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TampaTango posted:Pathfinder removed this. Many home games also eliminated this in 3.5 days. Removed what? The XP requirement?
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terminal mehmet posted:Removed what? The XP requirement? Yes. Because its a colossal hassles to track. Doesn't matter though. V mentioned scrolls cost xp in this world.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:08
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Hog Butcher posted:Doesn't that cost tons of XP, though? That doesn't really matter since, as the villain, Xykon is assumed to automatically gain whatever XP he needs to be an appropriate challenge. Remember the strip where Haley's nemesis (Crystal?) talks about that?
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Mar 25, 2013 15:14
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Let's be honest, Xykon doesn't give a poo poo. Like other people have said, as long as he doesn't spend his levels away he has tons of experience to work with and more magic items is more power. He supposedly isn't strategically minded but from all we've seen he's smart enough to know that he has limited spells/day and needs backup plans and magic items/scrolls/his assorted lichy bonuses are good ones.
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Mar 25, 2013 16:03
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Shugojin posted:Let's be honest, Xykon doesn't give a poo poo. Like other people have said, as long as he doesn't spend his levels away he has tons of experience to work with and more magic items is more power. He has a ring that protects him from positive enemy attacks and another magic doodad that protects him from fire. The reason this is relevant here is because he knows from his last encounter with Roy that he's vulnerable to undead disrupting attacks. Of course the last time he saw Roy he was plummeting to his death so he might not have bothered to fix that problem. I wouldn't bet against the strip having a crisis moment in the endgame when it's revealed that Roy's sword can't hurt Xykon anymore.
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Mar 25, 2013 16:07
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I always wonder if Xykon really is as clueless about people like Roy as he makes it seem. Does he actually not remember him at all or is he just faking it because it's funny and pisses him off?
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Mar 25, 2013 16:28
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TampaTango posted:Pathfinder removed this. Many home games also eliminated this in 3.5 days. So Xykon could go out, grab a random elf to sacrifice to Grummsh, and get an easy 120xp for it (assuming he maxes out knowledge [religion] and snags all the really easy bonuses to his roll like "performed at an altar" and "ritual lasting an hour") once a day.
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Mar 25, 2013 16:55
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I really want to see Nale's reaction when Malack returns to the group, Durkon in tow.
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Mar 25, 2013 17:04
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I bet Nale mercy kills Durkon.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:09
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Noah posted:I bet Nale mercy kills Durkon. There is a 0% chance Durkon isn't surviving until they venture to Dwarfland. The ironic twist to the prophecy is in place, it would be a complete waste not to see it through.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:21
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Noah posted:I bet Nale mercy kills Durkon. Nale? Mercy? Hardly. More like Nale kills Durkon out of prideful spite, in that Malack managed to do what Nale (and the Linear Guild) never managed to do: Kill a member of the Order of the Stick.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:23
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ImpAtom posted:There is a 0% chance Durkon isn't surviving until they venture to Dwarfland. The ironic twist to the prophecy is in place, it would be a complete waste not to see it through. It'd honestly be a pretty surprising twist if, like Miko's missed undeadening, the whole vampire thing was a feint and he really does end up returning to the Dwarven homelands dead and at peace.
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Mar 25, 2013 20:01
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I don't see Roy accepting Vampire Durkon at all. He'll have much the same reaction as living Durkon to Malack, and will take on a quest to destroy V-Durkon, after finishing the whole "gates" thing. Maybe Roy will fail, and we'll get a bonus set of strips after the main comic ends, of Roy's descendents hunting V-Durkon down.
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Mar 25, 2013 20:15
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Considering the actual event had a huge panel dedicated to it, and several strips of characters reacting to it, I don't see him going back on it like this at this point. That would just be flat-out Clevinger, really. (Also, I don't think most people have read Origins of PCs, so when he brings destruction back to the dwarven lands the fulfillment is going to be more of a bonus for those who have.) Johnny Aztec posted:Nale? Mercy? Hardly. More like Nale kills Durkon out of prideful spite, in that Malack managed to do what Nale (and the Linear Guild) never managed to do: Kill a member of the Order of the Stick. Nale might try to kill him for whatever the reason was that he killed Malack's previous children, but I can't imagine him succeeding. Though that does beg the question of how he killed the others in the first place--I'm guessing they either didn't have a bunch of class levels on top of the vampirism, or he just dragged their coffins into the sun and opened them.
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Colonel Cool posted:I always wonder if Xykon really is as clueless about people like Roy as he makes it seem. Does he actually not remember him at all or is he just faking it because it's funny and pisses him off? Probably 50/50.
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Mar 25, 2013 20:30
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Xykon's spent his whole life being compared to, trying to measure up to, and fighting with wizards. I find it entirely plausible that he saw a team of adventurers led by a fighter and said, "Well, they don't matter." He even offered to let Roy go and build himself up into a real challenge. But his offer fell through, so Xykon killed him, and since then the OotS hasn't really opposed him in any meaningful way. Why would Xykon care about them, even a little?
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My impression is that Xykon is so confident in the ability of his magical prowess to let him at least pull through even the nastiest surprise intact, that he doesn't consider the extra possible edge gained from small details like remembering individual enemies in case they come back worth the effort that could instead be spent amusing himself. That's not saying he won't put in the effort when it is certain to give him an edge in the near future, but he seems averse to do it "just in case". He acquired the ring protecting him against positive energy when he knew Righteye was planning to backstab him, but had to be convinced by Redcloak to make the rune traps that ended up zapping V's surprise round.
