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Who Killed WCW?
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Hulk Hogan
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Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

everybody relax, i'm here
Nap Ghost

oldpainless posted:

The only clip I ever saw of HKB was Brooke and Nick talking about something and then a 15-second clip of Brooke booty-dancing in front of Nick.

I saw Brooke threatening to wrestle Nick on a bed and him agreeing in a very salacious manner. OKAY!

That Hogan clan is an odd bunch.

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nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

that show featured (a drunken?) Brian Knobbs driving around the family property on a golf cart

that's all I remember, and all that needs to be said, really

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT
Just finished watching the Nwo The Revolution doc on Netflix and it seemed like they skimmed over a lot of stuff. This time around, they blamed the Wolfpac for the undoing of the Nwo. Did people legit not think the Nwo was a wrestling angle? They're acting as if the Wolfpac was the doom because it made the whole thing just another wrestling angle.

I know I was only 12 or something back then but I loved the Wolfpac because I was a face mark and I finally started cheering for Nash and the other bad guys that joined. That whole idea was cool to me until they disbanded it and then reformed it with Hogan. That's what ruined the angle for me and made me stop watching WCW regularly. Now which thing did they not talk about that also triggered the reformation of the Wolfpac with Hogan? The Fingerpoke of Doom.

Also, they skimmed over the WWF version of the Nwo which I don't think gave it enough credit. I had stopped watching WWF during the Invasion and that was the angle that brought me back. I know it didn't last long and it was only to stroke McMadman's ego but it was good enough to retain my interest for a while.

Overall, good documentary and worth watching if you were a fan although I wish they fleshed things out a bit more instead of just saying "Nwo was DIFFERENT hurr" every couple of minutes. Cody Rhodes and Mike Mcgillicutty telling stories about their dads being there was really neat. Especially Cody's story about him hating his dad after he turned at Souled Out 98.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values
Do they give any coverage to the nWo B-team or explain why the gently caress guys like Vincent, Brian Adams, Scott Norton, and Stevie Ray were inducted into a premiere heel group? The nepotism that ballooned the nWo roster is just one in a laundry list of things they did to gently caress up the nWo, but it should be mentioned.

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

i could never cheer for the wolfpac because they still labeled themselves as the nwo and they were the enemy dammit

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT

Tato posted:

Do they give any coverage to the nWo B-team or explain why the gently caress guys like Vincent, Brian Adams, Scott Norton, and Stevie Ray were inducted into a premiere heel group? The nepotism that ballooned the nWo roster is just one in a laundry list of things they did to gently caress up the nWo, but it should be mentioned.

Nope, except for "Everyone wanted to be in because it was so hot!"

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Oct 30, 2009

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They just say "everybody was getting in and so it wasn't about an elite group anymore." Goddam that doc loving sucked rear end. loving terrible.

Also, I like to believe that Scott Norton just showed up one day in an nWo shirt and everyone was just too afraid to correct him.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

most WWE docu's about non-WWF stuff are 90 minute fluff pieces and then some edited matches.

Shameful.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Tonight at 9 PM we are going to watch the 12-25-95 WCW Nitro followed by the Hulk Hogan classic ASSAULT ON DEVIL'S ISLAND. http://www.synchtube.com/r/Manflurry

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Dave Meltzer reports plans change: http://www.synchtube.com/r/sunsweet go there instead, 9 PM! Nitro! HOGAN! DEVIL'S ISLAND!

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

oldpainless posted:

They just say "everybody was getting in and so it wasn't about an elite group anymore." Goddam that doc loving sucked rear end. loving terrible.

Also, I like to believe that Scott Norton just showed up one day in an nWo shirt and everyone was just too afraid to correct him.

Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell had a pretty neat tag team at first, though (Vicious & Delicious?), that actually fought the battles The Outsiders wouldn't. I thought it was a pretty neat concept to have them do the dirty work for the nWo.

