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Ugh, I can't get the fps unlocker to work anymore and the painted world feels like Blighttown now.
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voltron lion force posted:I would rather it never came back if it meant no more hackers. Sorry but most people who download a cheat engine are using it to, you know, cheat. I didn't say they weren't using it to cheat? It wouldn't be called cheat engine if all people did was make builds with it. EDIT: I am now getting a magical 15 fps in the undead burg. I guess it's time to wait until the DSFix guy pushes out a new release then.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:01
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verybad posted:Ugh, I can't get the fps unlocker to work anymore and the painted world feels like Blighttown now. Yeah I really hope someone fixes it. It's so hard to go back.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:02
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CJacobs posted:I didn't say they weren't using it to cheat? It wouldn't be called cheat engine if all people did was make builds with it. Ok but what are you saying? You're obviously in favor of the cheat engine existing and working, yet you realize its primarily used by hackers? Also, did they actually get the 60fps fix stable (before this patch of course)? I'd heard it caused crashes, but that was around when it first came out.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:09
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Not that it matters, mind you. I've already fixed my personal table completely. It's not hard to do if you know... much of anything about how CE works. Sorry about the false alarm on poise, poison, and curse, by the way. It's the same. I was just looking incorrectly.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:14
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If I kill Gwynevere, will her bonfire stay lit?
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Dec 20, 2012 21:14
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voltron lion force posted:I would rather it never came back if it meant no more hackers. Sorry but most people who download a cheat engine are using it to, you know, cheat. I assume by "to cheat" you mean stuff like infinite HP hacks or stat hacks. There is literally no evidence for that, because it is impossible to tell the difference between an SL100 that someone spent 30 hours to put together and an SL100 with the same stats that someone used a cheat engine to put together in ten minutes. I'd rather people be able to screw around with builds as they please and deal with bullshit hackers sometimes. If a hacker kills me, then  for them. I go hollow and play my game as planned. It's mildly exasperating at worst, and a small price to pay for the ability to skip dozens of hours of grinding to play around with various builds.voltron lion force posted:Ok but what are you saying? You're obviously in favor of the cheat engine existing and working, yet you realize its primarily used by hackers? Stop making this claim. You have nothing to back it up unless you have actual data on the number of people who use it to hack vs people who use it to skip the grind when making characters.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:15
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Magres posted:I assume by "to cheat" you mean stuff like infinite HP hacks or stat hacks. There is literally no evidence for that, because it is impossible to tell the difference between an SL100 that someone spent 30 hours to put together and an SL100 with the same stats that someone used a cheat engine to put together in ten minutes. Funny enough, there actually is. Most people forget to change their class.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:18
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Cyra posted:Does anyone know what that patch actually did? I've been sitting around putting summoning signs down/trying to invade people and only got 1 hit all session. It usually took me, at most, 30 seconds to get something going pre-patch. Could be that most people haven't updated or no one is online though. Also the "honor" PvP in this game is the most laughably retarded poo poo I've ever run across in any online community ever: Call of Duty included. Fighting another red phantom while the dude I've invaded watches is completely baffling to me. fennesz fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 21:21
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Magres posted:Stop making this claim. You have nothing to back it up unless you have actual data on the number of people who use it to hack vs people who use it to skip the grind when making characters. I mean I figured common sense would be enough, but ok I guess we'll just assume that people are using it to honorably duel until proven otherwise. I would just rather there not be hackers is that so weird?
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Dec 20, 2012 21:24
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voltron lion force posted:Ok but what are you saying? You're obviously in favor of the cheat engine existing and working, yet you realize its primarily used by hackers? Yes, that's what I said. Is there a problem with that? I personally use it for making PVP builds but at the same time I acknowledge that there are hackers, like there are for every single PC video game. Cheat engine is a necessary evil for this game because people use it to hack, sure, but that's not all it's used for and that's not its only purpose anyway. voltron lion force posted:I would just rather there not be hackers is that so weird? It's not weird, it's just unrealistic. That's the difference.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:25
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I feel like most of the multiplayer games I've played in the past few years have simply not had a hacking problem, or not a significant one. Surely it is an issue that in Dark Souls, hacking is so easy that you can literally guess how to do it.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:27
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Fuuuck, now the whole game runs at 15 FPS for me. Great update.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:27
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I feel like most of the multiplayer games I've played in the past few years have simply not had a hacking problem, or not a significant one. Surely it is an issue that in Dark Souls, hacking is so easy that you can literally guess how to do it. It's not quite THAT simple if starting from scratch, but it honestly is not that difficult if you're of a programmer's mindset.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:29
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:Fuuuck, now the whole game runs at 15 FPS for me. Great update. I just fought Seath and I still dip down to 5 FPS whenever I get caught in his crystal attack. 
