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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

PRADA SLUT posted:

I don't know what the read/write of the HDD in it now would be, and whether or not you can have a boot drive over thunderbolt.

You can boot from TB and it could be faster than an internal SSD if you bought a two disk RAID setup that pulls 900MB/s

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CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
Has anyone upgraded their rMBP with the 480GB OWC Aura Pro SSD? I'm thinking about picking that one up or going with ebay and getting a OEM 512 GB SSD.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Peven Stan posted:

Has anyone upgraded their rMBP with the 480GB OWC Aura Pro SSD? I'm thinking about picking that one up or going with ebay and getting a OEM 512 GB SSD.

I upgraded to an OEM SSD. The Sandforce drive is going to be slower on incompressible data if that matters to you. It's a fairly simple install and if you get the external housing for your current SSD from OWC you can just do a Carbon Copy Cloner image and be up and running in minutes. Imaging SSD to SSD over USB 3.0 is stupid fast.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Bob Morales posted:

You can boot from TB and it could be faster than an internal SSD if you bought a two disk RAID setup that pulls 900MB/s

Doesn't booting involve jumping around to a bunch of data that isn't written serially?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

fleshweasel posted:

Doesn't booting involve jumping around to a bunch of data that isn't written serially?

The initial boot may or may not be faster (12 seconds vs 13 seconds) but the system would be faster in general. Not that it would notice enough to matter, but it'll be miles head of running it with a spinning HD.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

JP Money posted:

I thought you were just being extreme and making this out to be bigger than it is. Then I clicked on the video, made it 12 seconds in, and ALSO said "gently caress that" out loud.

15 Seconds... holy crap. Being as this is a desktop I think maybe a few screws would have been in order.

Eight Is Legend
Jan 2, 2008
I want to replace my late-2008 Macbook Pro's (the first unibody) optical disc drive with an SSD and I seem to remember from earlier in this thread that there are some SSD's I should avoid for that model. Can anyone remember what those were and/or can recommend any specific SSD's for me?

Sprat Sandwich
Mar 20, 2009

Stick100 posted:

15 Seconds... holy crap. Being as this is a desktop I think maybe a few screws would have been in order.

If something breaks on one of these and you take it to the store they aren't even going to try fixing it locally, are they?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

People were terrified of removing the glass off the unibody iMacs at one time. Remember people thought if you pulled the glass off at the wrong angle it would shatter and shards of the screen would kill your family?

Legdiian
Jul 14, 2004
More power to the people that want to open up their iMacs, but for the money I paid for it and the Apple care I think I'll leave it to the "professionals". Not because I don't think they can do a better job than me, but if they break something I don't have to pay for it.

Apple care is almost up on my late 2009 so if something goes wrong with that one I will probably crack it open.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
Does anybody happen to know where I can get my hands on replacements for the small black screws that hold down the optical drive bracket on a 2012 13" MBP? I just replaced mine with a HDD bay, and one of the screws had to be, uh, convinced to leave its home. I called a local Apple Store and they said they'd just give me a couple if I stopped by, but that's a bit of a drive for me and I'd rather just spend a few bucks to order some online. So far I've only been able to find the screws for the bottom panel, though.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Bob Morales posted:

People were terrified of removing the glass off the unibody iMacs at one time. Remember people thought if you pulled the glass off at the wrong angle it would shatter and shards of the screen would kill your family?

Yes but the glass on the unibody imac wasn't glued on with the lcd.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Bob Morales posted:

People were terrified of removing the glass off the unibody iMacs at one time. Remember people thought if you pulled the glass off at the wrong angle it would shatter and shards of the screen would kill your family?

Apple is pretty serious about this; they tell you in their training that you MUST seek immediate medical assistance if you get any glass shards in your eyes, and to use gloves and goggles when handling the display glass. They repeatedly mention that they don't use tempered glass, either, so it does have the potential to shatter into shards if you're being a dick about it.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Sprat Sandwich posted:

If something breaks on one of these and you take it to the store they aren't even going to try fixing it locally, are they?

Which means they're shipping off your data to random places... I feel very sketchy sending any computer for service without removing or securely erasing the storage. That's not possible with any moden macs if something goes wrong.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

wooger posted:

Which means they're shipping off your data to random places... I feel very sketchy sending any computer for service without removing or securely erasing the storage. That's not possible with any moden macs if something goes wrong.

