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Who Killed WCW?
Eric Bischoff
Hulk Hogan
Vince Russo
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The Twinkie Czar
Dec 31, 2004
I went for super stud.
Santa With Muscles was the best movie he could star in. Rock starred in crappy movies while taking small roles in huge movies. I suspect Hogan's ego got in the way while Rocky is letting someone brilliant manage his acting career.

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Ktik
Jul 10, 2004

The Twinkie Czar posted:

Santa With Muscles was the best movie he could star in. Rock starred in crappy movies while taking small roles in huge movies. I suspect Hogan's ego got in the way while Rocky is letting someone brilliant manage his acting career.

He fired his last agent who kept not letting him do action moves to avoid him being typecasted. Because if anything, Rock should only do action films. Thankfully, his new agency lets him do them.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
Did his last agent give us Tooth Fairy?

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

everybody relax, i'm here
Nap Ghost
Nobody better say anything remotely bad about The Rundown.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I know for a while he wanted to do movies his daughter could see.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

I unironically enjoyed Walking Tall, that said, I was drunk.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

Walking Tall wasn't a bad way to kill 90 minutes or so. I certainly didn't regret watching it or anything.

Paulocaust
Jan 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

The Twinkie Czar posted:

Santa With Muscles was the best movie he could star in. Rock starred in crappy movies while taking small roles in huge movies. I suspect Hogan's ego got in the way while Rocky is letting someone brilliant manage his acting career.

Rock has starred in a few movies that made a shitton of money. Granted they were crappy, but still.

bartok
May 10, 2006



Paulocaust posted:

Rock has starred in a few movies that made a shitton of money. Granted they were crappy, but still.

I genuinely like No Holds Barred and Suburban Commando but I will admit they are bad movies

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Rock was smart enough to not be in a movie that was written by Hogan, Vince, and cocaine in a weekend.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

I will never believe for a second that cocaine didn't have an Executive Producer credit on Scorpion King.

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

let's be honest, cocaine deserves EP credit on a lot of things in Hollywood.

it's cocaine.

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...

Supreme Allah posted:

Nobody better say anything remotely bad about The Rundown.

It was fun as hell. I wouldn't by the DVD but I'd watch it if I saw it on TV.



Although it took me a minute to remember you were actually talking about Welcome To The Jungle, which is a much better name for a dumb, fun movie.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I know for a while he wanted to do movies his daughter could see.
Yeah. I remember him saying that he wanted to be in some movies for Pebbles, but he also said he wanted to do things that weren't action movies to stretch his range, so who knows?

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
I like the one where it was originally about a wrestler who beat up a casino dude but got changed to be a returning marine for some reason, and it's like barely nintey minutes long. Rock turns up, breaks some faces, plays some football, happy ending.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Supreme Allah posted:

Nobody better say anything remotely bad about The Rundown.

Which one was this?

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
That was the one with Stifler and Christopher Walken.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Q_res posted:

That was the one with Stifler and Christopher Walken.

And Kino from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: The Secret of the Ooze!

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Q_res posted:

That was the one with Stifler and Christopher Walken.

I had a funny train of thought going. "I loved that film, why didn't I remember what it was called-"

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
It went through three name changes didn't it? I think it was also called Helldorado.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Paper Jam Dipper posted:

It went through three name changes didn't it? I think it was also called Helldorado.

Apparently it was Call of the Wild, Helldorado and Welcome to the Jungle as working titles, then The Rundown on release in basically the US only. I had no idea.

Also, Walking Tall was awesome.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Less Rock talk, more Assault on Devil's Island talk.

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



Did WWE ever make a serious but unsuccessful effort to recruit a WCW guy?
I can only think of guys who were eager to jump like Jericho or the handful of guys who took Time Warner buyouts as soon as possible.

Was JR just a hands off kind of guy? He tells a story of how he met with Rey and told him to hang out and rest his injuries, and the contract offer would be on the table when his Time Warner deal was up a year later.

Paulocaust
Jan 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Memento1979 posted:

Apparently it was Call of the Wild, Helldorado and Welcome to the Jungle as working titles, then The Rundown on release in basically the US only. I had no idea.

Also, Walking Tall was awesome.

It was The Rundown in Canada too. We're so exposed to American TV here, they could never get away with having a different name for an American film release, especially because you'll almost never find a Canadian movie in the major theater chains.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



UltimoDragonQuest posted:

Did WWE ever make a serious but unsuccessful effort to recruit a WCW guy?
I can only think of guys who were eager to jump like Jericho or the handful of guys who took Time Warner buyouts as soon as possible.

Was JR just a hands off kind of guy? He tells a story of how he met with Rey and told him to hang out and rest his injuries, and the contract offer would be on the table when his Time Warner deal was up a year later.

Sting?

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



No. I had the question because Sting came up on the Observer podcast last week. Apparently his contract was up around 1997. Vince never offered more guaranteed money than Turner (~$700K) and even if he was the top guy working the heavier WWE schedule he wouldn't have started earning more until 1999.

Lance Storm said Sting told him WWE never pitched ideas so it seemed like they just wanted him for the sake of having him.