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Dec 20, 2012 21:32
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Huh... I'm not getting any framerate issues(other than, of course, my framerate being halved because the unlocker doesn't work) but now I have to unplug my bluetooth in order to use my controller. I don't have any devices actually turned on and connected through the bluetooth but I guess it sees the wii remote as the input device to listen to or something? I can still open the GFWL menu with the guide button, but I can't do anything in-game until I unplug the bluetooth thing.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:33
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Manus and Kalameet.  I beat both on my first try with my first elite knight armor, balder side sword and silver knight shield character but holy crap they're kicking my arse now. This time I'm using just robes, a big-rear end sword (MSGS or DGM depending on the mood) and a grass crest shield on my back. But somehow I just can't seem to be able to dodge their attacks. I guess the real dark souls started here. 
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Dec 20, 2012 21:48
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Smol posted:Manus and Kalameet. I found those guys pretty tough with my strength based character, and much easier with my dex character.
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Dec 20, 2012 21:51
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fennesz posted:Also the "honor" PvP in this game is the most laughably retarded poo poo I've ever run across in any online community ever: Call of Duty included. Fighting another red phantom while the dude I've invaded watches is completely baffling to me. Why is it "laughably retarded" if someone wants to match their skills and build against someone else in as fair an environment as they can approximate in this game? Nobody ever queues for the arena, so dueling and fight clubs are pretty much the only way people can engage in fair fights. Do you consider it a fool's errand to try and create fairness when the game's mechanics encourage unfair play? It's baffling to me why someone might think that wanting to measure up your skills against other people who have experience pvping and have access to all the gear as you is ridiculous. More people than not in this thread seem to agree with you (what with all the faintly racist "honorobu" crap), so I'm trying to understand your viewpoint.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:11
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CJacobs posted:It's not weird, it's just unrealistic. That's the difference. The only way I've ever seen hacking stopped is through social punishment (e.g. bans from being reported). For a non-server side game like Dark Souls, it's just flat out impossible. It's a cost of business sort of thing.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:14
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Call Now posted:If I kill Gwynevere, will her bonfire stay lit?
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Dec 20, 2012 22:16
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Her bonfire will stay lit, but if the bonfire you last rested at is within the confines of Anor Londo and you die you will respawn at the first one after Sen's Fortress, no matter what.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:19
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Cowcaster posted:Her bonfire will stay lit, but if the bonfire you last rested at is within the confines of Anor Londo and you die you will respawn at the first one after Sen's Fortress, no matter what. No, if you kill Gwynevere, you will respawn at the first one no matter where you last rested, if you die in Anor Londo (or outside, having last rested there). Which is a real kick in the balls if you warp somewhere after killing her, die, and wake up to the Lady of the Darkling trying to kill you.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:23
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Noblesse Oblige posted:Do you consider it a fool's errand to try and create fairness when the game's mechanics encourage unfair play? Yes. It's silly to try and bolt on a bunch of completely arbitrary rules to try and make things "fair".
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Dec 20, 2012 22:23
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Bertrand Hustle posted:No, if you kill Gwynevere, you will respawn at the first one no matter where you last rested, if you die in Anor Londo. Is that right? Like if you rest at Sen's and then go die in Anor Londo it'll put you at the first one? That's a little unusual.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:24
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I don't know about you but when somebody bows, I assume they are presenting their head to me for easy removal and act accordingly.Cowcaster posted:Is that right? Like if you rest at Sen's and then go die in Anor Londo it'll put you at the first one? That's a little unusual. Yeah, in fact, I did exactly that. Rested at Sen's because I wanted to fight Gwyndolin, warped to the Darkmoon Tomb from Sen's, ran in, died, respawned at the first bonfire.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:25
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Crackbone posted:Yes. It's silly to try and bolt on a bunch of completely arbitrary rules to try and make things "fair". But if people are engaging in it and more so having FUN with it, why do you begrudge them this? Just because you don't like it? Don't partake then, but don't hold it against others, that's a narrow mindset.