Use FileVault?

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
With a refurbished MPR13 being only $1269 at the moment, is it worth it? How useful is such a screen for daily stuff?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Logikv9 posted:

With a refurbished MPR13 being only $1269 at the moment, is it worth it? How useful is such a screen for daily stuff?

Buy a 13" macbook air unless there is something you absolutely need on the MBR

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Logikv9 posted:

With a refurbished MPR13 being only $1269 at the moment, is it worth it? How useful is such a screen for daily stuff?

It's incredible. Plus you can crank it to 1680x1050 if you want. You also get HDMI + two Thunderbolt ports.

The 256GB refurb at $1359 is a killer deal. Don't forget the Retina starts at 8GB compared to the Air's 4GB.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Oh, by the way, a few notes about late 2012 iMac models:

The WiFi antennas are under the Apple logo and the top and right side only.

If the built-in microphone or power switch breaks, you have to replace the entire rear housing.

If you want a Fusion Drive on the 21.5 inch model, you must order it as an installed option at the time of purchase.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
Just keep your porn docs on an encrypted disk image.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Don Lapre posted:

Buy a 13" macbook air unless there is something you absolutely need on the MBR

I really wanted something with a high resolution, which means either going overkill and getting retina or getting a win8 laptop with a nice 1980x1050. But I wanted some portability too, so I was going to go for an ultrabook but they are so damned expensive for 1080p I was thinking about putting down an extra $70 for the MPR13.

The MPR13 looks very nice though I have reservations about OSX since this would be my first apple laptop.

echobucket
Aug 19, 2004

Logikv9 posted:

I really wanted something with a high resolution, which means either going overkill and getting retina or getting a win8 laptop with a nice 1980x1050. But I wanted some portability too, so I was going to go for an ultrabook but they are so damned expensive for 1080p I was thinking about putting down an extra $70 for the MPR13.

The MPR13 looks very nice though I have reservations about OSX since this would be my first apple laptop.

What kind of reservations?

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
When you take into consideration things like weight, battery, construction, materials, screen, keyboard, touchpad, aesthetics, etc, Apple has always made the best laptops on the market, hands-down.

There's a reason nearly every laptop on the market is emulating Apple.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist
You can buy an Air and put Windows on it if that's what you want. Then at least you're making half a good decision and like, that's alright I guess.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

PRADA SLUT posted:

When you take into consideration things like weight, battery, construction, materials, screen, keyboard, touchpad, aesthetics, etc, Apple has always made the best laptops on the market, hands-down.

There's a reason nearly every laptop on the market is emulating Apple.

You're 100% right there, I'm not doubting that. However I do like the little different things some other manufacturers are doing in their basically-an-air ultrabook designs (XPS13's razor-thin bezels are the sexiest thing :allears:)

I was really considering an Air a few months back but then the UX31A came out with the 1980x1050 screen and so I decided to hold off.


NOTinuyasha posted:

You can buy an Air and put Windows on it if that's what you want. Then at least you're making half a good decision and like, that's alright I guess.

If I got a macbook I would try to use OSX, what's the point of getting it to just run windows? I know there is the versatility there, but if I wanted to run Windows I would buy a PC and if I wanted to run OSX I would get a macbook. I might switch between the two if I had to run windows-only programs but for daily use I would try to use whatever was designed for that hardware.

echobucket posted:

What kind of reservations?

It's totally subjective but I just don't know how to use it. I haven't spent a lot of time on an macbook, but I use my university's iMacs a lot (with a keyboard and mouse) and I try to do things and I feel that I'm doing it slower than I would be normally on a windows machine. Maybe I just need a trackpad so I can have gestures. I've tried writing documents/outlines for classes on them and even Word for Mac seems so entirely different that I spend half my time trying to remember that the control key is now another key and trying to find the citation manager.

Also, I actually like Win8 a lot (look/feel, even some of the stupid metro things are growing on me) so jumping off and going into something entirely foreign will mess with me for a good month. I guess I'm just biased since I've only used windows before and so every action I want to do comes quick and naturally since I know what to click immediately and all the quirks in the system.