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012
You'd get The Outsiders on Nitro, Vicious and Delicious on Saturday Night.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
Just once, I want Michael Cole to randomly say that a match is like a human game of chess

Edit: Dunno what the crossover is between here and the NHL thread, but I love the idea of a hockey legend feuding with Mark Madden

quote:

Madden is an avid Pittsburgh Penguins fan. He was critical of Penguins center Mario Lemieux late in Lemieux's career for "repeatedly trying to score directly off faceoffs." He once bet Lemieux $66 that he could not score directly off a draw. Lemieux thought the $66 bet was "cheap," and challenged Madden to a $6,600 bet. Madden accepted, and agreed that all the money would go to the Mario Lemieux Foundation. Lemieux had attempted the shot several times, with the closest effort being a post shot against the Calgary Flames on December 21, 2002. On December 24, 2002, Lemieux lined up against Buffalo Sabres faceoff specialist Chris Gratton. With the Penguins tied 2-2 and Gratton being a left-handed draw, Lemieux used the opportunity to take the shot on net. Lemieux shot the puck as it was dropped, going between Gratton's legs, off defenseman Alexei Zhitnik's skate, and eventually past goaltender Mika Noronen. Lemieux immediately looked to the pressbox, where he knew Madden was watching the game, and raised his arms. Lemieux admitted to trying the shot several times and that it was a tough shot to do without a good bounce. After the goal, Madden said he was planning a telethon to help him raise the $6,600 promised to the Mario Lemieux Foundation.

triplexpac fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 21, 2013

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

triplexpac posted:

Just once, I want Michael Cole to randomly say that a match is like a human game of chess

Only if Lawler refers to The Shield as 'robotized sheep'.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
In 15 minutes we'll be watching Starrcade 95: http://www.synchtube.com/r/sunsweet

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...

MassRayPer posted:

In 15 minutes we'll be watching Starrcade 95: http://www.synchtube.com/r/sunsweet

You guys need to like, advertise this better. I'd be down for watching all of these.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Nilbop posted:

You guys need to like, advertise this better. I'd be down for watching all of these.

There's not much more I can do than post about it in two threads, one of which I posted in several times. I can't spam every thread. We're watching every Wednesday (until I forget) week at 8 or 9 PM.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Also if you have twitter, next time you are in the room ask and we can give you our twitter names and we usually mention viewings on that.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

MassRayPer posted:

There's not much more I can do than post about it in two threads, one of which I posted in several times. I can't spam every thread. We're watching every Wednesday (until I forget) week at 8 or 9 PM.

Just let me know a day or two in advance if you want a show available on youtube.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

MrBling posted:

Just let me know a day or two in advance if you want a show available on youtube.

I think most of the Nitros are up but when it comes to the PPVs I'll probably hit you up for this, thanks!

Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

I don't care what you say about this post, but if anyone steps on my bunion, I'll kill them!

Nilbop posted:

You guys need to like, advertise this better. I'd be down for watching all of these.

I've sort of gotten it into my head that watching 3 hours of Raw live is too drat long and intolerable, so I've gotten it in my head to Synchtube matches (generally not entire shows, just matches) for about 2 hours starting around 8 PM Eastern on Mondays. I just never mentioned it because PSP's Raw live viewing threads are so active and the things I'm opting to re-watch are all things that the forum has seen and knows of quite well (mostly 90s stuff and some of the modern New Japan because few outside here know about it).

That and Synchtube seems to be getting DDoS'ed to Hell lately. It's actually currently down as I write this, but if it comes back up in time I'll put the link up on my Twitter @DarylSurat. I tend to focus on the 90s a lot, but that does include WCW.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
Man, this takes me back.

I absolutely adored WCW back in the day. I first started watching right after the nWo formation in 1996, and for three years, even after WCW started getting really bad, it was my premier destination on Monday Nights.

I watched for Sting more than anybody else, but honestly I can't think of anything in that three year stretch that made me too angry. Raven and his flock, the introduction of Goldberg and his pseudo rivalry with Chris Jericho (I had a Jericholics T-shirt, what of it), Lance Storm and Hacksaw Jim Duggan turning pro-Canada for a while for some reason, just to name a few things I can remember off of the top of my head.