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e: after reading the above posts, my question is answered. I just don't get why the framerate unlocker helps so much with the framerate, since I always have the max set at 30. 
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Dec 20, 2012 22:27
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A bunch of people are reporting that this patch fixed sound issues with the game, mainly the ambience.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:32
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So, I checked with FRAPS and I'm getting exactly 15 FPS in the Painted World. It doesn't matter what's happening on the screen, the FPS counter doesn't fluctuate at all, so I'm probably dealing with some terrible VSync here. I've already disabled Vsync and Triple buffering (didn't seem to do anything to do anything either way) from Catalyst and D3DOverrider, but to no avail. Any suggestions?
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Dec 20, 2012 22:32
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Oh man, finally got a PC good enough to run this game and blitzed through, killing the Gargoyles. Game owns. What level do I have to be to get summoned for the gargoyles and how long does it take generally?
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Dec 20, 2012 22:35
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The gargoyles aren't the end-boss of the game. You've only just gotten started. 
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I had good summoning luck at the gargoyles at level 20 or so. Managed to finally beat Manus. Still no co-op luck for Kalameet though, and it doesn't look like I'm good enough to get his tail solo. Where do people generally leave their summon signs for Kalameet? Smol fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 22:46
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Captain No-mates posted:What level do I have to be to get summoned for the gargoyles and how long does it take generally? Bats posted:But if people are engaging in it and more so having FUN with it, why do you begrudge them this? Just because you don't like it? Don't partake then, but don't hold it against others, that's a narrow mindset. In my first few playthrougs when I got invaded and Mister Red bowed to me, I shrugged and went for a backstab. After all I had no idea these unspoken rules even existed. That got often got me hilarious hate-messages and these people even down-repped my GFWL account for "unsporting conduct". So I would begrudge them for demanding that everyone follows their dumb rules of honor. And it's downright stupid and hypocritical when they're complaining about you not following their honor rules when they're dickwraiths with +5 lighting weapons in the Undead Burg. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 22:47
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Noblesse Oblige posted:Why is it "laughably retarded" if someone wants to match their skills and build against someone else in as fair an environment as they can approximate in this game? Nobody ever queues for the arena, so dueling and fight clubs are pretty much the only way people can engage in fair fights. Do you consider it a fool's errand to try and create fairness when the game's mechanics encourage unfair play? Noblesse Oblige posted:It's baffling to me why someone might think that wanting to measure up your skills against other people who have experience pvping and have access to all the gear as you is ridiculous. More people than not in this thread seem to agree with you (what with all the faintly racist "honorobu" crap), so I'm trying to understand your viewpoint. That's boring. Again, if people want to fight 1v1. That's fine. Go use the dueling system. But, again, the point of invaders is to kill the master of the world at any cost. It's ridiculous and unfun to only fight people 1v1 all the time. The one time I've been invaded by two people at once I managed to kill them and it was not only more challenging but more rewarding when I managed to pull it off.
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Dec 20, 2012 22:54
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Here's a thing that I think: you shouldn't complain about "honorable" players when you're not playing honorably (just pretend I put quotes over all the honors) because they have literally nothing on you. Like if a player is trying to be honorable they are putting themselves at a disadvantage. If your real goal is trying to win at any cost then great because they just made it easier for you. I think the real reason it pisses people off is that no one likes being told how to play, even if it makes it easier for them.
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Dec 20, 2012 23:00
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The real reason it annoys people is because the PVP Honor crowd gets so vocally pissy when people play the game normally. Attack them while they're doing their pre-fight rituals and expect lots of hate mail. It's hard not to mock people like them.
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Dec 20, 2012 23:03
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fennesz posted:Yes. The point of invading is to try and kill the person you've invaded by any means necessary. Period. You should probably not say something like this when cheating is as rampant as it is. You'd also be surprised at how many people say they "outplayed" you, when you then take a look at their stats in the Book of the Guilty and see an awful lot of 99s for an SL1 invader. "Win at all cost" arguments are simply not very compelling, since there's nothing stopping someone from turning around and using it to justify that. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Dec 20, 2012 23:05
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Noblesse Oblige posted:(what with all the faintly racist "honorobu" crap)
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Tallgeese posted:You'd also be surprised at how many people say they "outplayed" you, when you then take a look at their stats in the Book of the Guilty and see an awful lot of 99s for an SL1 invader.
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