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Feb 4, 2013 09:32
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:See, I'm going to come across as obtuse, but I don't believe there are street smarts and book smarts. There's just smart. You can be as smart as you want and still get hosed because you are a human being trapped in an inhuman world. Wallace was killed for having a normal response to a horrible crime, so was D, except in D's case it was many, many horrible crimes. Both of those kids were smart and end up chewed up by the war on drugs.
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Feb 4, 2013 15:54
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:See, I'm . . . obtuse The show wouldn't be realistic, entertaining or nearly as good if they had people who made perfect decisions ever time. Maybe your definition of smart is closer to "highly intelligent, not often fallible" or something but they were still capable people in their own right. As a result of their environment, they were all flawed. In this light, Wallace should have left everything he had ever known for some goal he knew existed but no one showed him and he had no real concept of. Right. "This right here is me, yo" D should give up years of conditioning on a whim almost instantly and block everyone he knows out. Bodie should keep his opinions to himself and accept his role as a pawn even further when he knows its a bullshit place to be more than ever. They don't have to be perfect to be smart. All of them showed they could have done better with their lives in they had grown up in an environment where academics, work, positive attitudes were encouraged instead of selling drugs.
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Feb 4, 2013 16:03
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That actually seems to be the point the show was making, too.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:10
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By the same token McNulty is not smart for continuously bashing his head against the system. Prop Joe is not smart for bringing Marlo under his wing. Stringers not smart for trying his hand at a game he didn't fully understand. They did dumb things, but one can't reasonably say these were unintelligent people, the same goes for D, Wallace and Bodie. Also one need not look much further than Namond for street vs book smarts.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:17
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ChairMaster posted:The point of the Bordello bust wasn't to stop human trafficking or even hinder it, it was just to gather information for the case they were working in the first place. Besides, nobody accomplished anything on the large scale in The Wire, people generally weren't even interested in that, aside from Lester Freamon and McNulty. Everyone knew they couldn't stop human trafficking any more than they could stop the gang wars or the war on drugs. The only person who ever really did anything towards making a difference was Bunny with Hamsterdam, and we all know how that turned out. Yeah, but what the show reflects are the priorities. The bordello bust was, as you say, simply a piece of a larger puzzle and a joke that becomes a department legend. But when the FBI finds the coke in the paint cans, it's a huzzah moment. Both actions are equally futile, but one gets major press coverage as a 'win'. As for Frank supporting the evils of the drug trade, I was referring to how he could rationalize it to himself. With the slave trade, there's no good rationalization for it- he just swallowed the evil and took the profits in the end. That's the key distinction- it's one thing to rationalize away things that are happening at a safe remove, another to see them carting out the bodies in your own house the way Frank did. The thing is that's what makes Frank such a great character, though. When push comes to shove, he makes an ugly, ugly decision. There's no story if he goes and talks to his brother until he has a moral revelation and decides the checkers should fly right until the port closes.
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Feb 4, 2013 17:29
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Naylenas posted:"gently caress those West Coast niggas. In B-More, we aim to hit a nigga, y'heard?" Snoop was probably the only character who I needed subtitles to understand what the gently caress she was saying.
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Feb 4, 2013 18:20
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Alhazred posted:Snoop was probably the only character who I needed subtitles to understand what the gently caress she was saying. As far as I know she's the closest the show comes to depicting what real street lingo in B-more sounds like. I mean, they did basically pluck her right off the corners.
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Feb 5, 2013 08:25
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Alhazred posted:Snoop was probably the only character who I needed subtitles to understand what the gently caress she was saying. My favorite is when she goes to the B and Q American equivalent to buy a nail gun. At first I was like is it a girl or boy, then I was like what is she saying, and finally I had to fast forward my DVD a scene to check I had put the right DVD in the player. Is this start of season 4
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Feb 5, 2013 17:09
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ally_1986 posted:My favorite is when she goes to the B and Q American equivalent to buy a nail gun. At first I was like is it a girl or boy, then I was like what is she saying, and finally I had to fast forward my DVD a scene to check I had put the right DVD in the player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U "You earned that buck like a motherfucker, man. Keep that poo poo." Best opening to a season I've ever seen, hands down. In any other show, we'd start with Chris and Snoop killing someone, but when it's a pretty long sequence of a minor character buying a nail gun? The threat is in the air, even if you can't guess why she's buying it. You could replace "Chekov's Gun" with "Snoop's Nailgun"...