I was a Wolfpack guy myself, mostly because of Sting. I remember sitting in utter horror watching Sting reveal his nWo black and white shirt, then breathed a huge sigh of relief when he ripped it off and had a red and black shirt on underneath. Sting was awesome.

Did they ever reveal who drove the stupid hummer?

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

SteelAngel2000 posted:

Man, this takes me back.

I absolutely adored WCW back in the day. I first started watching right after the nWo formation in 1996, and for three years, even after WCW started getting really bad, it was my premier destination on Monday Nights.

I watched for Sting more than anybody else, but honestly I can't think of anything in that three year stretch that made me too angry. Raven and his flock, the introduction of Goldberg and his pseudo rivalry with Chris Jericho (I had a Jericholics T-shirt, what of it), Lance Storm and Hacksaw Jim Duggan turning pro-Canada for a while for some reason, just to name a few things I can remember off of the top of my head.

I was a Wolfpack guy myself, mostly because of Sting. I remember sitting in utter horror watching Sting reveal his nWo black and white shirt, then breathed a huge sigh of relief when he ripped it off and had a red and black shirt on underneath. Sting was awesome.

Did they ever reveal who drove the stupid hummer?

kaz hayashi.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

SteelAngel2000 posted:



I was a Wolfpack guy myself, mostly because of Sting.

You and I... we are enemies.

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012

SteelAngel2000 posted:



I was a Wolfpack guy myself, mostly because of Sting. I remember sitting in utter horror watching Sting reveal his nWo black and white shirt, then breathed a huge sigh of relief when he ripped it off and had a red and black shirt on underneath. Sting was awesome.


Sting was the man, he was also The Crow, I loved The Crow and still do; I was introduced to WCW in '97 and loved it for so many reasons. I still have my red and black nWo Wolfpac T-Shirt, it's in excellent condition, I never wear it outside, I'm keeping it as a personal treasure. I marked out for the Wolfpac when Macho joined, but when Sting joined, that was just pure joy.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
A couple of other angles I absolutely loved during WCW's run that I thought never got the attention they deserved, was the feud between Booker T and Chris Benoit when they were both gunning for the TV Title seemingly every week. I think there was like, a 10 or 12 minute time limit per match for that belt, and every match was a classic.

The other was the Dean Malenko/Chris Jericho feud. Chris Jericho proclaiming himself the Master of 1004 moves and standing mid-ring and reading off a list of holds, and repeating Arm Bar eight hundred times was priceless

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012
Exactly what you said. Luckily, I have some of that Jericho/Malenko feud on VHS. In hindsight, it was magnificent. Golden promos, golden matches. I really felt bad for WCW when Jericho left, I couldn't believe it; I guess it made me realize WCW was never going to push him all the way to the Big Gold Belt, or make the Cruiserweight title their second-tier championship. It's terrible when a booker has all the right ingredients and then just fails. Even back then, I though that due to the fact that WCW was more realistic than the WWF, they should focus on weight classes, and present themselves as a promotion closer to the UFC, rather than the WWF.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Rad R. posted:

Exactly what you said. Luckily, I have some of that Jericho/Malenko feud on VHS. In hindsight, it was magnificent. Golden promos, golden matches. I really felt bad for WCW when Jericho left, I couldn't believe it; I guess it made me realize WCW was never going to push him all the way to the Big Gold Belt, or make the Cruiserweight title their second-tier championship. It's terrible when a booker has all the right ingredients and then just fails. Even back then, I though that due to the fact that WCW was more realistic than the WWF, they should focus on weight classes, and present themselves as a promotion closer to the UFC, rather than the WWF.

Jericho/Malenko was gold, and I put that down them not over-complicating it. They didn't try any pointless swerves, they just gave the crowd what they wanted. They were hot for Jericho mocking Dean, Dean disappears, Jericho keeps mocking him, Dean comes out of nowhere and slaps Jericho around like he owes him money.