I've asked friends who own macbooks and they all yell at me and say it's more intuitive. :smith: How quickly can someone pick up the basic gist of the whole OS and see an improvement in productivity?

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Logikv9 posted:

I've asked friends who own macbooks and they all yell at me and say it's more intuitive. :smith: How quickly can someone pick up the basic gist of the whole OS and see an improvement in productivity?

A lot of its in what you're used to. After only owning Macs for a few years, when I try to use a PC I nearly shove it off the table in frustration.

Suqit
Apr 25, 2005

Stars Stripes Freedom Jozy
(Jozy not pictured here)

Logikv9 posted:

You're 100% right there, I'm not doubting that. However I do like the little different things some other manufacturers are doing in their basically-an-air ultrabook designs (XPS13's razor-thin bezels are the sexiest thing :allears:)

I was really considering an Air a few months back but then the UX31A came out with the 1980x1050 screen and so I decided to hold off.


If I got a macbook I would try to use OSX, what's the point of getting it to just run windows? I know there is the versatility there, but if I wanted to run Windows I would buy a PC and if I wanted to run OSX I would get a macbook. I might switch between the two if I had to run windows-only programs but for daily use I would try to use whatever was designed for that hardware.


It's totally subjective but I just don't know how to use it. I haven't spent a lot of time on an macbook, but I use my university's iMacs a lot (with a keyboard and mouse) and I try to do things and I feel that I'm doing it slower than I would be normally on a windows machine. Maybe I just need a trackpad so I can have gestures. I've tried writing documents/outlines for classes on them and even Word for Mac seems so entirely different that I spend half my time trying to remember that the control key is now another key and trying to find the citation manager.

Also, I actually like Win8 a lot (look/feel, even some of the stupid metro things are growing on me) so jumping off and going into something entirely foreign will mess with me for a good month. I guess I'm just biased since I've only used windows before and so every action I want to do comes quick and naturally since I know what to click immediately and all the quirks in the system.

I've asked friends who own macbooks and they all yell at me and say it's more intuitive. :smith: How quickly can someone pick up the basic gist of the whole OS and see an improvement in productivity?

If it makes you feel any better I went from using Windows only for all my professional life (20 years) switched to OSX on a laptop and it took me about 2 days to vow I will never switch back.

noskill
Dec 6, 2012

OMCK

Suqit posted:

If it makes you feel any better I went from using Windows only for all my professional life (20 years) switched to OSX on a laptop and it took me about 2 days to vow I will never switch back.

Took me ~3 weeks to switch after ~15 years of Windows, but that was back in 2006. I'd go out on a limb and say it's easier to switch to OS X these days than it was in 2006, though.

Laminator
Jan 18, 2004

You up for some serious plastic surgery?
I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Is it better to get a 13" MBP i5 and then upgrade to 16 GB RAM and a 256 GB SSD on my own for a total of ~1300, or buy a MBPr for around the same price and lose the ability to service or upgrade anything on my own and a smaller SDD and less RAM in exchange for a better screen? Really can't decide.

cbirdsong
Sep 8, 2004

Commodore of the Apocalypso
Lipstick Apathy

Logikv9 posted:

It's totally subjective but I just don't know how to use it. I haven't spent a lot of time on an macbook, but I use my university's iMacs a lot (with a keyboard and mouse) and I try to do things and I feel that I'm doing it slower than I would be normally on a windows machine.

I think you'd be fine as long as you go in with an open mind. There are things that are different, but as long as you're willing to go with the flow and accept that things are going to work differently, you should be okay. (Also, having a machine that is yours alone should help immensely. I can never really feel comfortable on a someone else's computer, Mac or otherwise.)

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Laminator posted:

I'm in a bit of a dilemma. Is it better to get a 13" MBP i5 and then upgrade to 16 GB RAM and a 256 GB SSD on my own for a total of ~1300, or buy a MBPr for around the same price and lose the ability to service or upgrade anything on my own and a smaller SDD and less RAM in exchange for a better screen? Really can't decide.

If you need 16GB RAM, you haven't much of a choice.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

cbirdsong posted:

I think you'd be fine as long as you go in with an open mind. There are things that are different, but as long as you're willing to go with the flow and accept that things are going to work differently, you should be okay. (Also, having a machine that is yours alone should help immensely. I can never really feel comfortable on a someone else's computer, Mac or otherwise.)

