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Factory Factory posted:MSI's GD- series boards also use the Intel NIC, like the Z77A-GD55. Ugh. I'm pretty sure this particular board uses the onboard Intel NIC that caused me to have to purchase an actual NIC. Because of the way my file server works, in order to obtain best possible network file transfer speeds, I have to adjust a specific setting on all NICs. I need the ability to adjust the Jumbo Packet setting to 4088 Bytes. Last time I tried that with an onboard Intel NIC, it didn't give the option to adjust the value.
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It has the same onboard Intel NIC as my ASUS board and it's possible to adjust Jumbo packet size to 4088 or 9014 bytes on mine. Maybe you need to install the Intel drivers if you're using the ones Windows installs by default.
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HalloKitty posted:Eh, not true. Some things do benefit massively from overclocking. 
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Palladium posted:I'm quite sure Intel boards are made by Foxconn for ages who doesn't exactly have a reputation of quality in the PC business. Information on that is hard to come by because hardly anyone pays attention to non-overclocking boards. Built by Foxconn is different from designed/branded by Foxconn. Intel will pay for better components and better soldering than Foxconn will put into their own brand.
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E5-4650 (20M Cache, 2.70 GHz) vs E5-2690 (20M Cache, 2.90 GHz) http://ark.intel.com/compare/64622,64596 Are the differences between this newer and older CPU really worth almost double the cost? I take it the big factor is S4S vs 2S scalability? Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Shaocaholica posted:E5-4650 (20M Cache, 2.70 GHz) vs E5-2690 (20M Cache, 2.90 GHz) Those aren't significantly different CPUs. They're both Sandy Bridge EP octocores. They're clocked slightly differently - the 2690 has a significantly higher clockspeed for only 5W higher TDP. They both support DDR3-1600 SDRAM. The only significant difference is that the 46xx series is for 4-socket boards and the 26xx series is limited to dual socket.
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Welcome to the 4P tax. There is no reason to buy the 4P chip if you don't want to run it in a 4socket system.
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sincx posted:Has there been any speculation as to whether Intel will continue to use TIM for Haswell, or switch back to fluxless solder? On one of AnandTech's recent podcasts, Anand said he knew the answer but was under NDA, but he "thinks" that the situation will be better.
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It's too bad that there aren't any hexacore CPUs in the pipeline (yet?) I'd really like one for prosumer level virtualization.
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... i7-3930K and -3960X? There have been hexacore CPUs since Westmere.
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Any oct-core core for the enthusiasts? I was hoping that they will up the ante and increase the core count from 6 to 8 this round now that they can keep the heat and power down.
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Factory Factory posted:... i7-3930K and -3960X? There have been hexacore CPUs since Westmere.
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Oh.DaNzA posted:Any oct-core core for the enthusiasts? I was hoping that they will up the ante and increase the core count from 6 to 8 this round now that they can keep the heat and power down. We'll have to wait for the Haswell Xeons to be announced. We don't even have the basics out yet.
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Are the Xeons usually released that much later? Desktop SKUs were known for quite a while now, while there's apparently nothing (or not much) on the Xeons, suggesting end of year or beyond.
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Sandy Bridge E was released 11 months after regular ol' SNB was. Xeon E5s and E7s took a few more months besides.
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Ah well, Haswell i7 it will be. I do want a new mainboard in near future, that allows me to enable VT-d, and I'm not going to buy one without a new CPU.
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Is there a comparison out yet that shows the differences between the Haswell consumer processors and the Haswell Xeons? I know it's far away but I wasn't sure if they released any information on that.
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THEY CALL HIM BOSS posted:Is there a comparison out yet that shows the differences between the Haswell consumer processors and the Haswell Xeons? I know it's far away but I wasn't sure if they released any information on that. Traditionally it is just adding support for multi-processor configurations, more cache, and larger memory maximums. I wouldn't expect a crazy departure from the consumer-grade stuff.
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THEY CALL HIM BOSS posted:Is there a comparison out yet that shows the differences between the Haswell consumer processors and the Haswell Xeons? I know it's far away but I wasn't sure if they released any information on that. QPI, large amounts of PCIe lanes, some additional features (and SKUs) for chipsets (differentiation between storage, comms, etc), etc (like Patsburg had different SKUs ranging from some with integrated x4 GbE MACs to others with large numbers of SATA/SAS ports). Though now that I think about it, I have no idea if the Ivy Xeons other than the E3s are publicly sold yet. At least you can still design with currently available hardware/specs 
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I love how Intel made this confusing and made both Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge "E3" processors and even gave them the same name other than tacking "v2" on the end.
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Whats the point of LGA1155 Xeons? They aren't dual socket capable. Why bother going Xeon? What do the LGA1155 Xeons offer that the desktop CPUs don't? ECC memory support? How big a deal is ECC memory these days? Does it really benefit average Joe workstation user to have ECC memory? Wow I just realized I asked 5 questions in a row. Sorry for the horrible formatting.
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Shaocaholica posted:Whats the point of LGA1155 Xeons? They aren't dual socket capable. Why bother going Xeon? What do the LGA1155 Xeons offer that the desktop CPUs don't? ECC memory support? How big a deal is ECC memory these days? Does it really benefit average Joe workstation user to have ECC memory? Wow I just realized I asked 5 questions in a row. Sorry for the horrible formatting.
