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It's funny because "walk around a big empty map doing MMO quests" is actually a pretty good description of Fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim...pretty much every open-world RPG that isn't New Vegas. New Vegas is actually pretty bad at the 'dungeon crawling and doing shallow meaningless quests' thing because most of the quests are long, involved, feature a series of choices and tie into the game's main narrative.
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rope kid posted:Pretty close. Characters could get out one dialogue (if they were behind a door or immediately after a transition), but no one could be marked as immortal (other than kids) and designers had to design their quests assuming that players killed every NPC as soon as they were able to pull a trigger. It is a pity that the engine did not really allow for destroyable terrain or structures minus some type of scripting. Because in my last play through, I ended up doing that horrible quest with the teddy bear for the first time, and I felt that more justice was required. I have played many games and that quest which is so easily missed is a standout gem for really challenging the player and the character at the same time with doing the right thing, no matter the roleplaying that they have constructed for themselves.
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Dec 20, 2012 04:33
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Are there any enemies that use the Stealth skill, or is the player the only one who can sneak?
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Dec 20, 2012 04:58
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rotinaj posted:Are there any enemies that use the Stealth skill, or is the player the only one who can sneak? Nightstalkers and Nightkin kinda, and some White Legs actually try to sneak up on you. And you have to turn up the sound pretty loud to even hear the footsteps of an approaching deathclaw 
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Dec 20, 2012 05:04
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You'd never know if you had ED-E with you though
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Dec 20, 2012 05:27
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Rex Deckard posted:It is a pity that the engine did not really allow for destroyable terrain or structures minus some type of scripting. Because in my last play through, I ended up doing that horrible quest with the teddy bear for the first time, and I felt that more justice was required. Not asking for plot twist reveals, but is that the Boomer girl who just randomly asks if you can find her teddy? I don't even recall that showing up in the quest log, and they give you absolutely no hints about where you could find it. Wolfsheim posted:And you have to turn up the sound pretty loud to even hear the footsteps of an approaching deathclaw Hearing that roar and lunge out of nowhere still terrifies me every time it happens. Mainly because it's usually followed by 3 or 4 more, at a time.
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Dec 20, 2012 05:39
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Tewratomeh posted:Not asking for plot twist reveals, but is that the Boomer girl who just randomly asks if you can find her teddy? I don't even recall that showing up in the quest log, and they give you absolutely no hints about where you could find it. I think there's also a teddy-bear-related Legion mission, there's a little kid at the fort for some reason who isn't doing the whole Legion-training thing. Never done it though, I usually don't mess around there for too long (except on the rare occasion when I just decide to flip out and murder everybody)
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Dec 20, 2012 06:00
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rotinaj posted:Are there any enemies that use the Stealth skill, or is the player the only one who can sneak? I swear I've seen someone sneaking. Though I think that the Oblivion AI mostly has NPCs sneak in the context of "stealing things" rather than in combat and that's rarely used because it's one of those "radiant AI" things that can cause problems for the player. The NPC might snatch up things that the player might otherwise want, or the NPC could get caught and killed. StandardVC10 posted:I think there's also a teddy-bear-related Legion mission, there's a little kid at the fort for some reason who isn't doing the whole Legion-training thing. Never done it though, I usually don't mess around there for too long (except on the rare occasion when I just decide to flip out and murder everybody) Oh man, I was looking for ways to impress the Legion without committing to their questline and learned about that one and... even though it's so "trivial" I just couldn't do it. Nope. Gonna go pop the heads off some NCR rangers for their dog tags instead, thank you.
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Dec 20, 2012 06:04
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StandardVC10 posted:I think there's also a teddy-bear-related Legion mission, there's a little kid at the fort for some reason who isn't doing the whole Legion-training thing. Never done it though, I usually don't mess around there for too long (except on the rare occasion when I just decide to flip out and murder everybody) There's also an NCR mission searching for some missing settlers, one of the kids had a teddy bear.
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Dec 20, 2012 06:09
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Falls Down Stairs posted:I swear I've seen someone sneaking. Though I think that the Oblivion AI mostly has NPCs sneak in the context of "stealing things" rather than in combat and that's rarely used because it's one of those "radiant AI" things that can cause problems for the player. Beagle sneaks if you don't recruit him after freeing him. I have no idea if it actually does anything, but it's definitely a sneak animation. I think the Powder Gangers in the prison do too if you tell Eddie the NCR is coming.
