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Look, I don't normally give a drat about Air Force jibberjabber, but godamn are the stories about the dogs impressive and sad all at once. And it's kind of weird to me that, to this day, we still find F-105 parts lying randomly about various places at stateside bases. I played OpFor for the crews leaving on the Afghanistan deployment right before mine, and when myself and my gunner were wandering the hillsides, we found a lot of random aircraft parts at a place that Nellis refers to as "Jettison Hill." There was an aircraft's bomb rack (including the pylon) on the side of a hill, with a stamped plate that read "F-105D." If anyone cares about photos, I can charge my old phone and post them (they're really not that interesting).
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Every mention of the legendary Thud must be accompanied with the following fact: The F-105 was capable of carrying the same bombload as a fully-loaded B-17.  The Douglas AIR-2 Genie. An unguided nuclear-warhead-tipped rocket, designed to be fired at an incoming bomber formation. Someone thought this was a good idea. SAGE probably deserves the same sort of mention, as almost every account I've ever read about it unanimously agrees that it never once worked as advertised. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Environment  "The AN/FSQ-7 had 100 system consoles for the operator environment, including the OA-1008 Situation Display (SD) with a light gun (at end of cable), cigarette lighter, and ash tray (left of the light gun)." Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Mar 10, 2013 |
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Mar 10, 2013 19:13
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To be fair it was the 1950s and everything nuclear was a good idea including this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36
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Mar 10, 2013 19:19
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DoktorLoken posted:To be fair it was the 1950s and everything nuclear was a good idea including this: including this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshares quote:Project Plowshare was the overall United States term for the development of techniques to use nuclear explosives for peaceful construction purposes. And people complain about fracking.
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DoktorLoken posted:To be fair it was the 1950s and everything nuclear was a good idea including this: quote:There was a hotline connected to the president's office. Once, the hotline and the support planes were nearly used when a smoke marker went off in the reactor compartment. To what end? "So, uh...Mr. President...remember this flying nuclear reactor? Yeah. Well, turns out it has a problem. Not that there's anything you could do about it outside of telling us to ditch the motherfucker, just thought we'd give you a heads-up."
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My favourite is this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plutoquote:The proposed use for nuclear-powered ramjets would be to power a cruise missile, called SLAM, for Supersonic Low Altitude Missile. In order to reach ramjet speed, it would be launched from the ground by a cluster of conventional rocket boosters. Once it reached cruising altitude and was far away from populated areas the nuclear reactor would be made critical. Since nuclear power gave it almost unlimited range, the missile could cruise in circles over the ocean until ordered 'down to the deck' for its supersonic dash to targets in the Soviet Union. The SLAM as proposed would carry a payload of many nuclear weapons to be dropped on multiple targets, making the cruise missile into an unmanned bomber. Bad rear end prototype engine  
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I'm utterly fascinated by the atomic age, and especially being a soldier from Nevada, I'm just a little bummed I will never experience a nuclear blast firsthand. Unlike the guys in the Desert Rock Exercises.    And a somewhat misleading title, but great soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz9g_rl2JnU
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those guys have their own special category of care at the VA for a reason though lol "exposure to ionizing radiation during nuclear testing and training" or something like that there aren't a whole gently caress load left.
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I've always wondered what those parallel vertical smoke/vapor columns were, anyone care to weigh in on that?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I've always wondered what those parallel vertical smoke/vapor columns were, anyone care to weigh in on that? they're sounding rockets theyre actually fired in a specific sequence during the testing so that the folks detonating the bomb can observe the shockwave in the atmosphere as well as currents and fallout prediction if we were to nuke a target tommorow, if you were watching from a simmilar perspective you wouldn't see any of that crazy verticle smoke stuff when I was a kid I used to be convinced it was the smoke trails of birds who got cooked midflight I was pretty a imaginative kid
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I've always wondered what those parallel vertical smoke/vapor columns were, anyone care to weigh in on that? I believe they're smoke rockets launched to create a scale for collecting testing information, like the size of the fireball. e: or shockwave analysis, I like that one. Wingnut Ninja fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Mar 10, 2013 |
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Any suggestions for nuclear documentaries? I've probably seen Trinity and Beyond 20 times by now, especially since it's available on bluray.
