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Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
It's amazing how much they changed AND how much they kept. Sound effects especially.

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Lork
Oct 15, 2007
Sticks to clorf

Yodzilla posted:

They should have kept the dopey cartoonish guard faces.
That horrible Barney face is my favourite lovely pre-release asset of all time (a crowded genre, to be sure). It's so bad. I can't believe somebody actually made that and thought "Yes, this is good enough to keep! People will look at screenshots of this and want to buy our game!"

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.
What's with the 'evil' looking scientist? This isn't the first time I've seen him in the Alpha screenshots of HL - perhaps he was a villain in an earlier version of the story.

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

It's amazing how much they changed AND how much they kept. Sound effects especially.

I like when you take a screenshot using the steam overlay its using sounds from HL1.

Zero Star
Jan 22, 2006

Robit the paranoid blogger.

SPACE HOMOS posted:

I like when you take a screenshot using the steam overlay its using sounds from HL1.
Picking up health and ammo packs in TF2 triggers sound effects that date back to HL1.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Convex posted:

According to PC Gamer, some guy managed to get his hands on the original alpha demo for Half-Life and uploaded a couple of videos to Youtube to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUMv7_zIHec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h7bTo5xLyQ

I love it when things like this eventually turn up :unsmith:

Whoa, whoa, whoa
This is awesome! :)

It looks exactly like quake2, as can be expected.

Dominic White
Nov 1, 2005

That Mario 64-inspired Doom mod just got released (admittedly in beta) yesterday. I'll be trying it out in a bit.

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoAxc6jKFcc

What. The. Pogofucking. Christ. I mean, what the hell IS this?

blakyoshi
Feb 17, 2011

xanthan posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoAxc6jKFcc

What. The. Pogofucking. Christ. I mean, what the hell IS this?

The Internet, xanthan. It's the Internet.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

xanthan posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoAxc6jKFcc

What. The. Pogofucking. Christ. I mean, what the hell IS this?

I love how, if it wasn't for a few modern references, it looks exactly like something form the '90's. Like a kid from '97 got teleported to the modern day, saw a handful of anime that he enjoyed, then got shoved back to his own time and made this amalgamation of '90's and modern internet pop culture.

Commander Keenan
Dec 5, 2012

Not Boba Fett

catlord posted:

I love how, if it wasn't for a few modern references, it looks exactly like something form the '90's. Like a kid from '97 got teleported to the modern day, saw a handful of anime that he enjoyed, then got shoved back to his own time and made this amalgamation of '90's and modern internet pop culture.

Grezzo 2 is just as hilarious, but in a different way.

Irish Taxi Driver
Sep 12, 2004

We're just gonna open our tool palette and... get some entities... how about some nice happy trees? We'll put them near this barn. Give that cow some shade... There.
Haha holy poo poo the doink doink noise from Law and Order.

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





Irish Taxi Driver posted:

Haha holy poo poo the doink doink noise from Law and Order.

Wait that's what Doink Doink means?

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Commander Keenan posted:

Grezzo 2 is just as hilarious, but in a different way.

Welp. That was an interesting watch. Is it Polish?

Wang_Tang
Jan 11, 2004

Cryptologic

catlord posted:

Welp. That was an interesting watch. Is it Polish?

It's Italian, but thanks to Doom's simple gameplay, you don't really need to know it play it.

Irish Taxi Driver
Sep 12, 2004

We're just gonna open our tool palette and... get some entities... how about some nice happy trees? We'll put them near this barn. Give that cow some shade... There.

xanthan posted:

Wait that's what Doink Doink means?

Yeah, I think Dick Wolf called it that and it stuck.

EDIT: Theres an SAClopedia entry on it and I was wrong: http://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=1686

Frag Man
Sep 2, 2011
Is it possible to play co-op in Duke Nukem 3D with War of Attrition? I googled around but couldn't find anything about this.

