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VogeGandire posted:There's actually a mention of that in his first book that, when he looked up what his first theme was actually called, it was "Basketball Highlights #12". Of course, WCW weren't alone in that. I've definitely heard Crash Holly's theme on commercials before, and even spotted the Hardy Boyz theme on Top Gear.* *The Eagle Hammerhead iThrust/"Geoff" episode, if you're interested.
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The American Dream posted:spikeTV uses Bob Hollys theme in it's commercials, I know I've heard the Hardys theme on a commercial or tv show at some point. Jericho's old theme was the Evenflow rip off right? The Basketball Highlights one was his theme when he first came into WCW as a face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWM2gazwf6A Then yeah, it was the Pearl Jam ripoff.
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I always found it really strange how the WWF went with stock music for Holly and the Hardys. Was Jim Johnston just going through a bad case of writers block in 1998 or something?
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I think it was more a case of Jim being overworked. He done LOADS of themes around that period, so they just made up the numbers with stock music.
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Booker T's music in particular baffles me. It's a copyrighted song but WCW/WWE have been using it since the early 90s. It was also used in a Kids in the Hall sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-CtKIo7olM
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sticklefifer posted:Booker T's music in particular baffles me. It's a copyrighted song but WCW/WWE have been using it since the early 90s. It's production music; you pay a yearly fee to a music house and can use anything from their library in your work. I have boxes full of production music CDs next to my desk at work and all of it reeks of something 1990s WCW would use. TealShark fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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I can distinctly remember Goldberg's WCW theme being used a lot in World War II shows on the History Channel, when they actually showed history stuff that is. It usually undercut footage of German tanks rolling through the countryside and never failed to get my attention once it started playing. Kinda makes me wonder why they bothered to write him a new sound-alike theme when he debuted in WWE, unless that particular stock music library was out of print by then or something.
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TealShark posted:It's production music; you pay a yearly fee to a music house and can use anything from their library in your work. I have boxes full of production music CDs next to my desk at work and all of it wreaks of something 1990s WCW would use. Yep, the old place I worked that did dvd editing had loads of that poo poo. It was amazing how some of it was so recognizable due to being used in old wrestling themes, commercials, and various other sporting events.
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sticklefifer posted:Booker T's music in particular baffles me. It's a copyrighted song but WCW/WWE have been using it since the early 90s. And then of course came the brilliant Russo angle where Booker T lost the rights to Harlem Heat and the letter "T" to Stevie Ray and Ahmed Johnson and had to come out to random Mickey Mouse production music  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBaYoZzaQQ
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VogeGandire posted:There's actually a mention of that in his first book that, when he looked up what his first theme was actually called, it was "Basketball Highlights #12". Apparently it was an actual song with lyrics at some point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNkI1bBSHI
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Red posted:And it's clear that Scott Keith is not well liked on SA, which I don't quite understand. Why is that? Keith is the kind of guy who does not so much like/love something as he becomes obsessed with something. Back in the day, when information and data and whatnot was harder to find, his obsession led to him having more seeming knowledge about the product than most, which made him stand out. Unfortunately, obsession also leads to lack of self-reflection or general understanding, and so Keith's bad habits never changed, and when the wrestling community evolved and realized that, just how lacking the rest of his work was became apparent. Keith is also the type who is absolutely certain that if the people like Vince handed him the keys to the kingdom, he'd have ratings in the 7.0's within six months and having every PPV doing 750K to a million buys, when in reality they'd probably last a week at most (hell I doubt types like Keith would last five minutes outside of their bubbles). The kind of people who talk about what an absolute horrible job the people in charge are doing and insinuating they could do things 1000x better, without realizing they'd be eaten alive in no time. You have to grow out of that attitude as a critic, or it destroys your whole ability to assess.
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Scirocco Griffon posted:I can distinctly remember Goldberg's WCW theme being used a lot in World War II shows on the History Channel, when they actually showed history stuff that is. It usually undercut footage of German tanks rolling through the countryside and never failed to get my attention once it started playing. They probably just wanted something a little more distinct. Even though they still use Booker's theme, they tacked on the "Can you dig it?!" thing at the beginning so they could sort of make it their own.