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DoktorLoken posted:Any suggestions for nuclear documentaries? I've probably seen Trinity and Beyond 20 times by now, especially since it's available on bluray. While not entirely focused on nuclear stuff, Oliver Stone's America or whatever is a good documentary series.
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DoktorLoken posted:Any suggestions for nuclear documentaries? I've probably seen Trinity and Beyond 20 times by now, especially since it's available on bluray. That's one of the most easily accessed ones, the rest aren't much better / different, since it's all re-loops of declassified NRC/DOE/DoD video stuff. if the factual nuclear stuff and 50's nostalgia type thing is your schtick, the fictional "Alas, Babylon" is gonna be your jam.
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Wasabi the J posted:I'm utterly fascinated by the atomic age, and especially being a soldier from Nevada, I'm just a little bummed I will never experience a nuclear blast firsthand. My grandpa took part in those, in his early 60's he was diagnosed with cancer and at 64 the treatment killed him. He died in 1992. He always wondered if his cancer was a result of being involved in those tests.
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Vasudus posted:While not entirely focused on nuclear stuff, Oliver Stone's America or whatever is a good documentary series.
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Mustang posted:My grandpa took part in those, in his early 60's he was diagnosed with cancer and at 64 the treatment killed him. He died in 1992. He always wondered if his cancer was a result of being involved in those tests. I'm really sorry to hear that. I guess I should say that if we had nice safe viewing conditions, I'd love to witness one. My mom's a two time breast cancer survivor and cancer is a bitch. And there's a fuckload of  when you see poo poo like this on the summary of the tests:Wikipedia posted:During shot "Wasp", ground forces took part in Exercise Desert Rock VI which included an armored task force "Razor" moving to within 900 meters of ground zero, under the still-forming mushroom cloud. bradass87 posted:when I was a kid I used to be convinced it was the smoke trails of birds who got cooked midflight I used to think the ionizing radiation was so great that it caused lightning strikes, knowing only that lightning had something to do with ions and so did radiation. I got beat up a lot in middle school. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Mar 11, 2013 |
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Here are 5 men (6, counting the cameraman) standing directly beneath a nuclear detonation to demonstrate how safe nuclear anti-aircraft missiles are, and how it's OK that they'd be exploded over US soil to shoot down soviet bombers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOAfVc
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grover posted:Here are 5 men (6, counting the cameraman) standing directly beneath a nuclear detonation to demonstrate how safe nuclear anti-aircraft missiles are, and how it's OK that they'd be exploded over US soil to shoot down soviet bombers. All I can think of when they all flinched at the flash and the bang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qBV4aAPVHk
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grover posted:Here are 5 men (6, counting the cameraman) standing directly beneath a nuclear detonation to demonstrate how safe nuclear anti-aircraft missiles are, and how it's OK that they'd be exploded over US soil to shoot down soviet bombers. Holy poo poo. Apparently two of the guys lived into their eighties despite being nuked.
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Bacarruda posted:Holy poo poo. Apparently two of the guys lived into their eighties despite being nuked. Test successful! 
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grover posted:Here are 5 men (6, counting the cameraman) standing directly beneath a nuclear detonation to demonstrate how safe nuclear anti-aircraft missiles are, and how it's OK that they'd be exploded over US soil to shoot down soviet bombers. The only live-fire test of a Genie; the Scorpion that fired the shot still survives as a gateguard in Montana: 
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grover posted:Here are 5 men (6, counting the cameraman) standing directly beneath a nuclear detonation to demonstrate how safe nuclear anti-aircraft missiles are, and how it's OK that they'd be exploded over US soil to shoot down soviet bombers. In theory it was a good idea against a big mass of bear bombers. At the same time we developed nuke torpedoes to take out the SSBNS the Soviets had. "Blue out" is a sonar term I'm glad I only read about.