Also The Kins: Would it be possible to have some sort of creditlist for all the stuffs thats in Reelism? I constantly wonder about some of the guns and enemies i see in the game and what games they are originally from, like the Jackhammer shotgun. I realise it would be a huge undertaking writing all that stuff down.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Frag Man posted:

Also The Kins: Would it be possible to have some sort of creditlist for all the stuffs thats in Reelism? I constantly wonder about some of the guns and enemies i see in the game and what games they are originally from, like the Jackhammer shotgun. I realise it would be a huge undertaking writing all that stuff down.
I have one, but it's mostly a list of spriters/games without direct linking to what exactly they did. Is there anything specific you wanted identified? The Jackhammer was done by Eriance for his cancelled Demon Eclipse mod.

Frag Man
Sep 2, 2011

The Kins posted:

I have one, but it's mostly a list of spriters/games without direct linking to what exactly they did. Is there anything specific you wanted identified? The Jackhammer was done by Eriance for his cancelled Demon Eclipse mod.

Jetpack Larry? I'll have to play some more Reelism and take som notes. I just had this thought about having some kind of commentary/wiki mode where you could pause the game at anytime, click on stuff at the screen like the gun or an enemy and a little infobox would show up with descriptive text about the history and origin behind the gun/enemy/item. Alternatively have it as a submenu with a long list.

It's just a stupid idea for a nerd like myself, just focus on getting the new version out!

Zeether
Aug 26, 2011

Zero Star posted:

Picking up health and ammo packs in TF2 triggers sound effects that date back to HL1.
The item respawn sound is also in TF2. I love that sound. :allears:

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Frag Man posted:

Jetpack Larry? I'll have to play some more Reelism and take som notes. I just had this thought about having some kind of commentary/wiki mode where you could pause the game at anytime, click on stuff at the screen like the gun or an enemy and a little infobox would show up with descriptive text about the history and origin behind the gun/enemy/item. Alternatively have it as a submenu with a long list.
That would be pretty cool. I've considered doing a nice manual type thing to fit in all the silly :words: one of the mappers likes to churn out that we can't get into the mod, that'd fit in nicely.

Jetpack Larry was a sprite edit (using the Duke3D jetpack) by CaptainToenail. It's on Torm's resource site Realm667, but I'm not linking it since that site seems to be getting hacked every second day nowadays.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

I've been playing through Congestion 1024 with Brutal Doom and holy poo poo is it hard. The splash damage from everything makes it way too easy to blow yourself up and way too easy to get blown up by...anything. I have never hated imps more. Don't even ask about Revenants.

Congestion 384 was actually a bit easier since it's easy to funnel monsters into a shooting gallery scenario. Except the cyberdemon level, gently caress that level.

Any suggestions for wads based around novel concepts that actually turn out well?

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





Evan Montegarde posted:

I've been playing through Congestion 1024 with Brutal Doom and holy poo poo is it hard. The splash damage from everything makes it way too easy to blow yourself up and way too easy to get blown up by...anything. I have never hated imps more. Don't even ask about Revenants.

Congestion 384 was actually a bit easier since it's easy to funnel monsters into a shooting gallery scenario. Except the cyberdemon level, gently caress that level.

Any suggestions for wads based around novel concepts that actually turn out well?

Action Doom? One hit deaths, all attacks are a projectile of some sort you can dodge, meant to be hard.

koren
Sep 7, 2003

Evan Montegarde posted:

I've been playing through Congestion 1024 with Brutal Doom and holy poo poo is it hard. The splash damage from everything makes it way too easy to blow yourself up and way too easy to get blown up by...anything. I have never hated imps more. Don't even ask about Revenants.

Congestion 384 was actually a bit easier since it's easy to funnel monsters into a shooting gallery scenario. Except the cyberdemon level, gently caress that level.