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Scirocco Griffon posted:I can distinctly remember Goldberg's WCW theme being used a lot in World War II shows on the History Channel, when they actually showed history stuff that is. It usually undercut footage of German tanks rolling through the countryside and never failed to get my attention once it started playing. If they own the rights to the song, they don't have to pay licensing royalties every time they use it on Television/Home Video. Flair's WCW theme that he came back to WWE with in 2002 was stock - Jim Johnston made his own version of the song so that WWE didn't have to license the stock version. Same reason why a lot of themes on the Wrestlemania/Royal Rumble DVD anthologies were edited out - Jimmy Hart wrote a lot of WWE's music pre-1993 and WWE didn't want to pay him for the song rights on DVD. The TNA video library is going to be very, very valuable because 99% of their music was produced in-house and won't have to be edited off DVD releases if WWE buys it.
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EugeneJ posted:Flair's WCW theme that he came back to WWE with in 2002 was stock - Jim Johnston made his own version of the song so that WWE didn't have to license the stock version. Actually, Flair's theme is public domain. I'm pretty sure Johnston (or whoever else made the decision) just added the "WOOOOO!" at the start because he puts a hook or sound effect at the start of every song. EDIT - Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure exactly how that works. Maybe it being public domain just means the stock music company was free to make their version? WWE's version always just sounded like it was the original song edited so it kicked in quicker. Perry Normal fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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VogeGandire posted:The Basketball Highlights one was his theme when he first came into WCW as a face. I'm pretty sure this might be one of my favorite YouTube comments ever. "Some awesome YouTuber posted:I imagine myself slow motion dunking a basketball off an alley oop from my K9 partner in order to defeat the favored rich kid team at the last second while all the cancer kids at the hospital cheer because we just won a huge check for them that can be used to keep the cancer ward open as opposed to the rich kids team captain dads razing it to make a parking lot while this song is playing. loving perfect.
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Perry Normal posted:Actually, Flair's theme is public domain. I'm pretty sure Johnston (or whoever else made the decision) just added the "WOOOOO!" at the start because he puts a hook or sound effect at the start of every song. This is the Jimmy Hart produced theme he used in 1992-1993 in WWE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GElwQUGWyGo This is the theme Flair used in WCW from 1993-2001 and in WWE from 2002-2004 (production library/stock): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoD7KV0VPco This is the Jim Johnston-produced theme he used in WWE from 2005-present: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtY-hC-Fy0I So Jim Johnston basically just did a synth rip-off of the orchestrated production song to help WWE avoid royalties. EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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Also Sprach Zarathustra was composed in 1896 and is in the public domain, but a specific recording of it could certainly still be under copyright. Shouldn't be tough to find a free version of it though.
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I kind of liked the TNA version with the electric guitar instead of the horns. Too bad they got a sad old man to stand in for Ric Flair.
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Perry Normal posted:EDIT - Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure exactly how that works. Maybe it being public domain just means the stock music company was free to make their version? WWE's version always just sounded like it was the original song edited so it kicked in quicker.
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I thought the point of stock music was that you paid a one time fee and then could do what you like with the track? And in some cases the fee is literally "Buy this cd of stock music"?
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SiKboy posted:I thought the point of stock music was that you paid a one time fee and then could do what you like with the track? And in some cases the fee is literally "Buy this cd of stock music"? Much like trademark and copyright in general, there's not really any set one way it works.
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I remember downloading .ram (yes, Real Media) and extremely crappy mp3 files of wrestling themes and marking out to them. Theme music is really where you could tell the difference between the WWF and WCW, but as crappy as they were, I really enjoyed Jericho's almost Even Flow and Raven's Come as You Are, ummm, parody.
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Rad R. posted:I remember downloading .ram (yes, Real Media) and extremely crappy mp3 files of wrestling themes and marking out to them. Theme music is really where you could tell the difference between the WWF and WCW, but as crappy as they were, I really enjoyed Jericho's almost Even Flow and Raven's Come as You Are, ummm, parody. Again, most "original wrestling themes" are as close to plagiarism as you can get to real music. WCW was just much closer to the songs they were ripping.
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I actually liked some of the rip-off themes: Jericho, Raven and DDP in WCW, I knew they were basically plagirised instrumentals, but I still connected them to my favorite wrestlers. And these guys are still my favorites. As for Goldberg's theme, I think it was originally used by El Dandy, Silver King or Glacier, someone from that group, one of the Saturday Night alumni. This way maybe featured on Botchamania, or possibly here, does anyone know?
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I still Say and do a self high five when I hear teen spirit.
