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Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Kainser posted:

I hope that Yugoslavia will have Macedonia as a possible revolter in East vs West. The Paradox forums would explode :allears:

It gets better- the last start date for EvW is the Gulf War, and the game officially ends at 1992. We're looking at either plans for an official expansion covering the breakup of Yugoslavia and/or a civil war of nationalist mod makers. :getin:

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Noreaus
May 22, 2008

HEY, WHAT'S HAPPENING? :)
Edit: Ok, after a full clean reinstall I STILL can't play APD. I always get "exception in virtualfilesystem" and so on on the "initialising maplogic" step.

Noreaus fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 3, 2013

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
I've never played UE3 before, is Steppe Wolfe actually fun or is it like watching a trainwreck?

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Jon Joe posted:

I've never played UE3 before, is Steppe Wolfe actually fun or is it like watching a trainwreck?
Why not both? :v:

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Jon Joe posted:

I've never played UE3 before, is Steppe Wolfe actually fun or is it like watching a trainwreck?

It's fun like a game of Supreme Ruler is; nothing will make sense, the Holy Roman Empire will convert to Judaism and then declare itself defender of the Hindi faith, but drat if it won't be a wild trainwreck while it happens :allears:.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

I go away for the weekend and come back to this. Well played.

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
Whoever bought that - I love you.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
How long till EvW has a Byzantium mod?

Average Bear
Apr 4, 2010

RagnarokAngel posted:

How long till EvW has a Byzantium mod?

It's going to be a feature.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

RagnarokAngel posted:

How long till EvW has a Byzantium mod?

Patch Notes EvW 1.01:
-Reduced chances of Byzantium being formed, should only appear in 98% of games instead of 100.

Patch Notes EvW 1.02:
-After much input from forumgoers, removed "Restore Rome" decision from Greece, now only available to Yugoslavia.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Jon Joe posted:

I've never played UE3 before, is Steppe Wolfe actually fun or is it like watching a trainwreck?

Unreal Europa 3?

Rudi Starnberg
Jul 8, 2012
They should rename Steppe Wolfe Unreal Europa.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Just played some Kaiserreich as the Philippines. I did practically nothing. Canada hated me so I never got into their alliance, despite the Australasia Confederation loving the poo poo outta me. Russia went Soviet, so Germany got their poo poo kicked in, and eventually the Canadian alliance got called in (Germany ended up in their alliance, leaving Mitteleuropa as only Burma), but by the mid-late 1940's things had completely stalled, with nobody making any headway at all. I just sat there researching stuff (I was aiming for some Naval superiority, but I think I was absurdly behind the times anyway) and building some boats until I finally quit in 1951. This was also only the second time I saw someone other than the CSA win the war, with the USA winning, and becoming an alliance with the PSA and New England.

I know there are some mod-mods for Kaiserreich, are any of them good?

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

catlord posted:

Just played some Kaiserreich as the Philippines. I did practically nothing. Canada hated me so I never got into their alliance, despite the Australasia Confederation loving the poo poo outta me. Russia went Soviet, so Germany got their poo poo kicked in, and eventually the Canadian alliance got called in (Germany ended up in their alliance, leaving Mitteleuropa as only Burma), but by the mid-late 1940's things had completely stalled, with nobody making any headway at all. I just sat there researching stuff (I was aiming for some Naval superiority, but I think I was absurdly behind the times anyway) and building some boats until I finally quit in 1951. This was also only the second time I saw someone other than the CSA win the war, with the USA winning, and becoming an alliance with the PSA and New England.

I know there are some mod-mods for Kaiserreich, are any of them good?

Try turning up the AI aggressiveness, see if that helps any. (Its in the options menu when selecting a country)

Also, try spawning revolts (showid, revolt [provinceid#]) in one of the countries fighting, it'll cripple their industry.

Farecoal fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Feb 4, 2013

Gorgo Primus
Mar 29, 2009

We shall forge the most progressive republic ever known to man!
Everyones told me that Rome is unplayability unstable this patch, but aside from 7 or so random crashes over the course of the game it seemed to play fine for me. I think this was my first real full length game of EU: Rome too.



Not shown, is that I passed full gender equality. :smug:

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Farecoal posted:

Also, try spawning revolts (showid, revolt [provinceid#]) in one of the countries fighting, it'll cripple their industry.

Hmm, I might do that to Soviet Russia if it pops up in another game, because when they go Soviet they become an unstoppable force that will crush all in their way.

Bishop Rodan
Dec 5, 2011

See you in the funny papers, liebchen!

catlord posted:

Hmm, I might do that to Soviet Russia if it pops up in another game, because when they go Soviet they become an unstoppable force that will crush all in their way.

