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FuzzySkinner posted:Not to interrupt the rape conversation, but is ESPN apparently going all out on hyping the Miami Heat winning streak? It keeps showing up on my twitter feed from Cavs fans bitching about it. That said, at this point in the streak it's pretty understandable.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Not to interrupt the rape conversation, but is ESPN apparently going all out on hyping the Miami Heat winning streak? It keeps showing up on my twitter feed from Cavs fans bitching about it. It's the second longest streak in NBA history. There are many better things to complain about in regards to ESPN.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:04
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The Prisoner posted:That said, at this point in the streak it's pretty understandable. Yeah it was annoying when it wasn't even as long as the Clippers' streak from earlier this season but now that it's as long as it is it's hard to blame them.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:06
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It beats talking about Tebow for eight hours a day I guess.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:09
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If you want to talk about ESPN not talking about the Blackhawks' streak (or SI overplaying it to a ludicrous proportion) then we're cookin' with gas.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:10
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The Prisoner posted:If you want to talk about ESPN not talking about the Blackhawks' streak (or SI overplaying it to a ludicrous proportion) then we're cookin' with gas. Right, we would be. I don't fault them for covering it, I think I moreso fault them for the way it's presumably being covered.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:16
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I still think the concept of live daily Sportscenter is dumb because the sports world does not have enough daily news to cover an 8 hour block, which leads to things like endless Heat talk.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:17
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FuzzySkinner posted:Right, we would be. Well maybe you should actually see the coverage or find more about it than some upset Cavs fans on twitter before finding fault with it.
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Mar 21, 2013 04:35
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The Prisoner posted:If you want to talk about ESPN not talking about the Blackhawks' streak (or SI overplaying it to a ludicrous proportion) then we're cookin' with gas. There are ties in the NHL, they were right to downplay it. 
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Mar 21, 2013 13:05
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The Nuggets picked the absolute worst time to go on a 13-game winning streak. Also, SI says Rick Reilly is staying with ESPN. That's puzzling.
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Mar 21, 2013 14:06
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Vertical Lime posted:The Nuggets picked the absolute worst time to go on a 13-game winning streak. If Rick Reilly took a gigantic pay cut it makes sense.
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Mar 21, 2013 14:07
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Quest For Glory II posted:I still think the concept of live daily Sportscenter is dumb because the sports world does not have enough daily news to cover an 8 hour block, which leads to things like endless Heat talk. There is 100% absolutely enough sports and sports news around the world to fill 8 hours of coverage and analysis every single day of the year. The problem is there are not like ~THREE TOP STORIES~ worth covering for 6 of them, and that's where ESPN loses me.
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Mar 21, 2013 15:16
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The Prisoner posted:It's been their number one story of the day since...I think...nine in a row? Factor in that the Cavs blew a 27 point lead to lose to the Heat last night, it can be pretty accurately summed up as "they're mad."
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Mar 21, 2013 15:53
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Toffile posted:There are
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Mar 21, 2013 15:55
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I feel like Bill Simmons' entire career has been leading up to this moment.
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Mar 21, 2013 19:20
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My three main thoughts from this so far: A) This is definitely the type of environment Simmons operates best at. B) Jalen Rose owns C) Jalen Rose really owns
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Mar 21, 2013 19:43
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I want that Detroit vs. Everybody shirt Rose is wearing. I just don't wanna have to pay some 40+ bucks to do so.
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Mar 21, 2013 19:48
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FuzzySkinner posted:Not to interrupt the rape conversation, but is ESPN apparently going all out on hyping the Miami Heat winning streak? It keeps showing up on my twitter feed from Cavs fans bitching about it. Agreed, they should only talk about legitimately notable sports accomplishments when they involve teams you like. They are, at least ostensibly, a sports news station. A team winning a historically notable number of games in a row is a fairly big sports story. And it least in regards to the last couple games, they kept the streak alive in extremely dramatic and entertaining fashion.