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If I want a mainboard with actual VT-d support, that is not just on paper but then leaving it off and out of the BIOS (I'm looking at you, Asus), I'm guaranteed to get this if I go with Intel? Or does that also depend on the mainboard model, even tho the chipset does support it? I'm currently loosely planning a Haswell build (need some quotes to plan my budget on).
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Is Haswell primarily concerning itself with lower power usage and quality integrated graphics or will there also be a significant speed/power improvement over Ivy Bridges?
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Alereon posted:Xeons provide you with all the features of a fully unlocked Core i7, including TXT, VPro, and VT-d, and with workstation graphics (HD P4000 is to HD 4000 as Quadro is to Geforce, same hardware but professional drivers).
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Haswell primarily concerning itself with lower power usage and quality integrated graphics or will there also be a significant speed/power improvement over Ivy Bridges? Graphics and power will be the primary focus of the chip, and those will be where the craziest improvements come in. There will be about a 10% per-clock IPC improvement in general (a change greater than Ivy vs. Sandy, but smaller than Sandy vs. Nehalem), the chip includes AVX2 instructions and execution port changes that can potentially double peak FP throughput (plus fused multiply-add operations), increases the number of cryptography types to the hardware-enhanced decrypt unit, and the TSX instruction set will improve multithreading performance by reducing overhead needs caused by data synchronization. As well, the GPU is getting some additional processing capability like 4K video and assisted encode/decode for motion JPEG (think webcam output), so more high-end stuff will be available at a lower power point (both in terms of oomph and in terms of watts).
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This might be a dumb question, but how long does it take for a new generation of CPUs to push the prices down on the previous generation? I.e. could the Haswell platform, released in June, see a drop in the 1155 Socket i3's and i5's by September or so? I know that when we're on the cusp of a new architecture we tend to hear 'don't buy yet, wait for the next gen or at least til prices drop', is this a significant enough improvement for that be a consideration when buying a new PC halfway through 2013?
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Intel never drops prices on their chips. Just doesn't happen. AMD only drops prices once they've finished fleecing the fanboys for the obviously deficient chips. The only time Intel chips have gone on sale has been when a store puts them on a big loss-leader sale to clear out old inventory, mostly Micro Center but occasionally others. Intel's big new chips are nice because they increase the performance you get at a given price point, not because it makes the last gen good-enough stuff more affordable (except in the used market, where hardware already depreciates super fast).
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Mr Chips posted:The E3 V2 Xeons also have 20 PCI-E lanes compared to the 16 on the i7-3xxx CPUs.
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Factory Factory posted:Graphics and power will be the primary focus of the chip, and those will be where the craziest improvements come in. There will be about a 10% per-clock IPC improvement in general (a change greater than Ivy vs. Sandy, but smaller than Sandy vs. Nehalem), the chip includes AVX2 instructions and execution port changes that can potentially double peak FP throughput (plus fused multiply-add operations), increases the number of cryptography types to the hardware-enhanced decrypt unit, and the TSX instruction set will improve multithreading performance by reducing overhead needs caused by data synchronization. So if you have a dedicate GPU will the upgrade really matter?
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From what? Home use from Sandy or Ivy? No. But for many non-gaming, non-media consumption workloads and for mobile devices, it's a crazy good upgrade.
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Alereon posted:I don't believe this is the case, it's the same socket so there'd be nowhere to hook them up. In either case I believe it's 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes from the CPU, 4 PCI-E 2.0 lanes to the chipset used as DMI 2.0, and 8 PCI-E 2.0 lanes from the chipset to peripherals. I must be reading this wrong then
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Maybe the lanes have always been there but some of them disabled on the desktop version? Edit: also, whats the benefit of an unlocked Xeon? Are there Xeon boards that support OC? Or will the 1155 Xeons work in a desktop 1155 board? Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 14, 2013 |
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Mr Chips posted:I must be reading this wrong then
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Alereon posted:Interesting, it appears you're correct, I'm surprised they'd have four additional lanes and only turn them on on the Xeons.
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Whaddaya know. It's even definitely CPU lanes according to Intel's product brief block diagram.
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Factory Factory posted:From what? Home use from Sandy or Ivy? No. But for many non-gaming, non-media consumption workloads and for mobile devices, it's a crazy good upgrade. Yeah Im concerned with the gaming possibilities. Well I plan to build a new desktop PC this summer anyway so I'm sure there will be a good priced Haswell comparable to the 2500k from 2 years ago.
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Like Alereon said, it's mostly for VT-d and PCIE lanes. I built a home lab for VMWare, and an E3-1230 has been great for that. For infrastructure applications, the board or chipset being on the HCL is a big deal, and no consumer chipset ever will be. Since I am doing a virtualized storage environment (Nexenta), I needed VT-d to pass my HBA through ESXi to the Virtual Guest. Also, most Xeon chipsets use Intel Gigabit NICs, which is great for enterprise apps. I wish I had waited a bit because the V2 line came out like 2 months later, and had a SKU at the price point I wanted that had the GPU integrated, because I have to use a crappy GF 430 now on my Virtual Host.
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Factory Factory posted:From what? Home use from Sandy or Ivy? No. But for many non-gaming, non-media consumption workloads and for mobile devices, it's a crazy good upgrade. Even the HD3000 or HD4000 are definitely fast enough for media consumption unless you are watching 4k stuff. And they are actually decent in most games besides the bleeding edge stuff like farcry 3.
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