That's only if they win the Civil War though, which I've only seen happen when Russia gets completely ganked by every event possible (for example, Siberia declaring independence forcibly while they're at war with the Soviets, forcing them to fight a two-front war).

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Bishop Rodan posted:

That's only if they win the Civil War though, which I've only seen happen when Russia gets completely ganked by every event possible (for example, Siberia declaring independence forcibly while they're at war with the Soviets, forcing them to fight a two-front war).

Really? This game they didn't have a civil war, and Siberia didn't declare independence. I just looked up to see how Russia was doing (I think they might have been the empire?) and suddenly the north was red. I have seen the civil wars, but Russia seems to win that about half the time.

Edit: I'm playing the beta version, 1.4? Maybe that has something to do with it?

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.


There's a series of decisions you can take to voluntarily transform into the USSR a year or two into the game if you basically go hard left in a couple key decisions. I've never seen the AI take it (but then again Russia is my favorite country in Kaiserreich so...), but it is doable.

Speaking of which, is there a way to kick the British monarchy out of Canada and play as the glorious maple leaf nation? I've been fiddling around with taking decisions that the AI never takes (Internationale Japan was kind of fun for a while) and I... don't really know what I'd do after kicking the Royal Family out, but it would be better than clicking my way through a bunch of inconsequential events, then inevitably getting stuck in a Cold War across the Atlantic with the Union of Britain that I don't have the manpower to prosecute (until Germany takes over France and spends three years bombing Britain into oblivion, of course).

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Is there a Paradox chatroom/IRC where I can ask a million small questions about CK2 without spamming this thread?

Bishop Rodan
Dec 5, 2011

See you in the funny papers, liebchen!

FadingChord posted:

There's a series of decisions you can take to voluntarily transform into the USSR a year or two into the game if you basically go hard left in a couple key decisions. I've never seen the AI take it (but then again Russia is my favorite country in Kaiserreich so...), but it is doable.

Speaking of which, is there a way to kick the British monarchy out of Canada and play as the glorious maple leaf nation? I've been fiddling around with taking decisions that the AI never takes (Internationale Japan was kind of fun for a while) and I... don't really know what I'd do after kicking the Royal Family out, but it would be better than clicking my way through a bunch of inconsequential events, then inevitably getting stuck in a Cold War across the Atlantic with the Union of Britain that I don't have the manpower to prosecute (until Germany takes over France and spends three years bombing Britain into oblivion, of course).
Only way I know of is to lose enough territory to the UoB or CSA for the royals to flee the country, and by then you're basically hosed anyway.

You could always lose to the CSA/UoB though and play as the Socialist Republic of Canada!

And it isn't even certain that Germany will destroy France. In my second most recent game (as Japan) Germany ended up completely overrun by the Internationale, and fled to Mittleafrika which ended up conquered as well.

Mind you, the Internationale in that game consisted of France, Britain, Spain, South Italy, unified Scandinavia, and Ukraine, so that might have played a part in it.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Is there a Paradox chatroom/IRC where I can ask a million small questions about CK2 without spamming this thread?

There's a thread where you can ask!

EDIT: Sorry, missed this:

catlord posted:

Really? This game they didn't have a civil war, and Siberia didn't declare independence. I just looked up to see how Russia was doing (I think they might have been the empire?) and suddenly the north was red. I have seen the civil wars, but Russia seems to win that about half the time.

Edit: I'm playing the beta version, 1.4? Maybe that has something to do with it?
They also won when I played in the most recent, so maybe that beefed them up. In the previous one, Russia won every single time unless events really hosed it over.

Bishop Rodan fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 4, 2013

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

FadingChord posted:

There's a series of decisions you can take to voluntarily transform into the USSR a year or two into the game if you basically go hard left in a couple key decisions. I've never seen the AI take it (but then again Russia is my favorite country in Kaiserreich so...), but it is doable.

Bishop Rodan posted:

That's only if they win the Civil War though, which I've only seen happen when Russia gets completely ganked by every event possible (for example, Siberia declaring independence forcibly while they're at war with the Soviets, forcing them to fight a two-front war).

Yeah, in my current game Soviet Russia formed through the AI's decisions, rather than civil war, and they've been remarkably chill (only retook like half of Russia's old territory). When they won through civil war in my other games, they went on a mass-conquering spree.

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.


Bishop Rodan posted:

And it isn't even certain that Germany will destroy France. In my second most recent game (as Japan) Germany ended up completely overrun by the Internationale, and fled to Mittleafrika which ended up conquered as well.

Mind you, the Internationale in that game consisted of France, Britain, Spain, unified Scandinavia, and Ukraine, so that might have played a part in it.