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Mar 21, 2013 21:54
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uublog posted:Rape is an actual thing that happens to people and it is horribly cruel and violent. Why the gently caress should anyone be literally equating something to the worst experience in a lot of people's lives, just as a dumb loving joke? i don't know if this was directed at me but i was agreeing with the people who say don't use that word because there are tons of other words to use instead and that we should keep the word rape for actual rape
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Mar 21, 2013 22:09
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In reguards to all the talk about Leuke, he's clearly a piece of poo poo and should probably be in jail, but that's the failing of the legal system, and I don't think the Tampa Bay Rays or whoever chooses to employ him have any obligation to right that injustice.
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Mar 22, 2013 04:15
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General Dog posted:In reguards to all the talk about Leuke, he's clearly a piece of poo poo and should probably be in jail, but that's the failing of the legal system, and I don't think the Tampa Bay Rays or whoever chooses to employ him have any obligation to right that injustice. Seattle's ownership came very close to firing Jack Z over lying to them about the disposition of Lueke's case (in the end Jack managed to pin it on the pro scouting director and escaped with his own job, at the cost of one of his oldest friends), and that would have deprived us of several years of hilarity, so I agree.
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Mar 22, 2013 04:23
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MourningView posted:Agreed, they should only talk about legitimately notable sports accomplishments when they involve teams you like. Not what I was arguing about. I think it warrants coverage, but I don't think so much that it detracts from covering other events/teams.
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Mar 22, 2013 04:50
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:i don't know if this was directed at me but i was agreeing with the people who say don't use that word because there are tons of other words to use instead and that we should keep the word rape for actual rape It was less than a week ago that someone here or in the NBA thread posted an article by Woj lambasting the twitter-verse(sphere?) for making comments about how DeAndre Jordan absolutely "murdered" Brandon Knight by dunking on him really hard - he had a particular problem with various photoshopped pictures of Knight with a tombstone and the like. The general consensus was that Woj was being an idiot for making a big deal about it. I'm not sure what the difference here is? It's very common here and elsewhere to say a team got "raped" in a trade. Is it because Piniella was on a national stage and shouldn't be using off-colour references like that where kids could hear him? Because much worse things have been said and/or typed by every poster here at one time or another.
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Mar 22, 2013 04:58
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It feeds back into the whole rape culture concept, that we normalize and minimize rape through how we trivialize it in the media and in language. I tend to think that may be a bit overboard, but it would be safe to say that many people would be upset by the casual comparison of a sports trade to a sexual assault. So just be considerate and use a different word. It's not very difficult.
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Mar 22, 2013 05:05
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Gendo posted:It feeds back into the whole rape culture concept, that we normalize and minimize rape through how we trivialize it in the media and in language. I see what you're saying, and I don't use the word myself when posting here about sports, but there seems to be a bunch of common words/phrases that we use all the time that don't get this same treatment. The example I used above about murder for one, but even more common is describing a certain guy as a "cancer" in the locker room or whatnot. Cancer is a serious issue too, and using the same rationale, shouldn't be minimized or trivialized by ascribing it to sports and athletes. Maybe it's different with cancer because there's no guilty party there? There is with murder tho. I don't know, I think, like you said, people go a bit overboard with criticizing this stuff.
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Mar 22, 2013 05:19
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Jalen Rose owns. Detroit Vs Everybody owns. Jalen Rose owns. This Grantland Live thing was fantastic.
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The B_36 posted:I see what you're saying, and I don't use the word myself when posting here about sports, but there seems to be a bunch of common words/phrases that we use all the time that don't get this same treatment. The example I used above about murder for one, but even more common is describing a certain guy as a "cancer" in the locker room or whatnot. Cancer is a serious issue too, and using the same rationale, shouldn't be minimized or trivialized by ascribing it to sports and athletes. Maybe it's different with cancer because there's no guilty party there? There is with murder tho. I don't like the idea of there being "good" and "bad" words, but I do think that as a public figure you should try to put some of that same consideration into the potential impact your words can have. There are times and places to test the boundaries of society (like comedy for instance), but Lou's job there is to break down trades, provide analysis and basically light entertainment. While I don't think he should be crucified for saying a dumb thing I hope he learns from it and chooses his words a little more wisely in the future.
