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Hmm, not a terrible torque curve. Much better than I expected, I guess the last one I had experience with was on a B16. It felt like a 2-stroke dirtbike, with like 50 horsepower coming on in the space of 400 rpm or so at the top of the rev range. A turbo would still be better.
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fag magnet posted:well, we're discussing how great the gt86 is here, and it has a very traditional single control-armed front mcpherson strut (with some weird packaging issues due to the placement of the FA). 10 years ago, that was seen as a strictly inferior design.. Said who tho? Frankly only dickheads with their heads up their rear end who worshipped double wishbone without understanding suspension principles, the good old fashioned McPherson strut is more than good - and in some areas even better. Much like dickheads who worship multicam without understanding why OHV V8's are actually in no way either ancient techology or cant beat the poo poo out of multicam engines. McPherson struts work and indeed can be better. quote:i'm not sure what a "designed road set" is, but pushing a design out of its operating parameters is always going to produce unpredictable results. my point is that the operating envelopes of suspension designs have been increasing at a rather shocking rate in the last 10 years due to the advent of high precision whole-car (or nearly whole-car) computer simulation. No, not really. Car companies use computer modelling to get "close" - protypes still cop every bit of a pounding in the real world as no computer can give you the wealth of random data a good test driver can. The envelopes are not progressing - in fact suspension engineering is being replaced at a rapid rate with concealing electronics, a very backward move esp in light that cars with engineering rather than electronics are clearly better.
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Mar 28, 2013 10:55
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kimbo305 posted:It's a much more affordable option in the UK. Heck, even in the US, you can find sub-30k Caymans. But of course with potentially expensive motor issues. I'm not sure how much more affordable a used cayman would be in the long run? Barring the IMS failures maintenance is going to be a fair bit more costly i'd assume, wear and tear bits also.
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Mar 28, 2013 13:51
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anime and cars posted:I'm not sure how much more affordable a used cayman would be in the long run? Barring the IMS failures maintenance is going to be a fair bit more costly i'd assume, wear and tear bits also. To be fair, I've done this to my older brother before out of pure frustration, because I want him to stop pestering me about new cars long enough for me to get some work done 
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Mar 28, 2013 15:12
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I'm not even sure that insurance will be more on another sports car vs the 86. We'll see what the accident rate on one of the most boy racer cars in a long time will be. anime and cars posted:I'm not sure how much more affordable a used cayman would be in the long run? Barring the IMS failures maintenance is going to be a fair bit more costly i'd assume, wear and tear bits also. The Cayman will definitely be more in the long run, even assuming you get one of the 95% whose motor won't blow up. But it will drive a bit better and have more power. So it's a decision about what you're willing to pay for. The equation looks better in England, where Harris made the suggestion, cuz you can find used Caymans cheaper than the new 86, which is not the quite case in the US yet.
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kimbo305 posted:I'm not even sure that insurance will be more on another sports car vs the 86. We'll see what the accident rate on one of the most boy racer cars in a long time will be. I doubt the insurance is that bad at the moment here, unless it turns out to be another S2000/mr2 which both tend to be pretty drat expensive to insure due to their supposed 'tricky' on limit handling. I was in the market for a used cayman/elise/s2000 a year or so ago and then I lost my job but I was veering heavily towards the S2000 because I was doing a shitload of miles at the time. Then I just ended up buying another mr2 and got another job where I dont drive at all, still every time I see a GT86 on the road I kinda want one. After sitting in one at goodwood and then blagging a short testdrive at the local dealership I realised that it would be dumb to buy a brand new car just for it to sit unused most of the time and that it would be better to plough money into an almost 20 year old car instead  Maybe in a few years when there are a nice selection of used ones about I guess.
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kimbo305 posted:I'm not even sure that insurance will be more on another sports car vs the 86. We'll see what the accident rate on one of the most boy racer cars in a long time will be.
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Mar 28, 2013 21:27
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fag magnet posted:i do agree that the insurance rates on the 86 are about to go through the roof (they are currently pretty reasonable, for those who are wondering, but are going up every month or so) Given that insurance costs also vary widely based on the age of the driver and local theft rates, isn't it a bit premature to make this call?
