setup for something. But then... you don't say anything until the Student ID cards when: "Hajime Hinata Height: 179cm / Weight: 67kg / Chest: 91cm / Blood type: A Birthday: January 1 Likes: Kusa-mochi Hates: Sakura-mochi Title: Super High-school Level ??? A mochi is a type of Japanese confectionery. It’s basically a rice dumpling, often filled with some kind of paste (usually made of red beans). Kusa-mochi (lit. grass mochi) is made with mugwort leaves. Sakura mochi is made and decorated with cherry blossom leaves. " Fedule posted:Blood types! They are learning! First up, the joke's again too late. I've moved on from seeing "Blood type: A" to the other stats and then the translation note about the "mochi." But a bigger problem? I've read that like 3 times and I have no idea what you're talking about. What are they learning? Why is including blood types better than not including them? I mean, I kinda remember they didn't include blood types in the first game, but... I don't get how that's useful information either way. Right after it? "Nagito Komaeda Height: 180cm / Weight: 65kg / Chest: 84cm / Blood type: O Birthday: April 28 Likes: Beautiful things Hates: Loud places Title: Super High-school Level Good Luck" Fedule posted:Permit me to save you all some time; don’t bother looking it up. Carry on. I don't think anyone knew what you meant; tons of people looked it up afterwards. Honestly, I never bought into "Nagito really is the same person as Naegi" so for me, it took a bit to understand what you were talking about. Just be clearer. Hell, it might even feel like you're talking down to us, but rephrasing it like: "Permit me to save you all some time; his card stats don't match Naegi's. Carry on." Lets me know what you're talking about. Similarly, when Nagito mentions looking up the other students on the web: Fedule posted:Oh, for - they’re doing this deliberately, aren’t they?! I'm still not sure what you mean. If you mean "They're drawing even more parallels between Nagito and Naegi," then I guess so. You're not doing bad things in the general case, I just think you need to stop assuming "I'm (mentally) there with you." edit: I feel like a bit of a dick since I've done nothing but criticize you so far. I think you're both doing fine, and it's hard to compliment either one of you, since it's hard to know who's writing what. I like your editorial notes a lot, and I hope I'm not coming across as some know-it-all wannabe writer type. The Doom/Dolittle line was very good. slowbeef fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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slowbeef posted:You know, I am an SHSL critic if you need my services. And again, I appreciate all the hard work Fedule is putting in, so I promise this is coming from a good place. He does this in all the FE threads he guests in, too. It's more or less reacting to poo poo as it happens and carrying on conversations from the thread in the actual posts of the LP. Works a lot better in the FE threads where the story stuff is at the start and end and most of an update would be gameplay stuff, so having interjections that weren't about moving this unit to this spot to do this thing was refreshing. Fedule, wisely, realized that he'd have to cut it way back for this thread, but he's still in the same mindset of "everyone who is reading the LP is reading the whole of the thread, too!" which isn't true now that we're in a thread hurtling towards having 100 pages before 2013 (ie about two weeks), so his comments kinda feel like he's thread posting in the LP posts. (and this thread so far hasn't exactly had the highest quality of posts) Which is fine since you can just ignore everything he says and not miss anything. His comments carry zero importance and are mostly harmless, so them making no sense doesn't really warrant more than a "dude, try to make more sense" EDIT: OR, you could use it as a barometer of bad posting! "If your post reads like something Fedule already wrote in the LP, reconsider reposting it again since he already posted it for you in the LP itself" A new, innovative way to streamline which posts to probate! EDIT2: I'm sorry that was uncalled for. SatansBestBuddy fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Skunkrocker posted:So, despite someone's (Fedule) insistence that we don't look up the character cards from the previous game, I did it anyway. Yes, Naegi doesn't match up in measurements to Not-Naegi, but that's not why I'm posting. I would love to see Hagakure again since he was my favorite surviving character from the last game - well, okay, they were all my favorite character by the end - but I really don't think he's Komaeda. I mean, here's a side-by-side comparison of the two.  Even if they're the same height, Hagakure and Komaeda have completely different features, face shapes and eye/skin colors. Unless there's a super high school level plastic surgeon roaming the post-apocalyptic world, it seems pretty much impossible that Hagakure would be able to change his appearance that drastically. Komaeda's eyes remind me a tiny bit of Junko's, though.  But I'm not sure if that will ultimately mean anything or if it's just a consequence of having the same character designer.
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Rosa Gallica posted:But I'm not sure if that will ultimately mean anything or if it's just a consequence of having the same character designer.
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Jeek posted:I think Souda would live through the first chapter since his ability would be quite useful storywise or in a murder scheme. Gundam, on the other hand, will probably end up being a murderer because those hamsters seen to be perfect accomplices. I still don't see this. Maybe I don't have enough imagination, but it seems like any animal-based murder would be really obvious. "Covered in hundreds of tiny bites, I wonder who could have done it?" Or even if it's not that blatant, there's bound to be some stray furs left around the crime scene. If nothing else, no matter how well you train an animal, it's still not going to be sentient or capable of manipulating complex tools, which really limits one's options. While there's the possibility that his ability is as far beyond real-world animal training techniques as, say Chihiro's was beyond real-world computing, I don't recall any instance where something like that was directly relevant to a murder. The closest thing that comes to mind was Leon using his skills to dispose of the evidence in the first case, but even then it wasn't a perfect shot. In other words, since the murders are mostly "fair-play", a core component of a murder being "he was able to train these hamsters to slit the guy's throat without any evidence" would violate that. What I think is more likely is someone trying to frame Gundam. Scattering fur around the corpse, using something like a staple remover or nail clipper to leave marks similar to small animal bites, etc.
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Rosa Gallica posted:Komaeda's eyes remind me a tiny bit of Junko's, though. This may just be my paying too much attention to eyes after the eye-color-based Junko revelation at the end of last game, but I've noticed that a good portion of the cast have large, pale eyes very similar to Junko's in appearance, just in varying shades. Nagito and Hinata both have eyes like that, and so do a good chunk of the female cast, with Sonia Nevermind's probably most obvious (because she looks a lot like Junko anyway). I don't think this really means anything, but it's a detail that struck me this time around.
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Rosa Gallica posted:Komaeda's eyes remind me a tiny bit of Junko's, though. Looking at this pic, I think Junko's eyes are slightly more blue, but it's not by much. What struck me about the pic is that the lower parts of Nagito's hair are the same shade of pink as Junko's hair. Might just be the pic though, I've looked over the updates for Nagito and while the talking sprites have a washed out shade of pink, not all pictures of him have that. It might just be the picture, or shadows or something.
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