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How many times do you think that idea of purposely carbon freezing yourself to sneak into a place has occured in the extended universe? My money's on 30 to 40.
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Dan Didio posted:How many times do you think that idea of purposely carbon freezing yourself to sneak into a place has occured in the extended universe? The whole idea needs to be crushed like a moon crushes a wookie.
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Mar 22, 2013 10:48
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Of course carbon freezing is common. I put my action figures into carbon freeze all the time as a kid. (Fill a cup with water, put them in, put in freezer, thaw out with room-temp water.)
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Mar 22, 2013 14:04
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Are the Hutts (or whatever their species are called) always mobsters in the EU? That's kinda racist. At least the Twi'lek have been shown to be Jedis, politicians and other things.
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Mar 22, 2013 14:09
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The MSJ posted:Are the Hutts (or whatever their species are called) always mobsters in the EU? That's kinda racist. At least the Twi'lek have been shown to be Jedis, politicians and other things. 
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Mar 22, 2013 14:44
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This makes so little sense it hurts my brain. Would a Rancor Jedi still use a human-sized lightsaber? Probably.
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Mar 22, 2013 15:20
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Rocket Ace posted:This makes so little sense it hurts my brain. Nope, they would use a lightclub.  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightclub
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Mar 22, 2013 15:29
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VaultAggie posted:Nope, they would use a lightclub. I didn't even see that as different weapon from a lightsaber when I played Jedi Knight.
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Mar 22, 2013 16:18
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Well, after the way Jedi fought in the prequels I guess the next logical step is fighting while looking away from your opponent.
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Mar 22, 2013 17:23
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Srice posted:Well, after the way Jedi fought in the prequels I guess the next logical step is fighting while looking away from your opponent. That sounds like something an old master in a kung fu movie does, which started me thinking. You know, my opinion on the fight choreography in the prequels has really come around, even in light of spinnylightsabers.gif. With the Jedi-on-Jedi duels, they were really reaching for the feel of two people who can predict each other's moves and read one another's minds locked in combat with a weapon that can kill with a touch, whether they achieved it or not. It's an interesting departure from the original trilogy, where we never see two masters of the weapon in their prime fight it out- the only duels to speak of are between an old man and an old man in an iron lung, and an old man in an iron lung and an inexperienced neophyte. The only serious miscalculation is their general overuse, and the Yoda duel. We see lots of instances of the lightsabers being used against droids and opponents who are not prepared to deal with a skilled lightsaber duelist- Jango Fett is instantly decapitated and the droids go instantly. People like to rag on Lucas' comments that they were supposed be nonthreatening or whatever but I think he was trying to make a point with it, but ultimately lacked the conviction to depict his best selling toys as sufficiently morally ambiguous, even though watching the films with an adult perspective makes it pretty clear that the Jedi are evil and that Palpatine has a seductive argument, even if his plan is incoherent and he's a cackling evil wizard in a black robe. People are missing what he was going for- the Jedi are the villains. An army of these guys who can wade through your high-tech laser fire and dice up you and your comrades without breaking a sweat is terrifying.
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Mar 22, 2013 17:39
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FigurativelyHitler posted:That sounds like something an old master in a kung fu movie does, which started me thinking.  I disagree. edit: Also, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
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Mar 22, 2013 17:46
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This trailer for The Old Republic actually have my favourite lightsaber combat, actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOLANti8UCY
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Mar 22, 2013 18:00
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FigurativelyHitler posted:It's an interesting departure from the original trilogy, where we never see two masters of the weapon in their prime fight it out- the only duels to speak of are between an old man and an old man in an iron lung, and an old man in an iron lung and an inexperienced neophyte. Whereas in the prequels you have and old man and a midget, another old man and the same midget, one of the old men that dueled with the midget and two inexperienced neophyte and finally an old man and Sam Jackson.
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Mar 22, 2013 21:15
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I hope they don't have lightsabers or they break or something. So the Jedi just punch each other instead. With Force Punches.
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Mar 22, 2013 22:33
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Yonic Symbolism posted:I hope they don't have lightsabers or they break or something. Mace Windu Force-punched a whole lot of droids in one of Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars animations. What's that martial arts they have in Star Wars? Did they ever show anyone using that in a movie or cartoon?
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Mar 23, 2013 00:18
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That would be Teras Kasi, the subject of a video game.
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Mar 23, 2013 00:21
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Dan Didio posted:How many times do you think that idea of purposely carbon freezing yourself to sneak into a place has occured in the extended universe? It must be easy to play the stock market in Star Wars. They do use money, right?