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Mar 25, 2013 21:40
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Colonel Cool posted:I always wonder if Xykon really is as clueless about people like Roy as he makes it seem. Does he actually not remember him at all or is he just faking it because it's funny and pisses him off? He is very old and has killed thousands of people. It is quite possible he looks at new individuals as "types" not people. Besides, fleshy faces all look alike.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:07
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Johnny Aztec posted:I don't see Roy accepting Vampire Durkon at all. He'll have much the same reaction as living Durkon to Malack, and will take on a quest to destroy V-Durkon, after finishing the whole "gates" thing. You could be on to something here. I can see Roy going much the same way as his dad WRT v-Durkon. Swearing a blood oath to hunt him down, then eventually settling down, having kids, forgetting the oath, and having one of the kids take it up after him. It would be an interesting progression, with some potential justification (I already know I get into heaven, so I'm fiiiine etc). Could be interesting. Order of the twig maybe 
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Mar 25, 2013 22:08
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Mystic Mongol posted:Xykon's spent his whole life being compared to, trying to measure up to, and fighting with wizards. I find it entirely plausible that he saw a team of adventurers led by a fighter and said, "Well, they don't matter." Well they did destroy him that one time.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:18
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greatn posted:Well they did destroy him that one time. Xykon's biggest strength is the hubris of others, which he learned to exploit quite well. On the other hand, his biggest weakness is his own hubris. Every time he was brought low it was because he underestimated his foe.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:23
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He didn't remember him at Azure City, and that was after he got destroyed from being body slammed into the gate. I think Nale is going to mercy kill Durkon because I think there is always one thing a villain has a distaste for, and I'm betting it's gonna be raised dead. I think he's going to mercy kill because of the rivalry with the OoTS.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:30
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I thought Nale killed Malack's children during his failed uprising? Well, I guess that was more implied than said.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:38
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Noah posted:He didn't remember him at Azure City, and that was after he got destroyed from being body slammed into the gate. He has to return to the Dwarven lands or the prophecy fails. Prophecies made by the Oracle have all come true. And I don't really see how Nale killing Durkon advances anything, apart from 'well that was a thing that happened." Of course if it ends up happening you have one motherfucker of a 'told you so' ready to go.
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sebmojo posted:He has to return to the Dwarven lands or the prophecy fails. Prophecies made by the Oracle have all come true. He could return just regular dead. Vampires don't turn to dust when staked like in Buffy.
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Mar 26, 2013 02:00
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sebmojo posted:He has to return to the Dwarven lands or the prophecy fails. Prophecies made by the Oracle have all come true. Except for the one about Belkar killing Miko or her horse. Despite whatever bullshit logic the comic used that one clearly failed.
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Angela Christine posted:He is very old and has killed thousands of people. It is quite possible he looks at new individuals as "types" not people. Besides, fleshy faces all look alike. "For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
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Cliff Racer posted:Except for the one about Belkar killing Miko or her horse. Despite whatever bullshit logic the comic used that one clearly failed. The question asked was would he kill Miko, her stupid horse, or the oracle. And he killed the crap out of that oracle so no BS there http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html - The question http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html - Prophecies do come true Morand fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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Mar 26, 2013 02:25
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Cliff Racer posted:Except for the one about Belkar killing Miko or her horse. Despite whatever bullshit logic the comic used that one clearly failed. The prophecy was that he'd kill at least one of the following: Miko, Milo's horse, Roy, V, or the Oracle. He killed the Oracle.
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Cliff Racer posted:Except for the one about Belkar killing Miko or her horse. Despite whatever bullshit logic the comic used that one clearly failed. The prophecy said he would be responsible for at least one of the deaths of Miko, her horse, V, Roy, or the Oracle, the later he stabbed to death.
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Oh yeah, I forgot because it happened after the Oracle gave his bullshit answer (and was the reason he got killed, right?)
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Mar 26, 2013 02:28
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Noah posted:He didn't remember him at Azure City, and that was after he got destroyed from being body slammed into the gate. He's going to recruit Vurkon and slay and resurrect Malack because having two vampire clerics is throwing off his whole Evil Opposite schtick.
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Cliff Racer posted:I thought Nale killed Malack's children during his failed uprising? Well, I guess that was more implied than said. No, it was definitely explicitly stated (well, not the part about the uprising). Almost nothing Malack's said or done about Nale makes any sense otherwise. greatn posted:He could return just regular dead. Vampires don't turn to dust when staked like in Buffy. They probably do in OOTS.
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Mar 26, 2013 03:23
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I think he means the uprising. We haven't really heard when or why Nale did it, though the uprising makes sense.
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Mar 26, 2013 03:28
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The part about the uprising was the whole point of my post, as the guy above said.
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Mar 26, 2013 03:30
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I think the joke there is that a vampire in a casket isn't "dead."
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Spikey posted:I think the joke there is that a vampire in a casket isn't "dead." Look at what that character says in the next panel. "I guess they could leave in an urn, though. For their ashes, if they got staked."
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Spiderdrake posted:I think he means the uprising. We haven't really heard when or why Nale did it, though the uprising makes sense. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html
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Parts Kit posted:When/why was mentioned a while back. Actually this sounds sort of like how some of the strip's jokes sound. Oy.
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