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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

escape artist posted:

I don't remember much about him, but one thing I remember is he did this thing where he would theoretically bet on on horse races, and always did it, but would never wager any money.

he was a member of the shipbuilders union, but states that he hasn't been union for 30 years & I think Frank mentions that the shipyards shut down in the 70s in one of his waterfront chats with either Ziggy or Nick. He also turns down Frank's offer to sit on a labour relations board for the union, complete with stipend, because he doesn't want to earn money for nothing. I think he even directly says "it needs to be clean" in reference to earning the money.

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Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

escape artist posted:

I don't remember much about him, but one thing I remember is he did this thing where he would theoretically bet on on horse races, and always did it, but would never wager any money.

He did not play, so he could not lose.

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009
He had a whole system for betting on horse races, and he was up like sixteen thousand dollars if I remember correctly. But he was a somewhat stubborn old man with a sense of honor about stuff. He was in the ship builders union or whatever it would be as he mentions to Nick that they double-hulled a ship that Nick was just working on, and is kinda offended when Nick says "she still floats". The union presumably closed down completely in Baltimore.

Also, Omar in court is the best goddamn thing.

spite house
Apr 28, 2009

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Your avatar just arrived in my rewatch.

e: To be honest, I've never been a fan of Brother. He's like some kinda of weird super hero slash cowboy - always cool, never shaken, and possibly immortal. People talk about him and act around him as though he's impervious, as though the mere suggestion of simply shooting him in the face would be to waste a bullet.

It's one thing to know someone is willing to kill, but we don't need to pretend that the solution is anything other than pulling the trigger before he does.
I find Mouzone interesting because he's one of two characters, the other being Omar, who the show allows to be truly magical. Those guys are like figures out of myth; I think of them as two sides of the Coyote/Anansi/Loki trickster-god coin. They remind us that we're watching a narrative, a story, made by humans and bound by human conventions. What we're watching looks real and feels real but it's inherently subjective.

One of my favorite scenes in the series is Mouzone and Omar's showdown in the alley in season 3, and I love it because the style of the scene is so different from the rest of the show. It's all dolly shots and fake smoke, dramatic, design-y lighting and quippy dialogue and flapping black coats, like something out of a Western. Which makes perfect sense because these are the two most cinematic characters in the whole deal, and when they get together to hash some poo poo out, of course it becomes all cinematic all of a sudden.

spite house fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Jan 30, 2013

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Frostwerks posted:

He did not play, so he could not lose.

Haha, that's perfect.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Parachute Underwear posted:

Season 2's final two episodes are amazing. I absolutely love how well they show that the Greek is never in any position in which he appears to feel threatened--especially in his final scene at the airport where he says, "Business. Always business," with the nicest old man smile. To the Major Cases squad, it's a minor victory. To him, it's an equally (or even less) minor inconvenience. He's so cocky that, even with the possibility of being identified, he walks right in front of the police's nose twice just because he can.

It's easy for the Greek to be nonchalant since he's protected as an FBI informant.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

watt par posted:

It's easy for the Greek to be nonchalant since he's protected as an FBI informant.

Well, his status as an FBI would not automatically preclude any prosecution by a local or state police? Would the FBI intercede and say "no, this guy is too important to us, you can't lock him up even though he's an enormous heroin supplier."?

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming
I was reading Mouzone's wiki, and it says "Mouzone" means "judicious" in Arabic, but couldn't give a citation.

Also, it said at some point in the show he is shown drinking alcohol, which is forbidden in Islam, although Nation of Islam members do not follow Islam as strictly as orthodox Muslims (they aren't required to pray five times, they are not required to make a hajj to Mecca), so it's possible that they can drink alcohol.

Thing is, I don't remember him ever drinking alcohol. When did that happen?

Also, if you're a Wire savant and have OCD, don't read the Wire Wikipedia pages if you can help it... There is so much that you will want to correct. It would take me a semester to fix the drat thing.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

escape artist posted:

Well, his status as an FBI would not automatically preclude any prosecution by a local or state police? Would the FBI intercede and say "no, this guy is too important to us, you can't lock him up even though he's an enormous heroin supplier."?

That's pretty much what happened though when Fitzhugh figures out Vondopolous and the Greek were protected higher up. And yeah federal jurisdiction preempts state and local.

Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jan 30, 2013

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

watt par posted:

That's pretty much what happened though when Fitzhugh figures out Vondopolous and the Greek were protected higher up. And yeah federal jurisdiction preempts state and local.