Plus the pop for Malenk-ope unmasking is one of the biggest pops I've ever heard.

To this day, it's still one of my favourite feuds. I still mark out like crazy when Malenko just stands up after unmasking and gives Jericho the most evil-looking death glare I've ever seen, before just beating seven shades of poo poo out of him.

Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Mar 5, 2013

Rad R.
Oct 10, 2012
Think about how stupid WCW's bookers were at the time. After they had witnessed how much heat a Cruiserweight championship feud generated, how much fun the wrestlers and the fans had, they basically ignored it and eventually gave us The Fingerpoke of Doom. I mean, Malenko wasn't insanely popular, but he played his role perfectly, as did Jericho: a serious veteran against a stuck-up hotshot new guy. Stuff like that made me grow up as fan, for better or worse, because it taught me about backstage politics.

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.
Did DDP revealing himself to be la Parka ever do anything? I do remember that happening, but not what came after.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

DreamingApe posted:

Did DDP revealing himself to be la Parka ever do anything? I do remember that happening, but not what came after.

I think it was just a one off to fool the nWo. La Parka is a legitimate wrestler and still one of the biggest stars in Mexico.

They did it again with Jeff Jarrett and Los Villaños a few years later.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Medusa also disguised herself as La Parka once

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.

Zack_Gochuck posted:

I think it was just a one off to fool the nWo. La Parka is a legitimate wrestler and still one of the biggest stars in Mexico.

They did it again with Jeff Jarrett and Los Villaños a few years later.

I know who La Parka is, but i wondered if it tied into a storyline like the malenko/cyclope reveal.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Zack_Gochuck posted:

They did it again with Jeff Jarrett and Los Villaños a few years later.

That was the Thunder where the production team hosed up the order of the segments, so they aired the replay of one of the Villanos unmasking to reveal that it was Jeff Jarrett before the actual match had even taken place, confusing the poo poo out of everyone.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
Was it Russo's idea to have Sting and Vampiro fight in the "human torch" match?

God that sucked.

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

VogeGandire posted:

Jericho/Malenko was gold, and I put that down them not over-complicating it. They didn't try any pointless swerves, they just gave the crowd what they wanted. They were hot for Jericho mocking Dean, Dean disappears, Jericho keeps mocking him, Dean comes out of nowhere and slaps Jericho around like he owes him money.

Plus the pop for Malenk-ope unmasking is one of the biggest pops I've ever heard.

To this day, it's still one of my favourite feuds. I still mark out like crazy when Malenko just stands up after unmasking and gives Jericho the most evil-looking death glare I've ever seen, before just beating seven shades of poo poo out of him.

i kinda think bait-and-switching malenko's title win and forcing him to just be a guest ref at the conclusion of the feud was Over Complicating it.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

John Cena posted:

i kinda think bait-and-switching malenko's title win and forcing him to just be a guest ref at the conclusion of the feud was Over Complicating it.

It's not overcomplicating it because that didn't happen and no-one can convince me otherwise :colbert:

why must WCW ruin everything it touches :cripes:

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

I still enjoy old WCW over new WWE stuff. Even with the main event scene being a study in convoluted backstage politics being played out on-air.

Haven't decided if Mongo is a worse announcer than Michael Cole yet.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

The Jericho vs Malenko feud was what got me back into following wrestling in '98.

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Strenuous Manflurry
Sep 5, 2006

THE END

coconono posted:

I still enjoy old WCW over new WWE stuff. Even with the main event scene being a study in convoluted backstage politics being played out on-air.

Haven't decided if Mongo is a worse announcer than Michael Cole yet.

Well, Michael Cole has had some pretty good calls, and is downright inoffensive when toned down. The better question is if Mongo, a dumb, kooky meathead, was a better or worse announcer than the ostensibly professionally trained Kevin Kelly is today.

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