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Basically with someone like Lou who's kind of a harmless dumb, old guy who isn't out to hurt anyone I'd rather the reaction be less YOU FUCKER and more hey, c'mon Lou.
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The B_36 posted:It was less than a week ago that someone here or in the NBA thread posted an article by Woj lambasting the twitter-verse(sphere?) for making comments about how DeAndre Jordan absolutely "murdered" Brandon Knight by dunking on him really hard - he had a particular problem with various photoshopped pictures of Knight with a tombstone and the like. The general consensus was that Woj was being an idiot for making a big deal about it. I'm not sure what the difference here is? It's very common here and elsewhere to say a team got "raped" in a trade. Is it because Piniella was on a national stage and shouldn't be using off-colour references like that where kids could hear him? Because much worse things have been said and/or typed by every poster here at one time or another. Woj's thing wasn't about word choice, it was a big stupid attack on people for having the temerity to "make fun of" Brandon Knight for giving effort and playing good defense. We were jumping on him for going back to his standby holier-than-thou schtick where he acts like basketball is Serious and Important.
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Gendo posted:Basically with someone like Lou who's kind of a harmless dumb, old guy who isn't out to hurt anyone I'd rather the reaction be less YOU FUCKER and more hey, c'mon Lou. After 9/11 there was a big tut tutting article in the Scorecard section of SI about phrases we shouldn't use anymore like Twin Towers for David Robinson and Tim Duncan.
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It's true that people joke about murder and death and terrorism and all that quite often, but if you consider the rate of reported rapes and sexual assault, on top of whatever inestimable amount goes unreported, the odds are uncomfortably high that someone you know, or someone at some large social gathering, is a survivor of them. You're probably not hanging around with any murder survivors. Knowing the full scope of the kind of trauma and triggering a dumb rape joke/metaphor/comparison could inflict, the only human thing to do is to just not be a shithead and make one, which is the easiest thing really. With cancer I suppose the frequency argument isn't really effective, but plenty of cancer patients/survivors use levity to help deal with their struggles (Tig Notaro exhibit A); that is categorically not true for survivors of rape/sexual assault. Like Gendo said, each of these categories of horrible things that happen are unique and have their own sets of baggage, but in the case of rape/sexual assault the damage that can be done is completely obvious to anyone who spends more than a minute researching the topic. It's stupidly easy to just respect that and to help people feel safe around you, so easy that if you choose not to you're pretty much actively deciding to be a prick. As far as using the word "rape" with regards to sports trades/victories, there are a million and a half words you can use to convey that someone or some team got destroyed. If someone chooses that particular one out of a sea of possibilities it's blindingly obvious they're doing it to be edgy, and are therefore a total shithead.
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Mar 22, 2013 07:53
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Can we just use less violent sexual imagery and say somebody got boned in a trade?
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General Dog posted:Can we just use less violent sexual imagery and say somebody got boned in a trade? What's wrong with fleeced? I love a good fleecin'
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Mar 22, 2013 12:13
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:What's wrong with fleeced? I love a good fleecin' Think of all the poor people who received a snuggie for Christmas you heartless bastard.
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Mar 22, 2013 13:42
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:What's wrong with fleeced? I love a good fleecin' Offensive to sheep.
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Mar 22, 2013 14:33
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What about "hornswaggled"?
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Crazy Ted posted:What about "hornswaggled"?
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Mar 22, 2013 15:21
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"cornholed" At least then you don't have to fall back on the 4th definition to defend your word choice
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Mar 22, 2013 15:37
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Bamboozled. I love me a good bamboozlin'.
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The 2013 award for Saltiest Tears of the Year goes to Dennis Latta, a reporter who followed the University of New Mexico Lobos for 33 years and is quitting his job because they lost to Harvard. http://deadspin.com/a-new-mexico-beat-writer-actually-quit-his-job-because-458421252 http://newmexico.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1486756 tinstaach fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Mar 23, 2013 |
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