I thought that Koutris got the tip to the Greek to get the gently caress outta dodge for a while, just in the nick of time.

I'm re-watching Season 2 right now.

Also, I know this is probably the lowest form of discussion ever in Wire history, but forgive me. Nick Sobotka's girlfriend has the best breasts I have ever seen. In real life, in movies, TV, pornography. I mean, all breasts are great. . . but this pair is perfection.

Fun fact: The original actress for that role dropped out of the role because she didn't want to do the topless scene.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

escape artist posted:

I thought that Koutris got the tip to the Greek to get the gently caress outta dodge for a while, just in the nick of time.


When the major case unit's at the bar at the end of the last episode of the season, Fitzhugh tells Daniels that Koutris, who he originally thought was working out of San Diego, was in fact in Counterterrorism in DC. He pieced together that Vondopolous and the Greek were FBI assets working for him. The quick look Daniels gives in response is priceless.

I Love Loosies
Jan 4, 2013


escape artist posted:

I'm re-watching Season 2 right now.

Also, I know this is probably the lowest form of discussion ever in Wire history, but forgive me. Nick Sobotka's girlfriend has the best breasts I have ever seen. In real life, in movies, TV, pornography. I mean, all breasts are great. . . but this pair is perfection.

Fun fact: The original actress for that role dropped out of the role because she didn't want to do the topless scene.

There really staring at you. :pervert:
Compared to other HBO Shows (Boardwalk Empire etc.) there wasn't much nudity on the Wire and it never seemed like "Hey let's show some tits because the viewers wanna see some". Another thing that makes the show seem more 'real'.

After Ziggy gets arrested, Nick gets drunk with some girl. (COLLEGE KIDS AIN'T poo poo!) Does anybody know who she was? Just some old friend of him an Ziggy?

I Love Loosies fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jan 30, 2013

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE

escape artist posted:

I thought that Koutris got the tip to the Greek to get the gently caress outta dodge for a while, just in the nick of time.

I'm re-watching Season 2 right now.

Also, I know this is probably the lowest form of discussion ever in Wire history, but forgive me. Nick Sobotka's girlfriend has the best breasts I have ever seen. In real life, in movies, TV, pornography. I mean, all breasts are great. . . but this pair is perfection.

Fun fact: The original actress for that role dropped out of the role because she didn't want to do the topless scene.


Koutris tips him off about Frank's cooperation literally seconds before they meet under the bridge. And yeah, the Greek's connections run so deep that even if Fitzhugh figures it out and fesses up to Daniels, he still doesn't say poo poo to his superiors... for fear of ending his career Montana. The boat/pawn shop unit of the FBI, I imagine.

Not that it would matter if he told.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Parachute Underwear posted:

for fear of ending his career Montana. The boat/pawn shop unit of the FBI, I imagine.



Or as Fitz himself said "an Indian res in Arkansas"

watt par posted:

When the major case unit's at the bar at the end of the last episode of the season, Fitzhugh tells Daniels that Koutris, who he originally thought was working out of San Diego, was in fact in Counterterrorism in DC. He pieced together that Vondopolous and the Greek were FBI assets working for him. The quick look Daniels gives in response is priceless.

I understand that but it still doesn't seem to answer whether or not, if an arrest had been made, what the FBI would have done.

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE

escape artist posted:

Or as Fitz himself said "an Indian res in Arkansas"


I understand that but it still doesn't seem to answer whether or not, if an arrest had been made, what the FBI would have done.

Is that what he says?

And yeah the thing is, to me, it's not clear if The Greek was an official informant or if it's mostly that he has his mole that he trades favours with. I don't actually know how that stuff works and we're not given insight into it but the ink pigment coke bust always seemed kinda sketchy to me. Would Koutris ever be in a situation where he'd have to disappear himself, or did he do that already after the end of season 2?

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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Parachute Underwear posted:

Is that what he says?

And yeah the thing is, to me, it's not clear if The Greek was an official informant or if it's mostly that he has his mole that he trades favours with. I don't actually know how that stuff works and we're not given insight into it but the ink pigment coke bust always seemed kinda sketchy to me. Would Koutris ever be in a situation where he'd have to disappear himself, or did he do that already after the end of season 2?