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Mar 28, 2013 21:30
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Solkanar512 posted:Given that insurance costs also vary widely based on the age of the driver and local theft rates, isn't it a bit premature to make this call?
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Mar 28, 2013 21:46
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Anecdotally: I ran an insurance quote for a BRZ, and it's about 20% more expensive than what I pay for my FR-S. Additionally, the ft86club people are mentioning that their rates are getting increased.
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Mar 28, 2013 21:55
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fag magnet posted:I talked more generally with my insurance agent about this car in particular, and that was his opinion. He closed off with "just avoid the Subarus, please". Ok, thanks for that. Why would the Subarus be more expensive than the Scions?
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Mar 28, 2013 21:57
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Solkanar512 posted:Ok, thanks for that. Because Subaru drivers are all either professional rally drivers who wrap their cars around trees, or octogenarians who park inside the old country buffet. Scion drivers are middle aged housewives who bought it cause it looks like a box!
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Mar 28, 2013 22:03
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Solkanar512 posted:Ok, thanks for that. My guess would be that, from an insurance company's perspective, Subaru owners are statistically more likely to get in accidents. I don't know what sort of conclusions can be drawn from that.
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sorry, to clarify, the rates via this particular insurer were identical between the scion and subaru, by "avoid the subarus" he meant both cars, as well as the wrx. and yes, the insurers who are quicker to raise their rates right now are factoring in the statistical likelihood of "a subaru owner" in general of getting into an injury accident, which is severely tainted by the sti and wrx accident records. i wouldn't be surprised if this car caused basically the same thing to happen to all scion owners. regardless, expect to find many of these wrapped around trees over the next few years. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 28, 2013 22:17
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Yeah, Scion owners seem pretty hilariously bad on their own. The xB not so much, but look at the accident rates and average payouts for the tC - they're dramatically worse than any similar car.
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Mar 28, 2013 22:20
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I did not know this. That's exceedingly hilarious considering that the tC is just a bored out 2-door Corolla with a sunroof (and somehow feels even more boring than it sounds).
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Mar 28, 2013 22:39
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Playing the ol' anecdote card, a 2008 Cayman S is $100/6mon cheaper to insure than the FR-S for me. 29m, using it as a commuter for only 7k a year, with default coverages.
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fag magnet posted:I did not know this. That's exceedingly hilarious considering that the tC is just a bored out 2-door Corolla with a sunroof (and somehow feels even more boring than it sounds). The Lancer is maybe the worst car I know of (anecdotally, I don't have local statistics) for insurance at the moment. It appeals to a terrible risk group, is fragile and is expensive to repair when it does break. I was told a few days ago that a friend of a friend managed to rack up a $15k repair bill on his $17k Lancer in a low speed collision that just tore the bodywork. If you look on the modern Lancer forums you can see a lot of people complaining that they pay way more in insurance for their naturally aspirated four door tupperware car than your average Mustang. I don't think anyone was really surprised that insurance rates for the BRZ/FRS would go up this year, were they? I've already seen a few high profile accidents on youtube. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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kimbo305 posted:Playing the ol' anecdote card, a 2008 Cayman S is $100/6mon cheaper to insure than the FR-S for me. 29m, using it as a commuter for only 7k a year, with default coverages.
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Mar 29, 2013 01:33
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Well this is interesting. Pic of the glowing badge.
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Mar 29, 2013 02:06
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anime and cars posted:I'm not sure how much more affordable a used cayman would be in the long run? Barring the IMS failures maintenance is going to be a fair bit more costly i'd assume, wear and tear bits also. Take it me - having done >30 track days with a stock 2006 CS, it's actually been pretty good maintenance-wise. Now of course you're going to go through tires and pads like nobody's business if you drive it hard, but that's part of the cost of doing business. The key is to have a good independent shop that won't kill you on labor and will substitute non-branded parts to the extent that makes sense (e.g. cheap $70 rotors that work as well as OEM and also don't crack) Yes, in the long run you'll pay more but I question whether it's really that much more.