I'm a couple betas back (for no good reason but :effort:) but I've never seen the Internationale win the second Weltkrieg. In my most recent game as Wrangel's Russia, I DoW'd on Germany a couple months into the war to grab some Baltic land and let France/Britain/CNT Spain do all the heavy lifting in the west; after a brief push into the Rhineland, the Internationale got pushed back and collapsed right after I got my boys into Berlin. Now I'm sitting on Germany, France, Denmark, the Benelux, and Aragon (which Germany also took with maybe five surviving divisions before I showed up) while I build transports and hope Germany will accept one of my peace offers. France surrendered when I was just outside Paris (which I found weird, even if we weren't allied or aligned).

I also created the Rhine Confederation or whatever that German substate is, then looked at the rulers and realized I'd released a Nazi paradise. I feel really bad about it now :smith:. Just when I thought my main German release going maximum Hugenberg was bad enough!

Cockblocktopus fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Feb 4, 2013

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet
Is there anyone out there who feels generous and still has one of those EU3: Chronicles keys stowed away from the big giveaway a while back? I have a friend who wants to give the game a try, so I figured it might be worth asking.

Friend Commuter
Nov 3, 2009
SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.
Smellrose

Kersch posted:

Is there anyone out there who feels generous and still has one of those EU3: Chronicles keys stowed away from the big giveaway a while back? I have a friend who wants to give the game a try, so I figured it might be worth asking.

PMed you mine.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat

Friend Commuter posted:

PMed you mine.

Yours probably got there first :v: Guess there's probably a couple of us out there.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


FadingChord posted:

I'm a couple betas back (for no good reason but :effort:) but I've never seen the Internationale win the second Weltkrieg.

1.4 has made it more likely for the Syndicalists to pose a credible threat. That might be because it seems more likely for Spain, USA and Russia to turn red. All anecdotal, of course.

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet

Friend Commuter posted:

PMed you mine.

Fergus Mac Roich posted:

Yours probably got there first :v: Guess there's probably a couple of us out there.

Woah, thanks! I'm passing Friend Commuter's key along to my buddy. I really appreciate this.

Rudi Starnberg
Jul 8, 2012

Gorgo Primus posted:

Everyones told me that Rome is unplayability unstable this patch, but aside from 7 or so random crashes over the course of the game it seemed to play fine for me. I think this was my first real full length game of EU: Rome too.



Not shown, is that I passed full gender equality. :smug:

All that and you didnt even retake the homeland?

Gorgo Primus
Mar 29, 2009

We shall forge the most progressive republic ever known to man!
I thought about taking back Tyre, but I wasn't about to get in the way of Super Egypt.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Okay so I started playing this game last night and managed to put in 9 hours :psyduck: I played as nothing but Ethiopia again and again, constantly restarting every time I got a game over. Several hilarious things happened over the course of the games. One game I attacked Adal, so Swahili declared war on me, but I made Adal my vassal and, since I was still at war with Swahili, I had Adal join the war. They proceeded to kick Swahilian butt and I managed to get huge concessions from them without lifting a finger. Another game I annexed Adal, then about 5 years later I sold pieces of it to Swahili for 600 gold. Immediately afterwards rebels took it over and reformed Adal, at which pointed I took it over again. I tried to sell it to Swahili again, but they wouldn't have it. Using my massive gold I formed several colonies, only to start deficiting shortly after reaching trade 2 and gaining my own center of trade, then having about 30 pretenders show up in an internal disputed succession and causing me to lose.

I think I love this game.

edit: What mods should I get? Which in the OP is the 'best'? Or should I just go crazy and get Steppe Wolfe?

Emmideer fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 4, 2013

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Definitely only play Steppe Wolfe once you're a veteran so you can appreciate the craziness and criminal modding neglect it contains. EU3+ has a bunch of changes that are cool but at the same time it might not be particularly friendly to newcomers. You should probably start with a more concrete vanilla experience, then start exploring the modding scene. miscmods is basically the vanilla+ mod, and you should go for it if you plan on a non-european game (like ethiopia), but I don't know how compatible it is with the latest patch. I think someone has kept it up to date but I can't say I remember anything more than that.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Do any of the mods remove wastelands and make them into things I can colonize/conquer? I'd like to unite Africa under a single banner!

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Steppe Wolfe removes it (out of virtue of using the Victoria 2 map/having a timeline extending to the modern age), as does the Whole World Mod (but I don't know if this is up to date). Others, such as MEIOU and I think maybe Death & Taxes have less wastelands (in MEIOU there's three or so passages through the Sahara and most stuff south of it that isn't deep rainforest is colonisable, for instance).