Alright, I'll give it a shot. If I really hate it I can always return it anyway.

I don't keep track of macbook rumors but will there be anything like an Air with a higher resolution (HD or retina) coming out soon? I really really like the shape and size of the Air but I really really don't like the screen. On the flipside, I really like the MPR13 screen but I still think it's too fat.

Laminator
Jan 18, 2004

You up for some serious plastic surgery?

Bob Morales posted:

If you need 16GB RAM, you haven't much of a choice.

I don't really need 16 GB, it's just cheap enough to consider. Going for 8GB knocks $50 off the total price, making the cMBP even cheaper.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Logikv9 posted:

I don't keep track of macbook rumors but will there be anything like an Air with a higher resolution (HD or retina) coming out soon? I really really like the shape and size of the Air but I really really don't like the screen. On the flipside, I really like the MPR13 screen but I still think it's too fat.
Nobody knows yet. Some people have suggested the plain MacBook Pro will be killed off, leaving just the Retina and Air. Some have suggested the plain MacBook Pro will kept as an educational-only item (like the white MacBook was for a while).

The consensus is that the 13" Retina Pro is already a 'Retina Air'. Apple still produces the iPad 2, which has a non-Retina screen, but it would make sense that eventually, Apple will only make Retina iPads and laptops. That already happened to the phones with the discontinuation of the 3GS.

Laminator posted:

I don't really need 16 GB, it's just cheap enough to consider. Going for 8GB knocks $50 off the total price, making the cMBP even cheaper.

You're more than likely not going to need > 8GB, it's just the cool thing to do.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

eddiewalker posted:

A lot of its in what you're used to. After only owning Macs for a few years, when I try to use a PC I nearly shove it off the table in frustration.

I look at computers and Operating systems are purely 100% tools, and I just don't give a poo poo what OS I am using at the moment. :smug: If Linux is better in a certain situation that OSX I use Linux. If Windows is better I use Windows etc etc.

They all have their quirks but I have never seen one OS actually BE better than another.

FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 15, 2013

wide stance
Jan 28, 2011

If there's more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then he will do it that way.
So I'm thinking about getting a 15" rMPB and setting the resolution to 1900 x 1200 and forgetting about it (for the usable space). Any drawbacks that I should be aware? Judging by the benchmarks I've seen, it should be a big performance boost and use less ram(?).

kuskus
Oct 20, 2007

eddiewalker posted:

A lot of its in what you're used to. After only owning Macs for a few years, when I try to use a PC I nearly shove it off the table in frustration.

When I have to switch over to Win my biggest eyeroll happens when having to look down to hit alt+F4 to close something. Cmd+q is just so much more comfortable and requires less strain, same with copy+paste comparisons. Cmd/c/v are no more than 2 keys apart.

That's reason enough to shut down Earth and bury all "P.C."s in Mexico next to the ET Atari cartridges.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

wide stance posted:

So I'm thinking about getting a 15" rMPB and setting the resolution to 1900 x 1200 and forgetting about it (for the usable space). Any drawbacks that I should be aware? Judging by the benchmarks I've seen, it should be a big performance boost and use less ram(?).
What benchmarks are those?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

kuskus posted:

When I have to switch over to Win my biggest eyeroll happens when having to look down to hit alt+F4 to close something. Cmd+q is just so much more comfortable and requires less strain, same with copy+paste comparisons. Cmd/c/v are no more than 2 keys apart.

That's reason enough to shut down Earth and bury all "P.C."s in Mexico next to the ET Atari cartridges.

Tuck thumb in, middle finger out is always how I hit ALT-F4

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logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

kuskus posted:

When I have to switch over to Win my biggest eyeroll happens when having to look down to hit alt+F4 to close something. Cmd+q is just so much more comfortable and requires less strain, same with copy+paste comparisons. Cmd/c/v are no more than 2 keys apart.

That's reason enough to shut down Earth and bury all "P.C."s in Mexico next to the ET Atari cartridges.

Cmd+q or cmd+anything is annoying because the keys are too close. when I have to click them my fingers try to go under each other and results in a clusterfuck of tangled fingers.

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