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Feb 5, 2013 18:29
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Spoilers Below posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U Just noticed she left the old 300$ Dewalt behind on the counter.
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Feb 5, 2013 21:57
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Spoilers Below posted:"You earned that buck like a motherfucker, man. Keep that poo poo." I thought she said "that bump" like a bump up in his pay. Is it "buck" ? It's hard to tell.
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Feb 6, 2013 00:54
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Slo-Tek posted:Just noticed she left the old 300$ Dewalt behind on the counter. She also tipped the salesperson $800, more than what the nailgun actually cost. I'm doing my rewatch with a friend who hasn't seen the wire before and I can't wait till we get to this scene. Also, This American Life recently had a show on "dopplegangers" where they psychologically compared a young man on the streets of Philadelphia with a young veteran from Afganhistan: quote:Act Two: In Country, In City http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/484/doppelgangers
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Feb 6, 2013 02:55
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Fellis posted:She also tipped the salesperson $800, more than what the nailgun actually cost. I'm doing my rewatch with a friend who hasn't seen the wire before and I can't wait till we get to this scene. No, she gave him 800$ for a 680$ nailgun. 120$ tip for him to take care of the actual purchase. Still, not a bad days work. earned dat bump.
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Feb 6, 2013 04:12
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End of Life Guy posted:I thought she said "that bump" like a bump up in his pay. It's buck.
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Feb 6, 2013 04:29
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I also thought it was bump, it made a lot of sense to me since she was giving him a bump in pay for the good job he did in selling her on the nail gun. Snoop appreciates a good work ethic!
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Feb 6, 2013 04:51
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Slo-Tek posted:No, she gave him 800$ for a 680$ nailgun. 120$ tip for him to take care of the actual purchase. Still, not a bad days work. earned dat bump. Yeah I just watched it again and I didn't hear her say "you take care of that" I guess it proves the point that she's hard to understand though  I'm pretty sure she's saying buck as in ~$100, like how a dime bag was $10
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Feb 6, 2013 06:27
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She's gotta be saying bump, come on white people you're embarrassing yourselves. I'm almost done with season 3 on my rewatch, and a testament to how good the show is - I still don't know how I feel about Hamsterdam. It's such an incredibly complex situation that I can't just assign it to categories Right or Wrong.
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Feb 6, 2013 17:21
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I dunno if it's just cause I watched the whole show wearing headphones but I never had any trouble understanding Snoop, and I'm pretty drat white. That whole scene is excellent though. "Yea, man. Man said if you wanna shoot nails this here's the Cadillac. He meant Lexus but he ain't know it."
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Feb 6, 2013 17:53
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ChairMaster posted:I dunno if it's just cause I watched the whole show wearing headphones but I never had any trouble understanding Snoop, and I'm pretty drat white. Seriously, the accents aren't that thick. Anyway: 
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Feb 6, 2013 18:10
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Subtitled by a white person.  Google tells me that it's buck, too, to be honest. It's the old "throw it in quotes" test. snoop "you earned that buck" - About 135,000 results (0.27 seconds) snoop "you earned that bump" - 92 results (0.26 seconds) That's admittable evidence, right there. I'm not too big to admit I was wrong about it being bump.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:29
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Half the replies in the youtube clip of that scene are arguing over whether it's bump or buck too. I had no idea this was a thing.
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Feb 6, 2013 18:56
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I always thought she said buck but I just listened to it a couple times and it's most definitely bump.
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Feb 6, 2013 19:55
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I also distinctly recall that she said "man" during the line; "You earned that [____] like a motherfucker, man, keep that poo poo." I'm not arguing that this omission definitely proves that it's bump, but people make mistakes when transcribing audio all the time so I guess I actually am? Anyway it's bump and if it's going to go down in history as "buck" then let this post serve as a reminder that I was wrong on something about the American television show The Wire.
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Feb 6, 2013 20:50
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watt par posted:Seriously, the accents aren't that thick. Not to say this is one of them (I always heard bump but buck makes sense), but there are a great deal of obvious errors in the subtitles.