Any suggestions for wads based around novel concepts that actually turn out well?
The 1024 concept works perfectly well as long as you don't use gameplay modifying wads like brutal doom. Try out claustrophobia 1024 2, some of the later levels are really thrilling to play through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyVr3F91cE

rodney mullenkamp
Nov 5, 2010

Evan Montegarde posted:

I've been playing through Congestion 1024 with Brutal Doom and holy poo poo is it hard. The splash damage from everything makes it way too easy to blow yourself up and way too easy to get blown up by...anything. I have never hated imps more. Don't even ask about Revenants.

Congestion 384 was actually a bit easier since it's easy to funnel monsters into a shooting gallery scenario. Except the cyberdemon level, gently caress that level.

Any suggestions for wads based around novel concepts that actually turn out well?

After Congestion 1024 and Congestion 384, the only way to go is Congestion 64

JackMackerel
Jun 15, 2011
What the Hell is the Duke HR pack doing to my GOG.com copy of DN3D? Every time I try installing it, it replaces the thing with Shareware, on top of further slacking and not giving me sweet, sweet 3D.

^^ Try the sequel, too, which is basically if you made every 90s beat-'em-up an FPS. Also, Batman Doom is a pretty nifty exercise.

Alpha3KV
Mar 30, 2011

Quex Chest

JackMackerel posted:

What the Hell is the Duke HR pack doing to my GOG.com copy of DN3D? Every time I try installing it, it replaces the thing with Shareware, on top of further slacking and not giving me sweet, sweet 3D.

When installing the HRP, do not overwrite duke3d.grp in the GOG folder. In fact, it might be better to install them to separate locations and copy the file from the GOG folder to your HRP folder. To see the 3D graphics, make sure to enable "autoload" folder from the launcher.

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -
Hey Quake gurus or potential Quake players.

Every now and then I gird my loins and answer questions in the Steam Quake forum. With the new "Guides" feature I'm thinking I should collect some info in a nice format that I could then just point at in the future.

Y'all might be interested in the content of the guides that I have posted so far... and also you could correct me if I've gotten something wrong. The guides stuff is kind of under the radar at the moment, so I've got a window to fix errors before these guides collect many eyeballs.

Here's a Quake engines overview: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=118401000
And here's how to get the soundtrack to play without a CD: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=119489135

(I figure it might also be useful to have general info about using the console or command line, and specific instructions on managing widescreen resolutions and FOV, but I'm tired of typing for now.)

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


JackMackerel posted:

What the Hell is the Duke HR pack doing to my GOG.com copy of DN3D? Every time I try installing it, it replaces the thing with Shareware, on top of further slacking and not giving me sweet, sweet 3D.

^^ Try the sequel, too, which is basically if you made every 90s beat-'em-up an FPS. Also, Batman Doom is a pretty nifty exercise.

It's expecting you to unpack Duke3d itself into the HRP and not the other way around, I think. By default it comes with the demo files, so you can play without needing the actual game, but this also means if you do it the wrong way around it overwrites the real game with the demo.

You should also be launching it using eDuke32 and not the DOSBox launcher from GOG, and make sure you enable 3d models in the video settings if you actually want them.

Cannonballoon
Jul 25, 2007


This was all pretty great. Thanks!

I was just on a Brutal Doom kick and getting back into Doom editing, but then you post this Quake stuff with that ultimate patch and DarkPlaces and now I want to edit Quake levels again. I used to use Worldcraft way back when (1.6a, I think?), but then later Valve bought it and turned it into Hammer and all that. Is there anything more recent that people generally use? I saw that there's QuakeAdapter for Worldcraft 3.3. Is it any good? I've never tried GTKRadiant, so I don't know much about it.

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -
I'm not completely up to speed on how Quake mappers ply their trade these days. func_msgboard is undoubtedly the place to go with any interesting questions (e.g. http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=4 ). Possibly also some info available at quakeone.com (e.g. http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-help/servers-coding/6630-best-quake-1-map-editor-noob-2011-a.html ) and/or quakeworld.nu (e.g. http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/topic/4738 ).