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Patter Song posted:

I'd highly recommend this book to anyone interested in learning more about that time period. It's one of the most fascinating history books I've ever read, with truly staggering amounts of information.

I'm personally fond of Heather's Empires and Barbarians: The Fall of Rome and the Birth of Europe. It's... a bit of a doorstopper, and perhaps a bit too much love for justifying premises within the body of the text (do you like analyzing burial patterns and potsherd dispersals? This book does!), but if you don't mind skimming through those bits, it's a very interesting and informative read. (I particularly liked his theory about how Rome ended up essentially creating the barbarian kingdoms that eventually destroyed it.)

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Escapist just released this EU4 article, this time talking about multi-player.

Not sure which of these already exist in EU3, but touted features are:
* Up to 32 players can join in on a game
* "Hot joins", where players can drop in and out of games as it just runs
* Standalone (dedicated?) servers so you can just host a game and leave it running as players drop in and out through the days
* Multiple customizable chat windows so you can have private conspiracies conversations across any number of the guys playing

Having said that, the article does say the games were being played through a LAN.

EU3 has theoretically allowed #LARGENUM of players since forever. In practice, stability is low enough that more than 3-4 players is impractical. Likewise CK2.

The architecture changes required for hot-joins & dedicated servers must be pretty major, though, so maybe that'll be all better now! I live in hopeful anticipation.

PleasingFungus fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 6, 2013

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
How are you defining impractical there, I've seen games with 20 people run pretty well. There's the occasional OOS and crashes but they aren't chronic.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Jon Joe posted:

Do any of the mods remove wastelands and make them into things I can colonize/conquer? I'd like to unite Africa under a single banner!
Whole World Mod would be exactly what you want, it adds a bunch of provinces and countries outside of Europe without messing too much with the gameplay, but unfortunately it hasn't been updated in a year and a half and it's effectively dead :(

I also heard good things about Terra Nova, and it's updated for 5.2 beta (though that will be the last version apparently) but I haven't tried it myself. I'd suggest you check that out.

MEIOU is another option, but it's a complete overhaul mod full of little changes everywhere so might not be a great choice for a new player.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

NihilCredo posted:

Whole World Mod would be exactly what you want, it adds a bunch of provinces and countries outside of Europe without messing too much with the gameplay, but unfortunately it hasn't been updated in a year and a half and it's effectively dead :(

I also heard good things about Terra Nova, and it's updated for 5.2 beta (though that will be the last version apparently) but I haven't tried it myself. I'd suggest you check that out.

MEIOU is another option, but it's a complete overhaul mod full of little changes everywhere so might not be a great choice for a new player.

There's also this:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?614446-%28MOD%29-States-Mod

Which is based off CanOsmer's great map revision and then adds provinces for the rest of the world to remove the Wasteland. The 'base' scenario includes a country for each of the 50 states in the USA, but there's also a scenario that is just vanilla EU3 and doesn't include them. Of the (small number) of working whole world maps I like this one best.

I wish someone would adapt the V2 map as just a map, without adding mountains of crazy like Steppewolfe.



EDIT: My big problem with Terra Universalis http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?387387-Terra-Universalis-mod-%28no-PTI%29 is that it adds so many tags it slows my game waaaaaaay down. I may try removing a bunch and seeing if that helps.

EDIT EDIT: Hell yes it does. Going to have to do some culling and maybe some scenario editing to make a lite version of this mod so it a little more playable on my machine.

Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Feb 4, 2013

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

PleasingFungus posted:

I'm personally fond of Empires and Barbarians: The Fall of Rome and the Birth of Europe. It's... a bit of a doorstopper, and perhaps a bit too much love for justifying premises within the body of the text (do you like analyzing burial patterns and potsherd dispersals? This book does!), but if you don't mind skimming through those bits, it's a very interesting and informative read. (I particularly liked his theory about how Rome ended up essentially creating the barbarian kingdoms that eventually destroyed it.)

If we're making barbarian migration book recommendations, I'd feel remiss if I didn't give a shout out to my old professor Guy Halsall's Barbarian Migrations. He challenges a lot of Heather's ideas and has a more engaging writing style than Heather so it's worth a read if you've read Heather. A little on the pricey side but he is the (self-professed) most significant historian of early medieval Europe under the age of 60 anywhere in the world.

I agree with the people who've said this period would be very difficult to model in a Paradox game though and as much as I'd like to be able to run a game from the Roman Republic through to the end of the Cold War in the Clausewitz engine, I don't see it happening.

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telcontar
Dec 8, 2006

Graham Gremlin posted:

I agree with the people who've said this period would be very difficult to model in a Paradox game
I don't see why, or at least I don't see what makes it more difficult than any of the other time periods Paradox games cover.

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