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Feb 6, 2013 20:51
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:She's gotta be saying bump, come on white people you're embarrassing yourselves. That's why I like it (and The Wire, obviously) because assigning right and wrong as labels is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. Hamsterdam is a HORRIBLE idea, a nightmare, an ugly and disgusting thing. But so is the alternative, and what Hamsterdam has going for it is that it takes all that ugliness and horror and it puts it all together in one place, giving you a concentrated look at exactly what was going on (and is STILL going on) in the world. Shutting down Hamsterdam and bulldozing the buildings is a bandaid/placebo to make people feel better about their "outrage", like something has been done. But the problem is still there, it's just spread out thinner. The status quo and Hamsterdam are opposite ends of the spectrum but share the same basic problem - they're designed to make it easier for people to ignore the problem rather than treat it.
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Feb 6, 2013 22:22
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Jerusalem posted:That's why I like it (and The Wire, obviously) because assigning right and wrong as labels is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. Hamsterdam is a HORRIBLE idea, a nightmare, an ugly and disgusting thing. But so is the alternative, and what Hamsterdam has going for it is that it takes all that ugliness and horror and it puts it all together in one place, giving you a concentrated look at exactly what was going on (and is STILL going on) in the world. Shutting down Hamsterdam and bulldozing the buildings is a bandaid/placebo to make people feel better about their "outrage", like something has been done. But the problem is still there, it's just spread out thinner. You get the real sense of that when Bunny takes the Deacon down to see it. Bunny is seeing what he's done overall for the Western District. He's thinking of the corners where they aren't having to pick up bodies, he's thinking of how the citizens can actually go out on the streets now. Because of that, he's somewhat blind to the horror of Hamsterdam. The Deacon comes in and sees that yeah maybe he's doing good elsewhere, but right there he has a swamp that's eating people. +1 vote for 'bump' over 'buck'.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:44
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The scene with the Deacon being horrified at Hamsterdam was one of the lamest in the series imho. Like this streetwise deacon hasn't seen worse, or couldn't understand the good it was doing. It would have made much more sense if it was a straightlaced city council member being shocked at *gasp* drugs being sold without threat of incarceration! Charity groups doing needle exchanges! The horror!
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Feb 7, 2013 04:59
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the black husserl posted:The scene with the Deacon being horrified at Hamsterdam was one of the lamest in the series imho. Like this streetwise deacon hasn't seen worse, or couldn't understand the good it was doing. It was before there was needle exchanges and other health initiatives, that whole stuff happened after the Deacon saw all that and got Bunny connected with the health experts, youth workers and university people. He didn't think the whole idea was bad, just the fact that the cops were herding down drug dealers, addicts, prostitutes and hoppers in one single place and not doing anything to help them once they were there. You are remembering the order wrong.
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Feb 7, 2013 05:21
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DarkCrawler posted:It was before there was needle exchanges and other health initiatives, that whole stuff happened after the Deacon saw all that and got Bunny connected with the health experts, youth workers and university people. He didn't think the whole idea was bad, just the fact that the cops were herding down drug dealers, addicts, prostitutes and hoppers in one single place and not doing anything to help them once they were there. You are remembering the order wrong. The Deacon still chides him after it gets shut down, though.
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Feb 7, 2013 05:30
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computer parts posted:The Deacon still chides him after it gets shut down, though. But not about it being a bad idea on it's own merits, but what was he really expecting would ensure from it?
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Feb 7, 2013 05:50
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Ive been crazy about this show for years and I cant believe it took me so long to look for a thread here. As a die-hard fan, can someone explain to me what the issue is with season 5? I hear alot of people say that they didnt care for it, and while it clearly wasnt up to snuff after how amazing season 4 was, I still found it incredibly original. The opening where Freamon and McNutty are hiding in the comm closet making the fake serial killer call always cracks me up. Also: "How my head look, man?" "...it look good girl."
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Feb 7, 2013 05:53
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Benny D posted:Ive been crazy about this show for years and I cant believe it took me so long to look for a thread here. As a die-hard fan, can someone explain to me what the issue is with season 5? I hear alot of people say that they didnt care for it, and while it clearly wasnt up to snuff after how amazing season 4 was, I still found it incredibly original. The opening where Freamon and McNutty are hiding in the comm closet making the fake serial killer call always cracks me up. To me, at least, the newspaper story is done in a far more heavy handed way than what you see elsewhere. It is perhaps the one "institutional" story where good guys and bad guys, right and wrong are clearly set apart, with very little gray. Which is not to say that it is a bad season. Just not nearly as good as the others.