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012
Welcome to the Jungle is an awesome movie. I might watch it again over the week. I got back into wrestling in late 2010, thanks to this movie being on TV, and the fact that I watched The Other Guys and MacGruber shortly after.

You wanna talk WCW? Let's recall that one time they did an episode of Baywatch. The first time I watched this episode, it reminded me to start watching wrestling again, and that there's this fed that's not the WWF and Hogan and Macho are there.

Bash at the Beach (Feb. 1996)

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



Rad R. posted:

You wanna talk WCW? Let's recall that one time they did an episode of Baywatch. The first time I watched this episode, it reminded me to start watching wrestling again, and that there's this fed that's not the WWF and Hogan and Macho are there.

Bash at the Beach (Feb. 1996)
All the WCW stuff from that episode is great, but I particularly love the dubbed sound effects on the match at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRWApcyjE8&t=770s

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

New Observer is up from late December 1995. I thought this quote was a bit interesting. For those that didn't know, WCW was planning on taping 2 Nitros at an event (one live, and one in the can for next week) to save production costs. It mentions this


Wrestling Observer posted posted:

WCW has reconsidered the original decision to tape Nitros bi-weekly starting the New Year. The belief at least from WCW is that Titan is on its last legs and they want to keep up the full court press so they'll be going live at least through April. Nitro dates for the New Year are 1/8 in Charleston, SC, 1/15 in Miami, 1/22 in Las Vegas, 1/29 in Canton, OH, 2/5 in Lakeland, FL, 2/12 in the Tampa area, 2/19 in Salisbury, MD and 2/26 in Cleveland.

Crazy that this isn't even the low point for WWF as ratings were fairly equal. I'm very interested to hear what was going on at WWF around the time the NWO caught fire and WCW started beating the poo poo out of them.

I also found this quote funny since the thought of Vince "chatting" with fans and being an rear end in a top hat is hilarious.

Wrestling Observer posted posted:

Vince McMahon was online after the 12/11 Raw. He was less of a smart-rear end this time although many people were complaining that he was dodging all the hard questions.

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer

ColonelJohnMatrix posted:

I also found this quote funny since the thought of Vince "chatting" with fans and being an rear end in a top hat is hilarious.

Probably went better than this one.

Diabolik900
Mar 28, 2007

Rodney the Piper posted:

Probably went better than this one.

This is fascinating. His responses were bizarre even before the technical difficulties. He acted like a smartass when he got easy questions like, "Who is your favorite wrestler?" but then gave completely reasonable (even somewhat-positive) answers when asked what he thinks about Eric Bischoff and Tony Schiavone.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

Rodney the Piper posted:

Probably went better than this one.

That was a great read. Vince is a lunatic!

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Diabolik900 posted:

He acted like a smartass when he got easy questions like, "Who is your favorite wrestler?" but then gave completely reasonable (even somewhat-positive) answers when asked what he thinks about Eric Bischoff and Tony Schiavone.

Vince legitimately loved George the Animal Steele. It may have seemed like a cop out answer, but for whatever reason he loves the big goofball and has repeatedly talked about it in interviews.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

if you wanna know why Hogan is doing so poorly in life, just watch a few episodes of Hogan Knows Best.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Reading his book will also shed light on this.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

coconono posted:

if you wanna know why Hogan is doing so poorly in life, just watch a few episodes of Hogan Knows Best.
Hogan Knows Best was a about as real as pro wrestling.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

LividLiquid posted:

Hogan Knows Best was a about as real as pro wrestling.

Even so, it consisted of him agreeing to say things on camera that made him look like an idiot. Still a sign that Hulk's judgement is lacking on a fundamental level.

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Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer

Skinty McEdger posted:

Vince legitimately loved George the Animal Steele. It may have seemed like a cop out answer, but for whatever reason he loves the big goofball and has repeatedly talked about it in interviews.

Considering that, it's surprising that Steele isn't brought back for the legends stuff more often (or at least from what I read; I haven't watched a Raw in forever, so I could be wrong).

Anyway, that interview is amazing.

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Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

Did WWE ever make a serious but unsuccessful effort to recruit a WCW guy?
I can only think of guys who were eager to jump like Jericho or the handful of guys who took Time Warner buyouts as soon as possible.

Was JR just a hands off kind of guy? He tells a story of how he met with Rey and told him to hang out and rest his injuries, and the contract offer would be on the table when his Time Warner deal was up a year later.

I think most of the people under employ at WCW were locked up pretty well by Bischoff to a good number of years. I think a good number of guys who were leaving ECW had their pick of WWF or WCW, and WCW just had more money to throw at them. I'm totally guessing, but it's likely Awesome and Storm probably turned down lesser money from Vince.


I think JR just put the interests of the "boys" first, and tried to look out for their well-being. His un-aggressive streak might be a possible reason why his job eventually went to Big Johnny, but who knows. JR was (is) an excellent judge of talent.

I do know that Rey Mysterio used to call the Stamford offices daily about a job once his Time Warner deal ended. I'm guessing JR was gone by then, and they weren't sold on Rey's marketability.

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