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Mar 29, 2013 02:15
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Car design 2013: Make my new car look like a $39 PC case from 2004.
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hahaha "Let's slap some LEDs on it and call it limited edition". How long until neon & LED under-body kits come back in style? Also, that's a ticket waiting to happen. Cops LOVE pulling people over with blue & red lights anywhere on/under their cars.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The Lancer is maybe the worst car I know of (anecdotally, I don't have local statistics) for insurance at the moment. It appeals to a terrible risk group, is fragile and is expensive to repair when it does break. I was told a few days ago that a friend of a friend managed to rack up a $15k repair bill on his $17k Lancer in a low speed collision that just tore the bodywork. When I was looking for a car around 3 years ago I cross shopped insurance between a 99 Mustang GT and a 99 SVT Cobra. The Cobra was cheaper for me. I was 22 at the time and my dad who has been in the insurance business for over 20 years explained to me that often the LOWER model car costs more to insure due to the increased likely hood (due to less initial cost of ownership) of a younger less careful crowd. The lower model typically gets crashed more often/gets reported to insurance more often than a higher model like an Cobra. is Typically someone that owns a SVT Cobra (Vs. a GT) is older and less likely to drive the vehicle that much and thus reduced possibility for a insurance claim. Thus, a lower cost for insurance across the age range. Zipcode and likely hood of the car being stolen are massive factors as well. I pay around $250 every six months for full coverage for my 05 STi in rural Wisconsin and I'm a 25 year old male. (Being 25+ helps a lot.) Edit: The Sti is listed as my primary vehicle as well which effects rates. G-Mach fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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G-Mach posted:
I'm paying $75 a month for the MS6 and the Lightning and I'm 34.
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Rhyno posted:I'm paying $75 a month for the MS6 and the Lightning and I'm 34. Is the MS6 listed as the primary and the Lightning listed as a "recreational or weekend vehicle" with mileage limits?
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G-Mach posted:Is the MS6 listed as the primary and the Lightning listed as a "recreational or weekend vehicle" with mileage limits? It was literally a $4 difference because of how State Farm classifies the Lightning as just a normal pick up so I put no restrictions. I'll be sad to see it go because I'm going to lose my multiple car discount.
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Devyl posted:hahaha "Let's slap some LEDs on it and call it limited edition". How long until neon & LED under-body kits come back in style? Also, that's a ticket waiting to happen. Cops LOVE pulling people over with blue & red lights anywhere on/under their cars. The blue lights turn on when the car unlocks.
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So autozone will have a full selection of blue led badges any day now right? Oh drat it.... http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Reese-Ford-lighted-LED-logo-emblem/_/N-6g88?itemIdentifier=156471_0_0_
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The Lancer is maybe the worst car I know of (anecdotally, I don't have local statistics) for insurance at the moment. Hah, I know someone who drives a '07 base Lancer and got insurance quotes for the BRZ/FRS. They were both cheaper to insure than the Lancer 
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Subaru is cruel: http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease/432/1/subaru-surrenders-confirms-awd-turbo-convertible-two-seater
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AFewBricksShy posted:Subaru is cruel: My favorite part was this "The new model, which is expected to have a starting price" E: I would actually buy/drive the poo poo out of that thing, too. I love me some turbo diesels.
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That's the only April Fools joke that actually made me chuckle. Kudos
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Got some tints and installed Racecomp Engineering sways and springs over the weekend     
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Is that a one-car townhome garage with a two post lift? Are you looking for neighbors?
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I wish, I did the work at my friend's house.
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https://www.scion.com/cars/scion_series/ Looks like they are coming out with a limited edition fr-s with the JDM HIDs, keyless entry & start, and dual zone climate control. Wonder how much it will be compared to the Subaru. This is also good news for regular owners as these items will now have part numbers in the system that will fit in the stock locations without having to order from Japan. Might get me a set of them HIDs eventually.
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The only thing I wish I had was push to start, and something tells me I can't just swap that in since the dash pillar console (whatever it's called) is different. 
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