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Mar 25, 2013 14:19
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stawk Archer posted:It must be easy to play the stock market in Star Wars. Yeah, they mention credits a lot. PTM even has a plotline where Qui-Gon's ~space money~ is no good on Tatooine.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:04
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That would be Teras Kasi, the subject of a video game. Jesus, that loving game.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:36
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Srice posted:Well, after the way Jedi fought in the prequels I guess the next logical step is fighting while looking away from your opponent. After all these years I find out that the backstab spam in Jedi Knight II multiplayer was canon after all!* * for those who didn't play JKII, the most popular saber technique used in multiplayer was running assfirst into your opponent while mashing attack button - if someone was behind you while you did that, you'd make a blind stab behind your back, killing your opponent in one, unblockable hit.
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Mar 25, 2013 19:54
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The MSJ posted:What's that martial arts they have in Star Wars? Did they ever show anyone using that in a movie or cartoon? Kotor 2 had an entire character and subplot based on a Space-Buddhism Monastery only all women instead of all men and they spar naked for a whole lot of totally legitimate    reasons.
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Mar 25, 2013 21:21
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:That would be Teras Kasi, the subject of a video game. Uh, excuse me, but I think you mean Teräs Käsi. 
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Arschlochkind posted:Uh, excuse me, but I think you mean Teräs Käsi. Yeah, I just didn't feel like opening up Character Map.
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verybad posted:After all these years I find out that the backstab spam in Jedi Knight II multiplayer was canon after all!* Oh my god that was amazing. In the games I played it was always a game of "Force Jump and land just in front of an opponent, facing away, and do the backward strike" so it became this crazy exercise in spacing, since with Force Jump you could jump really high and far: You'd be jockeying with another dude for a jumping position advantage - tens of yards away. Hilarious.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Kotor 2 had an entire character and subplot based on a Space-Buddhism Monastery only all women instead of all men and they spar naked for a whole lot of totally legitimate That TPM video ... geez. Once it's pointed out, it really does look like they have no interest in hitting each other. Internet sites are now reporting that Zack Snyder isn't making a seven samurai-inspired Star Wars film. This is actually awful news, as that could be a cool movie and a big chance to launch other movies from. well why not fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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The MSJ posted:This trailer for The Old Republic actually have my favourite lightsaber combat, actually. The sublime magnificence of this trailer is almost persuading me to return to the game despite experiencing it's shitness first hand for several months.
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You know, going back over all the things I've read and watched in my time, I have to wonder how a non-Lucas battle between two masters of the Force would play out. In the Thrawn trilogy, Luke finds out that a dark Jedi managed to get to Dagobah and assumes that Yoda took care of business and the stain of the guy's death was what made the cave such a font of Dark Side-y power. In Episode III, though, we get lightsabers and throwing things at each other when Yoda confronts Palpatine. I would have assumed that, having moved beyond physical weapons, they'd be battling on a completely separate plane of perception or something, or even with the natural forces of reality. On another note, I really dug the whole Clone Wars series. It was actually pretty good, even if the writing suffered and the whole series seemed out of order sometimes. Padme's "uncle" dies in one season but is alive and well in the next. Go figure. Still, Darth Maul came into it toward the end and had an interesting story arc. well why not posted:If I recall correctly, you could even bone down on the Space Buddhist companion, foeshadowing Mass Effects' romance stuff years ahead. Yes, you could 'romance' Handmaiden, though the only payoff of the influence system was that you could unlock backstory and make two of the three love interests into Jedi (the third already being a Sith). You could also call Handmaiden on her naked fighting bullshit by saying that if you don't fight while being encumbered, you'll be weaker in the long run. She sees the point immediately. quote:Internet sites are now reporting that Zack Snyder isn't making a seven samurai-inspired Star Wars film. This is actually awful news, as that could be a cool movie and a big chance to launch other movies from. There was an episode of Clone Wars that was exactly that. Our three main Jedi characters fight with 4 bounty hunters to defend a village from the droid army. One of the hunters was basically a samurai himself, in appearance at least. Vicissitude fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Vicissitude posted:On another note, I really dug the whole Clone Wars series. It was actually pretty good, even if the writing suffered and the whole series seemed out of order sometimes. Padme's "uncle" dies in one season but is alive and well in the next. Go figure. Still, Darth Maul came into it toward the end and had an interesting story arc. The Clone Wars series is explicitly out of chronological order sometimes. It's so they could expand on popular stories (ie. Echo,Fives and their squad) and to stop spergy nerds trying to construct a precise chronology of the Clone Wars and complain about continuity being broken because people are doing too many things over the 3 years.
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Mar 31, 2013 17:11
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The MSJ posted:This trailer for The Old Republic actually have my favourite lightsaber combat, actually. The thing I loved about this trailer is this is essentially what we would have loved to see from Vaders raid on the Jedi Temple. Not just him killing kiddos.