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New back issue up. There's a big story on attempts to ban MMA (and ECW) as well as more steroid trial fallout! All quotes from the 12/11/95 Observer. From the Nitro recap: quote:Main event was Luger vs. Savage for the title. Before the match began, Eric Bischoff said they had clearance to go past the one hour (thereby telling everyone ahead of time it would be a long match). Show ended 10 minutes late. Bout went 17:07 and was the best Savage-Luger match so far, which isn't a big compliment. There was a ref bump and Savage hit the elbow. Savage went after Jimmy Hart, but Flair came out and hit Savage with Knux and put Luger on top. As Flair was prancing around, Hogan came out and got to beat up Flair again and then went into the ring and stopped the refs count as Luger was pinning Savage so Savage was DQ'd for outside interference. Hogan then went to punch Luger, but Sting got in the way and Hogan punched Sting. The crowd started booing Hogan heavily but the two made up at the end but all three left with tension. Birth of the overrun? quote:By going ten minutes overtime, they picked up .2 in the ratings because they got a quarter hour added onto the good end (wrestling shows traditionally build audience as they go along). That turned out to be the margin needed as WCW won the 12/4 battle with a 2.6 rating, tying its record, and 3.8 share, to WWF's 2.4 and 3.4 with the replay back down to its regular 0.9. They added the Luger-Savage match on Wednesday because on 11/27, WWF did a 2.5 rating and 3.4 share for the first week after Shawn Michaels, while WCW did a 2.3 and 3.3 share for Sting & Luger vs. Anderson & Pillman and what should have been a PPV bump. They did get the bump, but it was for the replay which did a 1.4 rating, or about .5 above average. My read on this is besides it being a strong football game in the ratings, that each drew its base audience and that a lot of casual viewers tuned into Raw based on curiosity about Michaels, but they still watched the WCW replay to find out who won the Battle Royal. Of the two issues, Michaels interest was more of a curiosity deal than the Battle Royal winner. from WW3: quote:Terry Taylor, who was in charge of working backstage to get the word to the wrestlers to get eliminated in the Battle Royal, was given a sheet of paper listing the first 50 eliminations. The final ten were called by Hogan in the ring as they wouldn't even let the booking committee know the storyline of the finish. quote:American Males beat Men at Work (Chris Kanyon & Mark Starr doing a heel construction worker gimmick). quote:There will be no Nitro show on 12/25, but they'll be doing 1/1 from the Omni in Atlanta, with the arena cut down for a 4,000-seat set-up and giving virtually all the tickets away. It'll be the first show at the Omni since October of 1993 when they drew 700 fans in the building that used to be known in wrestling circles as the Madison Square Garden of the South. quote:WCW ran a rare house show in Denver on 12/2 drawing 3,000 fans and about 1,000 paid for a Battle Royal won by Giant, Giant over Norton and Sting over Kurasawa. Show was said to have been among the worst with nobody working hard, all blaming it on Dennis Condrey's ring being so old you couldn't work in it. quote:Even though several of the original participants in the WCW vs. New Japan match which was originally planned as being a collection of seven WCW babyfaces against seven New Japan wrestlers who would act as heels, have since turned heel or are now involved in more important activities on the show, the undercard hasn't changed.