Well I think its both. When Koutris sets up a huge bust like the ink pigment, we can assume he has to use some kind of "official" informant for the paperwork. I assume they trade favors back and forth, but as far as the FBI is concerned The Greek is probably just another asset. I doubt anybody but Koutris really knows how much of The Greeks activities are being ignored/swept under the rug. Koutris just has enough status in the FBI that he can list someone as a CI and nobody will look too closely at whats going on.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Parachute Underwear posted:

Is that what he says?


He actually says what I quoted in S2E09 or E10, but he says Montana to Daniels in the finale of that season.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
It's pretty funny when you think of it, at all levels cops slide on smaller crimes to go after the larger ones. Who cares if he's a drug addict if he can get me drug dealers. Who cares if he deals drugs on a corner if he can get me his boss. Who cares if he runs that corner if he can get me the guy who runs the drugs on the entire Westside. Who cares about drugs if he can get me murders...

Eventually it gets to guys like FBI who say "Who cares if he smuggles in women, drugs and kills a dozen people a year, if he can get me the guys who smuggle in bombs and guns and kill hundreds or thousands..." As much as I hate to say it, the cops really don't have that much of a reason to feel indignant. Sure, the feds let worse people slide free, but only to get to the guys that the cops only read about in newspapers and shudder.

melon farmer
Oct 28, 2009

My boy says he can eat fifty eggs, he can eat fifty eggs!

General Bort posted:

There really staring at you. :pervert:
Compared to other HBO Shows (Boardwalk Empire etc.) there wasn't much nudity on the Wire and it never seemed like "Hey let's show some tits because the viewers wanna see some". Another thing that makes the show seem more 'real'.

After Ziggy gets arrested, Nick gets drunk with some girl. (COLLEGE KIDS AIN'T poo poo!) Does anybody know who she was? Just some old friend of him an Ziggy?

It was the girl that the other crewmen convinced Ziggy that he knocked up, the one Nick said everyone slept with back in the day. Can't recall her name at the moment.

Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


escape artist posted:

I'm re-watching Season 2 right now.

Also, I know this is probably the lowest form of discussion ever in Wire history, but forgive me. Nick Sobotka's girlfriend has the best breasts I have ever seen. In real life, in movies, TV, pornography. I mean, all breasts are great. . . but this pair is perfection.

Fun fact: The original actress for that role dropped out of the role because she didn't want to do the topless scene.


They are so good that when Michael Owen and Dominic West do commentary on S2E6 they make the comment that she has great tits, and then wonder if they're in that episode or another.

ukiyo e
Sep 12, 2012

Wait... what?

melon farmer posted:

It was the girl that the other crewmen convinced Ziggy that he knocked up, the one Nick said everyone slept with back in the day. Can't recall her name at the moment.

Prissy Katwell, although I am not sure of the spelling.

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Oct 24, 2009

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ukiyo e posted:

Prissy Katwell, although I am not sure of the spelling.

It's actually a tragic twist too, because since Nick is at her house the morning of the Sobotka busts, it means that his arrest gets delayed and that there's just more opportunity for Vondas to talk to him. Of course the cops were the ones who made the (unrealistic) mistake of letting Frank leave while they waited for him to get a lawyer.

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009
I can only imagine the FBI wouldve snatched up the prosecution or something so they could do it as they liked. Or they probably had some preplanned idea, but would certainly do everything they could to help the Greek from being captured

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Nearly done with Season 2, and I'm now absolutely convinced that I've somehow managed to skip an episode as suddenly Cheryl is pregnant and I don't recall seeing Kima walking around the baby store with a look of "what the gently caress did I do?" on her face. Anyway, I didn't think this existed on YouTube but it does:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DozVdtbMuM8 :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

SpookyLizard posted:

I can only imagine the FBI wouldve snatched up the prosecution or something so they could do it as they liked. Or they probably had some preplanned idea, but would certainly do everything they could to help the Greek from being captured

I always figured that IF he had been caught, he would have been hosed, but because he got out in time he was basically golden and felt free to return to Baltimore in a relatively short amount of time (and even go back to the exact same location where the police had been aware of him earlier). I doubt the FBI would have wanted the embarrassment of bailing him out if he'd been arrested in a relatively showy fashion by Baltimore PD. One thing this show taught me is that no matter the institution, covering your rear end always seems to be the go-to position.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