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bradass87 posted:those guys have their own special category of care at the VA for a reason though Their descendants get benefits as well. A buddy of mine got something like $600 a couple years ago because his grandpa was part of those tests.
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Slim Pickens posted:Their descendants get benefits as well. A buddy of mine got something like $600 a couple years ago because his grandpa was part of those tests.
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grover posted:Fat Man and Little Boy is a pretty excellent movie about the Manhattan project, as well. When I watched that and saw the scenes with the criticality experiments, I said to myself "There is no way they were messing around with that plutonium core by almost shutting that beryllium hemisphere around it with just the tip of a loving screwdriver, that's gotta be all hollywood!". Turns out that is exactly the way they did it.  And poo poo went south. More than once.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:When I watched that and saw the scenes with the criticality experiments, I said to myself "There is no way they were messing around with that plutonium core by almost shutting that beryllium hemisphere around it with just the tip of a loving screwdriver, that's gotta be all hollywood!". Early atomic experiments were really hosed up. As late as the trinity test they weren't sure if the explosion wouldn't just light the entire atmosphere on fire. That would have made a lot of people very sad.
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iyaayas01 posted:Ed Rasimus, USAF fighter pilot and author of what are two of the best books about the air war over Vietnam: When Thunder Rolled, about his tour flying Thuds during Rolling Thunder, and Palace Cobra, about his tour flying Phantoms during Linebacker. He also assisted Robin Olds' daughter with writing/compiling/editing Olds' memoirs. Raz passed away in January. There was a Marine OV-10 pilot who wrote a book that felt a lot like Raz's work, but I can never remember his name or the book's title. Anyone know the guy I'm talking about. He was in Santini's MAG, made Santini slice his hand open on a ceiling fan?
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This video from Syria shows a group of opposition fighters getting about as close as you would want to be to a cluster bomb strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-8QpCfZbtU
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Only one Allahu Akbar? I'm dissapointed.
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They are running out! We are past peak allah ackbar, we are entering a new phase in the Syrian conflict. Edit: I wonder if anyone is saying allah ackbar ironically in the videos.
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ArchangeI posted:Early atomic experiments were really hosed up. As late as the trinity test they weren't sure if the explosion wouldn't just light the entire atmosphere on fire. That would have made a lot of people very sad. That's a myth. Teller brought up the notion that the bomb could ignite nitrogen-nitrogen fusion in the atmosphere and that the reaction might be self-sustaining, but this was disproved well before the Trinity test. The best criticality experiment was one related to the demon core, but involved one subcritical mass of uranium being, a slug, being dropped through another subcritical mass, and as it dropped through it would briefly significantly spike in activity and by measuring the increase they could more accurately calculate what a critical mass would be. The question was raised "What happens if, while dropping through the rig, the slug gets stuck? Like, maybe because it heats up and expands and wedges itself in there, so what's supposed to be "briefly" critical stays that way?" The answer was pretty much "Hope real hard that doesn't happen.
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Phanatic posted:That's a myth. Teller brought up the notion that the bomb could ignite nitrogen-nitrogen fusion in the atmosphere and that the reaction might be self-sustaining, but this was disproved well before the Trinity test. Well, hit it with a broom handle or something, this is nuclear physics, not rocket science!
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"We're gonna throw science at the wall and see what sticks."
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:"We're gonna throw science at the wall and see what sticks." J.K. Simmons best line in that game by far "I'm gonna be honest with you here, we're just throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks!" I loving lost it
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:"We're gonna throw science at the wall and see what blows the gently caress up."
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bradass87 posted:J.K. Simmons best line in that game by far I like to believe that JK Simmons actually acts like Cave Johnson every day of his life.
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