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I think I have discovered what Dave Meltzer uses for porn. From the December 18th 1995 Observer: Nitro Recap quote:WCW Nitro on 12/11 in Charlotte before 4,500 fans (3,900 paying $38,000) saw Eddie Guerrero pin Mr. J.L. in 4:22 with a cradle in a great opener (***1/4), Paul Orndorff pinned Disco Inferno in 2:17 with a back suplex (1/4*), Lex Luger beat Jim Duggan with the torture rack in 2:43 (-1/4*) and Hulk Hogan & Sting beat Ric Flair & Arn Anderson in 13:26 when Hogan pinned Anderson with a legdrop (**1/4). Hogan was booed out of the building again, this time more than ever. The crowd was dead for the first two TV matches (even though the first one was a great match) because so many negative Hogan and pro-Flair signs were confiscated before the show that it left the live crowd pissed and they didn't start reacting until Flair came out for an interview. They did an angle to make sure Flair was booed by having Flair, Brian Pillman and Anderson (Chris Benoit was in Japan) destroy Orndorff with a stuff piledriver on the floor, and they put a neck brace on Orndorff and carried him out and sent him away in an ambulance on television. I believe Orndorff is undergoing some type of surgery so this was a storyline to explain his absence. Anyway, that didn't work at all. In fact, nothing on the show worked the way it should have although it wasn't as if Hogan's reaction in Charlotte wasn't expected. Fans in the first few rows that were given Hogan merchandise to wave around (nobody actually buys Hogan merchandise at these shows, the stuff you see on TV is planted) at the end of the show were ripping up the bandannas and throwing them at Hogan. Luger was also cheered and the biggest pop of the night was when either Flair poked Hogan in the eyes or when Luger put Hogan in the torture rack. Luger did a run-in during the main event and put Hogan in the rack outside the ring. Flair & Anderson doubled on Sting for several minutes. Sting first made the hot tag behind the refs back and when Hogan asked the fans, they all screamed that Hogan hadn't made a tag. It was hilarious. Anyway, Hogan finally made the hot tag, popped up after Anderson's spinebuster and pinned him with a legdrop. Pillman ran in again attacking Sting until Luger made the save for Sting, but then joined the Horsemen in attacking Hogan until Sting made the save for Hogan. While all this was going on, Savage did a run-in and Sting punched him. Sting later apologized in a long terrible post-match interview which saw both Hogan and Sting on live television forget parts of the storyline each was involved in. Sting thought he punched Hogan last week when it was the other way around. Hogan talked about being suspended from WCW (which makes a lot of sense since he wrestled that night) when it was a probation. Eric Bischoff was very sick so he was below par calling the stuff (but he was still worlds better than Vince McMahon that night). Steve McMichael was actually worse than ever before, including botching up the names of two football players when making a comparison with Orndorff's injury. Bobby Heenan doesn't get anything over, but he was at least funny two or three times. Ok, now from his Raw recap... quote:I thought Raw was the much better wrestling show of the two, but less compelling because the WCW show was so weird to watch and the show came off as something you couldn't miss. That is a man who really enjoyed seeing the crowd poo poo on Hogan. quote:Bischoff continually watches Raw on a monitor that many fans in the building can see during the live shows so if he acts distracted, that's why. quote:The muscle building drug stack of choice right now appears to be Growth Hormone combined with a German version of anavar, for those who make that choice. There hasn't been a drug test in a long time, perhaps as long as two months, and even so, you can't test for the GH in this country yet and the other drug is supposedly ahead of the testing as well (although it doesn't matter anyway if you don't test or do test and don't punish). On the show in Phoenix, it appeared that numerous guys were making great recent muscular gains and that may explain why in some or most of the cases. and to wrap up Austin Watch '95: quote:It was strongly hinted on Action Zone that Ted DiBiase would get a new push as manager and I expect Sid & 1-2-3 Kid to win the tag titles from the Smoking Gunns at some point soon. They also said that DiBiase was reviving the Million Dollar Belt and it would be a newcomer to the company who would get it, which certainly smells like Steve Austin (probably under a different name), although it could also be the return of Jeff Jarrett. When people used to say that Austin was going to be the next Ric Flair, I always disagreed and thought it was more likely he'd be the next Ted DiBiase. Well, he did make millions.
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That Nitro is up on YouTube. Cena was never this hated.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:That Nitro is up on YouTube. Youtube links are okay so add it!
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Youtube links are okay so add it! Yes please do.
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Here's the Nitro in question, I think I am going to put it up in the synctube tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_W2hpUt1PE
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We'll be watching that episode and the next week (Which features one of the most famous pre-nWo Nitro incidents) in 5 minutes! http://www.synchtube.com/r/sunsweet
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That match is loving hilarious. People were making GBS threads on Hogan HARD. I love how everyone boos after he no sells Arn's Spinebuster (and a beauty of a spinebuster at that) and gets the pin. That promo is great because it's obvious none of the wrestlers knows what the hell is going on.
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HOGAN SUCKS HOGAN SUCKS HOGAN SUCKS HOGAN SUCKS HOGAN SUCKS
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In the Nitro synchtube there was some discussion about WCW trading cards. I have an entire display set of WCW Nitro cards, and I don't even know what to think of some of them. Here's an old picture I took of just two of them but I can dig out more (and scan them in) if anyone is interested.
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I think we are all interested.
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I really hope there's a Judy Bagwell support card.
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There was a short period between 1998-2001 where EVERYTHING had a card game. That said, I don't even remember this existing.
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"Buff's Fans"? I don't believe those were a thing. At all.
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