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Feb 7, 2013 06:47
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Benny D posted:Ive been crazy about this show for years and I cant believe it took me so long to look for a thread here. As a die-hard fan, can someone explain to me what the issue is with season 5? I hear alot of people say that they didnt care for it, and while it clearly wasnt up to snuff after how amazing season 4 was, I still found it incredibly original. The opening where Freamon and McNutty are hiding in the comm closet making the fake serial killer call always cracks me up. I thought the newspaper stuff was a bit dull, and McNulty's behavior I thought was a little too extreme for his character (at least the first faking the murder part, everything after fit his typical "oh poo poo what do I do now" sort of gimmick).
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Feb 7, 2013 06:54
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I thought the whole serial killer thing was just too far over the top, personally. It distracted from the realism of the show, I found.
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Feb 7, 2013 07:01
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Benny D posted:Ive been crazy about this show for years and I cant believe it took me so long to look for a thread here. As a die-hard fan, can someone explain to me what the issue is with season 5? I hear alot of people say that they didnt care for it, and while it clearly wasnt up to snuff after how amazing season 4 was, I still found it incredibly original. The opening where Freamon and McNutty are hiding in the comm closet making the fake serial killer call always cracks me up. S5's flaws are forgivable but greatly amplified by the poor acting among the newspaper staff. I'd assume they're mostly professionals, and they did generally worse than the people who weren't pro actors in other seasons. Gutierrez makes me really uncomfortable to watch, it's so embarrassing. I think this was the 'realism problem' more than the outlandish plots.
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Feb 7, 2013 07:03
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Benny D posted:"How my head look, man?" From a Nickelodeon show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYFzKbeIPA&t=1m40s
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Feb 7, 2013 07:34
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joepinetree posted:To me, at least, the newspaper story is done in a far more heavy handed way than what you see elsewhere. It is perhaps the one "institutional" story where good guys and bad guys, right and wrong are clearly set apart, with very little gray. Which is not to say that it is a bad season. Just not nearly as good as the others. Exactly. I honestly have more trouble with the newspaper plot than the fake serial killer, which at least provides a lot of black comedy. Gus is too much of an author insert (Bunny is also an author insert but for Ed Burns, yet he's much more fleshed out and interesting), and Gale Boetticher and the suspenders guy are too one dimensional. Simon just never got over the way things ended for him at the Sun, it seems. And as Sepinwall has pointed out, Scott Templeton seems exactly the sort of "bad apple" that the show fairly specifically portrays NOT as a thing in other institutions. (To this end, what really makes me despise that character is that his fabulism is indirectly responsible for destroying Daniels' career in the department - he makes up a quote about Daniels stabbing Burrell in the back, which infuriates Burrell to the point of not going quietly, and slipping Nerese Campbell the Daniels file before he leaves.) It's really frustrating because the intrinsic message of season 5, which is entirely in subtext, is basically this, to quote Simon: if you think the media is ever going to give a poo poo about any of the sort of stories and problems portrayed on The Wire, think again. The most important thematic moments in season 5, by design, are blink-and-you-miss-it or nonexistent altogether - when Prop Joe dies, Gus doesn't recognize his name; the police department is falling apart because Carcetti chose to reject the state money and nobody reports on this; when the Marlo investigation shuts down, nobody from the paper even thinks about it. To me, this is just as powerful a message as any of the other 4, but it's not executed that well for the reasons above. And there are some potentially great stuff about the media that gets abandoned, like the whole "less is more" thing. That said season 5 gets better the more I watch it. As I've said I always forget how much black comedy is in that season. And the ending, of course, is perfect. Mind you I think season 4 was the best season of TV I've ever watched so it would have been impossible to follow up on that. grading essays nude fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 07:52
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End of Life Guy posted:From a Nickelodeon show: Holy poo poo
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Feb 7, 2013 08:11
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escape artist posted:Holy poo poo I know, right?!
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