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Dec 20, 2012 07:35
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StandardVC10 posted:I think there's also a teddy-bear-related Legion mission, there's a little kid at the fort for some reason who isn't doing the whole Legion-training thing. Never done it though, I usually don't mess around there for too long (except on the rare occasion when I just decide to flip out and murder everybody) Yeah. Sgt Teddy. You can find her bear and give it to her for good karma or tear it up in front of her face for evil karma and legion fame. First time I did that quest I, for the sake of curiosity, did it the Legion way. I reloaded a save immediately after and went back to bring my buddy Boone. Everyone should do at least one Legion run. The LR Legion bits are nice and the top tier Legion quests are some of the best in the game but, sometimes, it is just too easy to want to wipe them from the earth.
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Dec 20, 2012 09:18
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kingturnip posted:I dunno. I loving hate 99% of escort quests, so at least them dying straight away prevented me from wasting x hours trying to keep them alive. Then you should have the choice to let them die and have HH play out the way it normally does.
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Dec 20, 2012 09:30
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Tewratomeh posted:Not asking for plot twist reveals, but is that the Boomer girl who just randomly asks if you can find her teddy? I don't even recall that showing up in the quest log, and they give you absolutely no hints about where you could find it. I'm guessing he's referencing The Coyotes quest out of Aerotech Office Park, which is one of the more disturbing quests I've ever seen in a video game, and involves a teddy bear. Side quest spoilers: Two NPCs out of West Side, Dermot and St. James, are secretly slavers who go after refugees to sell them to Fiends to get raped to death, chopped into dog food, or just set on fire for shits and giggles. Dermot raped a little girl in front of her family, then kept her teddy bear as a souvenir. St. James kept guard. You can question a prostitute that lives in the same apartment complex as those guys, and with the right speech skills she will tell you that while she's laying on her back earning her prostitution money, Dermot just stares at that teddy bear on the head board. Once you have the evidence of what they've been doing, you get the choice of turning them in or killing them. I've done that quest three times, and I've never turned them in. Just straight up killing them doesn't quite feel like doing enough, and I feel like I should have the option to torture them before killing them. And I'm the type of guy who's opposed to the death penalty and torture. It's a seriously hosed up quest. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 10:37
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Von_Doom posted:Yeah. Sgt Teddy. You can find her bear and give it to her for good karma or tear it up in front of her face for evil karma and legion fame. First time I did that quest I, for the sake of curiosity, did it the Legion way. I reloaded a save immediately after and went back to bring my buddy Boone. Everyone should do at least one Legion run. The LR Legion bits are nice and the top tier Legion quests are some of the best in the game but, sometimes, it is just too easy to want to wipe them from the earth. I've tried to do a legion run a few times but I seem to be constitutionally incapable of not shooting sexists and slavers. I've never been able to leave the fort without murdering Caesar and every Legionnaire in the place. I only wish there was some way to free the slaves there when you do this.
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Dec 20, 2012 10:54
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thrakkorzog posted:I'm guessing he's referencing The Coyotes quest out of Aerotech Office Park, which is one of the more disturbing quests I've ever seen in a video game, and involves a teddy bear. Nope, finding the teddy for the Boomer girl is different than the other 2 teddy related quests in the game.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:12
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Knuc If U Buck posted:Nope, finding the teddy for the Boomer girl is different than the other 2 teddy related quests in the game. Yes, but of the three teddy bear missions, do you think the boomer one is likely to be the one that leaves you thinking "more justice is required"?
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Dec 20, 2012 11:44
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Did not know about the other teddy bear quests, and the spoiler is the one that I was referring to. Of course now I have an excuse to play again to do happier teddy bear quests. 
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Dec 20, 2012 15:12
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Teddybear quest spoilers Not...not all of the others are happy :x
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Dec 20, 2012 15:21
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Reveilled posted:Yes, but of the three teddy bear missions, do you think the boomer one is likely to be the one that leaves you thinking "more justice is required"? But what if you say Mr. Teddy is dead? I should really set it up so that that's what pushes the Boomers into negative reputation, that telling a little girl her teddy bear died is what pushes the Boomers into unloading a few tons of explosive on a guy.
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Dec 20, 2012 15:55
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The Boomer girl was the only one I found... I think? The Legion one sounds familiar too, but those quests never come with any clue as to where the teddies can be found so I didn't bother with them. That NCR one though... 