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Vicissitude posted:I would have assumed that, having moved beyond physical weapons, they'd be battling on a completely separate plane of perception or something, or even with the natural forces of reality. The problem with battles on separate planes of perception that is that cinematically it would basically look like two guys staring at each other and going "HNNNNNNGH" until one of them falls over.
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Mar 31, 2013 17:23
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Vintimus Prime posted:The thing I loved about this trailer is this is essentially what we would have loved to see from Vaders raid on the Jedi Temple. Not just him killing kiddos. The Old Republic trailers had the version of lightsaber fighting I prefer the most (RLM points about what a fight scene is actually about taking primacy of course). It's just the right combination of martial arts with superhuman agility and power that you can believe that's how people in that universe with those powers would fight.
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Vicissitude posted:I would have assumed that, having moved beyond physical weapons, they'd be battling on a completely separate plane of perception or something, or even with the natural forces of reality. So it would be the first part of the Dooko-Yoda fight, which is about as bad.
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Mar 31, 2013 18:21
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Clipperton posted:The problem with battles on separate planes of perception that is that cinematically it would basically look like two guys staring at each other and going "HNNNNNNGH" until one of them falls over. Maybe if you're really uncreative and bad and making films, I guess.
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Clipperton posted:The problem with battles on separate planes of perception that is that cinematically it would basically look like two guys staring at each other and going "HNNNNNNGH" until one of them falls over. Man, if only someone, somewhere, might have the sort of creativity to represent this in an interesting way. Nope, not possible, it's never going to happen.
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Mar 31, 2013 21:52
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Maybe it would look like Sherlock Holmes 2, which culminates in a functionally-telepathic exchange in which Holmes and Moriarty review all probable outcomes of their fight before they have it. I am not sure I would recommend this for Star Wars, but hey.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Maybe it would look like Sherlock Holmes 2, which culminates in a functionally-telepathic exchange in which Holmes and Moriarty review all probable outcomes of their fight before they have it. Hero also had a well-done fight scene like this.
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Mar 31, 2013 22:32
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It should be like the ending battle from Scanners, complete with body horror.
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Clipperton posted:The problem with battles on separate planes of perception that is that cinematically it would basically look like two guys staring at each other and going "HNNNNNNGH" until one of them falls over. The entire fight between Yoda and Dooku is completely loving ridiculous. The wisest, most powerful Jedi in the galaxy vs. a Sith apprentice, and it's a loving draw? Really?  Man we need a "gently caress GEORGE LUCAS" smiley, maybe a Yoda shedding a tear or something.What we SHOULD have seen: Yoda completely dominates Dooku with the Force, casually tossing aside his lightning bolts and hurling him around the room like a bitch. As soon as Dooku realizes he can't win with the Force he pulls out his lightsaber. Yoda pulls out 5, throws them into the air and closes his eyes. All 5 ignite and start kicking Dooku's rear end, and in utter desperation for his life he pulls that pillar down on top of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Yoda now has a split-second choice, save his friends or kill the bad guy. We know which he will choose, Dooku scurries away, and look what this does: 1)establishes Yoda is the baddest dude in any room he walks in, which gives us even more reason to be amazed by the Emperor fairly easily defeating him 2)makes it less completely loving ridiculous that Anakin can defeat a dude who fought Yoda to a lovely, stupid draw 3)puts much more... I don't know what word to use here.. emphasis? on why Yoda so desperately wants Luke to stay on Dagobah and finish his training to kill the bad buy before going to help his friends, as Yoda's made this same choice before and it gave the galaxy to the Dark Side (Oh poo poo that MAKES IT RHYME) 4)fulfills a fantasy I've had for ~20 years of seeing THE Jedi master whoop some rear end But nope. SKIP FLIP HOP SCREAM oh look a loving apprentice has fought me to a draw. Well now it's not surprising in the least that his master whipped my rear end and sent me crawling out a garbage chute to go hide in a swamp. It's like George Lucas never watched or cared or thought about anything in his own movies. 
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JonathonSpectre posted:It's like George Lucas never watched or cared or thought about anything in his own movies. God that's a lot of sperg. Even taking the Prequels at their terrible face value, Dooku isn't some random Sith Apprentice. It's explicitly stated in Clones that he used to be a (pretty powerful) Jedi and Dooku points out that Yoda trained him and he trained Qui Gon. The problem isn't that he fights Yoda to a standstill, the problem is that Yoda even turning on a lightsabre completely contradicts and ruins everything about the character that we get from Empire.
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Yoda having once been preoccupied with worldly affairs and unenlightened is not a bad idea, and depicting him as a formidable warrior in the prequels is a good way to express that concept (though the way he fought was also silly). What it actually contradicts is his characterization elsewhere in the prequels, where he's still shown to be serene and spiritual.
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