From a bit of searching it seems like an old pre-Hammer version of WorldCraft can be adapted to use for Quake as you mentioned (maybe Hammer can be too?), and GtkRadiant has a Quake mode, and there's also a passle of other more "niche" editors that still have fans like QuArK, BSP, and Qoole. GtkRadiant is proooobably the only one still in active development?

(Edit: I've used GtkRadiant for Quake 3 and it is a good tool.)

Beyond editor selection there'll also be the question of setting up the proper toolchain for compiling the map. Like http://www.quaddicted.com/tools/map_compilers or http://disenchant.net/utils.html .

JLaw fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jan 12, 2013

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Hey, are there any mods for Quake and Quake 2 that improve them graphically like some of the Doom mods do?

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -
Depends on what you mean by improve. :) Modern Quake engines fix a lot of rendering bugs. Many of them also add optional special effects, and you can download hi-res texture packages, new HUDs, new weapon models, fonts, and so forth. There are also some "updated" monster models out there but I'm dubious about whether you can find a really good set of those.

One thing you might want to experiment with for Quake is downloading the nQuake package ( http://www.nquake.com/ ) which has a really easy set-up; it includes the ezQuake engine with some hi-res textures and other media, and various graphics presets from "sort of faithful" to "maximum gaudy".

Another possible thing to play with is the "Quake Epsilon" package ( http://www.xpfree.org/epsilon/ ) which includes the DarkPlaces engine and a buuuunch of new media. I should add a note about this to my engines guide. If you want to go with the "ultra" setting there, pay special attention to the performance-tweak note about reflecting_overload.pk3 ... even on a pretty beefy machine I had to disable the reflective glass to make it perform well.

(In the end though I usually prefer to play using a "classic" engine like QuakeSpasm configured for faithful rendering... minimally filtered pixels, square particles, the works.)


For Quake 2 I'm not sure about the easiest stuff to try. There are certainly new engines and textures for that too. I know of a couple of easy-install packages from http://q2s.tastyspleen.net/ and http://nquake.com/2/ but I'm not really current with Quake 2.

JLaw fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 12, 2013

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Epsilon looks fantastic, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. If anyone has anything similar for Quake 2 I'd love to know.

Same with Wolfenstein 3D, but I really doubt that exists.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
If you want to go full gaudy with Quake 2, the Berzerker engine adds bump mapped insanity.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Korendian Leader posted:

The 1024 concept works perfectly well as long as you don't use gameplay modifying wads like brutal doom. Try out claustrophobia 1024 2, some of the later levels are really thrilling to play through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyVr3F91cE

Yeah, I played through Congestion 1024 a while ago with normal Doom and it was great fun, doing it with Brutal Doom is just ridiculous. I'll have to check out Claustrophobia next!

Congestion 64 kept me surprisingly entertained for like 15 minutes, most of which was that one level that makes you sit there doing nothing until the door opens.

JackMackerel
Jun 15, 2011

Babylon Astronaut posted:

If you want to go full gaudy with Quake 2, the Berzerker engine adds bump mapped insanity.

It gives me an unresponsive black screen, for some reason, but on my previous machine, it ran nicely and smoothly. And looked like DooM 3.

There is also Quake 2 Evolved.

Also, on the Duke Hi-res thing: I'm trying to get it to load the Hi-Res, but EDuke just looks like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19696375/eduke.png

It won't expand to allow me to select a folder, and I've checked that the Hi-Res pack is in autoload. 3D models are active, but it still pixelates Duke's weapons and the enemies...

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Console ports of PC-centric FPS games were weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXeti5M-Wo

To make it even weirder, this port was done by Bullfrog, and you deathmatched against Dungeon Keeper characters at one point.

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -
What the hell.

It's kind of... disturbing to come across something Q3-related that I've never seen before. Is this an alternate universe? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE

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SavageMessiah
Jan 28, 2009

Emotionally drained and spookified

Toilet Rascal
Final boss beaten in 2 minutes! *spends 1:30 aiming gun using controller*

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