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Dec 20, 2012 16:05
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thrakkorzog posted:Just straight up killing them doesn't quite feel like doing enough, and I feel like I should have the option to torture them before killing them. And I'm the type of guy who's opposed to the death penalty and torture. It's a seriously hosed up quest. Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 16:23
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Hey guys, so I went North instead of the normal route and got to New Vegas at level 1. Then, using foreknowledge, I got myself a load of weapons, the YCS, a Battle Rifle, an Assault Carbine, few Hunting Rifles and a Cowboy Repeater. I also have Combat Armour Mk 2 and 6000 caps, at just level. What I do not have is a play plan, any suggestions? With play plan I mean anything, plot plans, quests, weapon to get. I don't mind, I just want to play around in a different way to normal. Another Person fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 18:20
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Another Person posted:Hey guys, so I went North instead of the normal route and got to New Vegas at level 1. Then, using foreknowledge, I got myself a load of weapons, the YCS, a Battle Rifle, an Assault Carbine, few Hunting Rifles and a Cowboy Repeater. I also have Combat Armour Mk 2 and 6000 caps, at just level. What I do not have is a play plan, any suggestions? Set the world on fire. Literally. Don't forget to set yourself on fire as well.
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I'm still kinda annoyed by the fact that there's no choice to free the enslaved people at the Fort. Freeing the Weathers family from Cottonwood Cove is great, it's just a shame that the slaves in the Fort don't notice that there's no-one left to keep them there. Do the NPCs in this game respawn at all?
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Dec 20, 2012 18:33
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Merry Magpie posted:Set the world on fire. Literally. Don't forget to set yourself on fire as well. But what if he just wants to start a flame in your heart?  On an unrelated not, I'm currently doing an NCR run as Abraham Lincoln. Maybe for my next run I'll be Woody.
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Dec 20, 2012 18:37
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Daionus the 23rd posted:But what if he just wants to start a flame in your heart? If only Lincoln's hat and repeater were in NV.
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Dec 20, 2012 18:45
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Carrying around a little Abe Lincoln action figure was actually one of the highlights of Fallout 3 for me. It's just too bad there wasn't some hidden stash of them somewhere so I could use them all in the Rock-It Launcher. That would've completely redeemed the game for me.
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I have a plan for that. Here's a hint: It involves a certain well-dressed cannibal. Also, I to go unarmed since supposedly Lincoln was quite the wrassler.
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Dec 20, 2012 18:54
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OldMemes posted:I'm still kinda annoyed by the fact that there's no choice to free the enslaved people at the Fort. Freeing the Weathers family from Cottonwood Cove is great, it's just a shame that the slaves in the Fort don't notice that there's no-one left to keep them there.
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Daionus the 23rd posted:I have a plan for that. Here's a hint: It involves a certain well-dressed cannibal. He was also handy with an axe. That is not the Youtube clip you're probably expecting.
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Ahahahahahahahaha. Haaahaahaahahahaahah. *ehm* Hahahahaaa haha. Haha. Ha. Hahaha.  (Black Isle Studios crowdfunding PV13)
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Tewratomeh posted:Carrying around a little Abe Lincoln action figure was actually one of the highlights of Fallout 3 for me. It's just too bad there wasn't some hidden stash of them somewhere so I could use them all in the Rock-It Launcher. The Rock-It Launcher was probably my favorite weapon. I wish it would've made it into New Vegas. What else am I supposed to do with all these Dinky the Dinosaur toys?
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Dec 20, 2012 23:03
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You got a bathtub in your presidential suite, don't ya?
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Colgate posted:The Rock-It Launcher was probably my favorite weapon. I wish it would've made it into New Vegas. What else am I supposed to do with all these Dinky the Dinosaur toys? I kind of wish there were horses in the fallout world, but limitations to the engine/time constraints and all that. How can a I be a cowboy if I can't ride a horse?
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Dec 21, 2012 02:35
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I once tried googling to see if there were any horses in the FO canon and all I found was terrible crossover fanfiction 
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Dec 21, 2012 03:03
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Your dreams come true. Sorta.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I once tried googling to see if there were any horses in the FO canon and all I found was terrible crossover fanfiction I'm not sure if I want Fallout 4 to have mounts or vehicles. There is something really great about switching to third person and watching the Courier walk down an abandoned highway, but who knows. I realized earlier that the new game will almost definitely be designed for new consoles which has me pretty excited for what they'll be able to do. I'm already setting myself up to be disappointed!
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Timeless Appeal posted:You can often just type random poo poo into the Fallout Wiki and get answers for how the subject is portrayed in Fallout. Horses do show up in the New Vegas comic, but no where else. Vehicles have played a role in FO since 2 at least. I would love for their to be vehicles as long as there is also functional, seamless vehicle / on-foot combat. None of that Skyrim poo poo where you have to dismount in order to stab a bandit (I am aware this was modded in later). Also I want there to be vehicles because it was hilarious watching horses climb 90 degree slopes in Skyrim and I am sure that whatever engine Beth uses for FO4, it will allow cars to drive up 90 degree slopes as well.
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Dec 21, 2012 05:38
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Basically I can't play The Road Warrior in New Vegas and that sucks.
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