So after the brilliance of 'All Prologue', I've always felt that the next episode 'Backwash' was a pretty mediocre (for The Wire anyway) follow-up. Not so! Halfway through the episode, Frank is sitting in on a presentation about the mechanisation of Rotterdam and immediately asks how man longshoremen are still working there. He's obviously looking out for his union, and the suit presenting says he doesn't have the exact figures but seems awfully please to tell Frank that 4000 work there. Later, Frank and Bruce have an animated discussion over the presentation. Frank is aghast that his union will die out when robots take over all the work, and then Bruce starts talking to Frank about his granddad lumping a grinding stone up a street to sharpen stake knives, and how his granddad scrimped and saved to send Bruce's dad to college. And in a very subtle manner Bruce is telling Frank that he's fighting progress and rather than simply funneling money at him to grease the right political wheels, he should be looking out for his family and his workers and getting them of the mindset that a job simply runs in the family and should start looking at a life beyond the docks. (Of course, Bruce takes the money anyway). And then the coup de grace comes a little later when New Charles is injured when a pallet crushes his leg - the mechanisation that Frank is fighting a losing battle against would have meant that the accident wouldn't have occured, either by New Charles having been laid off years ago or by mechanisation. We then later find out that New Charles was named as such because on his first day on the docks, a previous Charles was crushed to death by a can. It's just a little sub plot that runs almost in the background and comes circle in about four scenes, and it's just genius.

I know this was a few pages back but I had to respond. I started watching The Wire with Season 2 because it happened to be showing as a rerun on HBO, and I'm so glad because it's easily my favorite. First of all, the original Tom Waits version of the title song! I love Waits but never was a huge fan of that song or even the more recent era of his music, but with the dockworker setting and that montage, it's perfect. I love the whole story of everything that's happening to the union workers and their way of life including the politics of becoming obsolete you describe. The dockworkers are not blameless, they have done nothing to avoid becoming dinosaurs, they are just dinosaurs making a last, doomed, stand to protect their turf. The lengths Jimmy goes through to assign the floater to his old chief are hilarious, time and tide calculations for the win!

The little montage of Greek music playing while the dull bureaucratic machinery delivers the messages that are the mechanism of Frank's doom while he drives to the meet is utterly heartbreaking. And the Steve Earle song over the wrap-up montage for the season is pure genius. Season 2 is the most perfect one of the show, for me.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Zwabu posted:

I know this was a few pages back but I had to respond. I started watching The Wire with Season 2 because it happened to be showing as a rerun on HBO, and I'm so glad because it's easily my favorite. First of all, the original Tom Waits version of the title song! I love Waits but never was a huge fan of that song or even the more recent era of his music, but with the dockworker setting and that montage, it's perfect. I love the whole story of everything that's happening to the union workers and their way of life including the politics of becoming obsolete you describe. The dockworkers are not blameless, they have done nothing to avoid becoming dinosaurs, they are just dinosaurs making a last, doomed, stand to protect their turf. The lengths Jimmy goes through to assign the floater to his old chief are hilarious, time and tide calculations for the win!

The little montage of Greek music playing while the dull bureaucratic machinery delivers the messages that are the mechanism of Frank's doom while he drives to the meet is utterly heartbreaking. And the Steve Earle song over the wrap-up montage for the season is pure genius. Season 2 is the most perfect one of the show, for me.

Steve Earle and Tom Waits are amazing. Way Down In The Hole, I always wondered why they chose that one, when it's not even in his top 50 songs, in my opinion. That Steve Earle song is pretty good, but he's also had way better songs. He's legitimately the only "country" artist I like, but I love him. However, I feel that I Feel Alright was a good fit with the montage; it was heartbreakingly ironic.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

escape artist posted:

He's legitimately the only "country" artist I like, but I love him.

You sound like a man who has never listened to Waylon Jennings.

Unzip and Attack
Mar 3, 2008

USPOL May
Or Cash or George Jones.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

MrBling posted:

You sound like a man who has never listened to Waylon Jennings.

I have not. Got a couple of song recommendations that I could maybe Youtube? Just to get a little taste.

Unzip and Attack posted:

Or Cash or George Jones.

Haven't heard Jones but of course I love Johnny Cash. I guess I didn't ever really consider him country.


I love Earle and Cash, they straddle many genres. Blues and folk song-writers like those two, and Dylan, who also have country type songs... I guess I didn't really think that statement through when I said it. Leonard Cohen also comes to mind.

I guess I don't think I like much of what is considered exclusively country, but that's an admittedly ignorant sentiment.

escape artist fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 31, 2013

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."

escape artist posted:

Way Down In The Hole, I always wondered why they chose that one, when it's not even in his top 50 songs, in my opinion.

In one of Simon's books he mentions a particular West Baltimore spot that people in the neighborhood called the Hole. Probably a reference to that, as well as the fact that it complements the idea of people getting undone by their own character flaws that runs through the series. Y'know the whole Greek tragedy bit.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

escape artist posted:

I guess I don't think I like much of what is considered exclusively country, but that's an admittedly ignorant sentiment.

You're probably thinking of the Nashville Music Row stuff that's on the radio, which is like the rural white version of a minstrel show.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

watt par posted:

You're probably thinking of the Nashville Music Row stuff that's on the radio, which is like the rural white version of a minstrel show.

Yeah, when I think of country I think of Garth Brooks, Toby Keith, The Dixie Chicks... that kind of crap.

I also think I became conditioned to dislike it when I was very young, visiting my family in rural Virginia. They would throw around the n-word like it was acceptable... when I was an impressionable child. They'd play David Allen Coe and Hank Williams and the like. Had confederate flags hanging in their trashy homes where my immediate family would have paintings.

escape artist fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jan 31, 2013

Unzip and Attack
Mar 3, 2008

USPOL May

escape artist posted:

Haven't heard Jones but of course I love Johnny Cash.

This right here is some vintage Jones. He's the last of what many consider to be the real country musicians (before Garth Brooks ruined the genre by turning it into pop music). When he sings about drinking and heartache, he's not bull-making GBS threads. He's known as "No-Show Jones" because so many times during his career, he'd be scheduled to perform before some audience somewhere but he'd be passed out drunk in a seedy bar or motel. I grew up listening to him because of my dad and man, even though I'm not big on country in general I can't help but love this man.

Sorry for the derail - just had to put that out there!

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

escape artist posted:

Yeah, when I think of country I think of Garth Brooks, Toby Keith, The Dixie Chicks... that kind of crap.

I also think I became conditioned to dislike it when I was very young, visiting my family in rural Virginia. They would throw around the n-word like it was acceptable... when I was an impressionable child. They'd play David Allen Coe and Hank Williams and the like. Had confederate flags hanging in their trashy homes where my immediate family would have paintings.

David Allan Coe's alright. Racists latched on to him because he wrote a couple joke songs back in the 70s that Shel Silverstein of all people helped publish, and then everyone started confusing him with Johnny Rebel. There's no excuse for Hank Williams Jr. though. It's weird how the talent seemed to skip a generation in that family.

Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 31, 2013

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

escape artist posted:

I have not. Got a couple of song recommendations that I could maybe Youtube? Just to get a little taste.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKV7vt1kHnk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ31JD51wXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mw4ImMUmQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2LJkBtMm1c (technically a Kris Kristofferson song but whatever)

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

MrBling posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2LJkBtMm1c (technically a Kris Kristofferson song but whatever)

I always thought Janis Joplin wrote that.

Thanks for the links!

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you
Waylon's good stuff. He was in that same legendary generation of Elvis, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, and so on.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
This truly is the thread that keeps on giving. More observations that I didn't list earlier: after Ziggy murders Double G and exits the store, there's some really weird motion blur they use when he's staggering back to the car. It's off putting, and snaps back when it cuts to a shot of a parking meter expiring. It's a pretty cheesy device, but bugger me it doesn't half work in a "so obvious it should induce eye rolling but doesn't" kind of way. Also didn't know that former WWE superstar Vladimir Kozlov has a cameo as muscle for the greeks.

And on the subject of the theme tune and music in general, 'If I Should Fall From Grace With God' would have worked, but perhaps not the full blown Pogues original version. it's thematically similar to 'Way Down In The Hole' to work, but would need to be slowed down. Another little nugget is Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock's 'It Takes Two' which gets an airing during season one, and also happens to be used by Simon in the Homicide book to illustrate the beat of a Baltimore summer drowning in murders. 'Body Of An American' is also too genius when used at the wakes by the police, but another neat touch to me is using 'Transmetropolitan' by The Pogues to soundtrack Jimmy's failed attempts to crash his car. I didn't really think about it until hearing the song in full later, but my god, it really really fits.

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OregonDonor
Mar 12, 2010
Hank Williams (Sr., of course) is worth checking out. I noticed this on my second or third rewatch of The Wire but in S2 when Bunk and Freamon (maybe?) go to visit the tollbooth cop about seeing the runaway from the ship get beaten "A Mansion On the Hill" is playing, which is one of Hank's best.

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