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Zenith Nadir posted:Humans Must Answer, the 2D space shooter by ex-S.T.A.L.K.E.R. devs, is in its final fundraiser week and needs a cash infusion to make it! I always got the sense that the STALKER devs never really liked me, or any of their customers. Thats great in a russian style FPS but a 2d shootemup is a game that you want the devs to love you katamari damancy style. Plus its in franks or whatever.
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Zenith Nadir posted:Humans Must Answer, the 2D space shooter by ex-S.T.A.L.K.E.R. devs, is in its final fundraiser week and needs a cash infusion to make it! I don't get why they opened up Paypal options when they haven't even successfully funded the game.
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Midrena posted:I don't get why they opened up Paypal options when they haven't even successfully funded the game.
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Orzo posted:Maybe they will just dump the Paypal money into their own Kickstarter? If they do that they deserve not to succeed. The sheer waste of double dipping taxes and fees is horrible. edit: wow, that was a bit harsh. If it's something they accounted for beforehand, then it's cool, but still slightly wasteful. Better to pay the lamb and get the lion's share, I suppose. Drifter fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Apr 7, 2013 |
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Drifter posted:If they do that they deserve not to succeed. The sheer waste of double dipping taxes and fees is horrible.
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Orzo posted:That's a bit extreme. Not everyone is eligible to use kickstarter to give funds, which is why a lot of people open it up as an option. And since the real drive of a kickstarter is 'I need X money to complete this product', does it really matter where the total funds come from? I think the criticism stems from opening Paypal before it's funded because if they get $2000 off Paypal, but don't succeed in funding on kickstarter then those $2000 have still been charged but there's no product.
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Demiurge4 posted:I think the criticism stems from opening Paypal before it's funded because if they get $2000 off Paypal, but don't succeed in funding on kickstarter then those $2000 have still been charged but there's no product.
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Zenith Nadir posted:Humans Must Answer, the 2D space shooter by ex-S.T.A.L.K.E.R. devs, is in its final fundraiser week and needs a cash infusion to make it! The demo seems pretty drat solid. I'll kick a few Euro-bucks their way for a good SHMUP.
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Orzo posted:I am honestly surprised that such a polished, already-functional game like this hasn't met such a modest goal. The graphics are really great. Is the genre something people just aren't interested in? Wasn't there another developer a while ago that was in a similar situation where they had a fairly functional game already and just needed some money to get it ready for commercial release? Then when their Kickstarter ended, they mentioned that they got a fair number of comments that basically said "Why do you need money? This game looks finished to me." I may be making that up but I swear I heard that somewhere.
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Kibayasu posted:Wasn't there another developer a while ago that was in a similar situation where they had a fairly functional game already and just needed some money to get it ready for commercial release? Then when their Kickstarter ended, they mentioned that they got a fair number of comments that basically said "Why do you need money? This game looks finished to me." I may be making that up but I swear I heard that somewhere. That seems like a very worrying sentiment to me. Imagine trying to produce a respectable presentation for your game to show what aspects need funding and what is currently playable, and people refuse to give you money because they don't think you really need it. Well what did you think the Kickstarter page was set up for, so the devs could just sit on their thumbs?
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StevenM posted:That seems like a very worrying sentiment to me. Imagine trying to produce a respectable presentation for your game to show what aspects need funding and what is currently playable, and people refuse to give you money because they don't think you really need it. Well what did you think the Kickstarter page was set up for, so the devs could just sit on their thumbs? I find it very interesting. I wonder what the sweet spot is for finished vs. unfinished for maximum dollars. Nice graphics, but terribly animated? Overall beautiful but terrible gameplay? It sounds like kickstarter backers tend to like projects where they can feel like their dollar was a major factor in improving the game, and so they want a game that has potential but is obviously not good enough in its current form. With bigger developers starting more and more kickstarters, and publishers trying to get in too, I bet there is a bunch of market research going on right now to figure out exactly how to wring the maximum amount of money out of backers.
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Donated to the Shovel Knight Kickstarter. I really want Yacht Club to be able to reach that 4-player battle mode just because it sounds really fun. Also I want to see Matt, Pat, and Woolie play it in a Best Friends Brawl episode.
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Baloogan posted:Plus its in franks or whatever. Uh, you mean pounds? Kickstarter is still mostly an American service, they just recently decided to support start-ups in the UK. People in the rest of Europe have to work around the requirements if they want to get their project on KS. For example, Larian had to set up a subsidiary in California for their D:OS Kickstarter.
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Baloogan posted:
It's six Jeffs to the Frank at the moment. You'd be a fool not to get in on the ground floor.
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Mojo Jojo posted:It's six Jeffs to the Frank at the moment. You'd be a fool not to get in on the ground floor. You'd have to be a fool to try. Jeffs and Franks may trade in a few places, but in the civilised world we only take the Mickey.
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call me when I can pledge in bitcoins. They won't know how much I've put up and neither will I.
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Jedit posted:I didn't back them because they're shitheads cashing in on nostalgia for a great game which they had gently caress all to do with the creation of and which has gently caress all to do with this game. The dev team has quite a few of the original PS:T creators on board. Including Avellone who's widely considered the mastermind behind PS:T. Whether or not you feel like the game is going to be worthwhile I think it's fair to say it isn't a blind nostalgia cash grab.
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FriggenJ posted:The dev team has quite a few of the original PS:T creators on board. Including Avellone who's widely considered the mastermind behind PS:T. Whether or not you feel like the game is going to be worthwhile I think it's fair to say it isn't a blind nostalgia cash grab. Not to mention the masterminds behind Mask of the Betrayer and Vampire: Bloodlines, two of the best RPGS of the past decade.
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theblackw0lf posted:Not to mention the masterminds behind Mask of the Betrayer and Vampire: Bloodlines, two of the best RPGS of the past decade. Coincidentally I just started playing the Vampire RPG, and wow. Such an excellent game! I patched the game with the bug-fixing mod, hacked my character for combat to be trivial, and wow. One of the BEST RPGs I've ever played. Writing is great, and your decisions seem to actually matter. I don't know if decisions do or don't count that much, or if it's just illusion, but without spoiling anything, I've opened and closed a few major quests just with my dialogue choices. I never liked the whole Vampire thing, but I'm digging it. Back to the PS:T kickstarter, it has a Hall of Fame of RPG writers and a famous and popular fantasy author, made by a guy who has dedicated his life to making the RPGs he believes in. It's a good project to back (although I don't think you can anymore since the Kickstarter ended a few days ago).
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Don Tacorleone posted:Coincidentally I just started playing the Vampire RPG, and wow. Such an excellent game! I patched the game with the bug-fixing mod, hacked my character for combat to be trivial, and wow. One of the BEST RPGs I've ever played. Writing is great, and your decisions seem to actually matter. I don't know if decisions do or don't count that much, or if it's just illusion, but without spoiling anything, I've opened and closed a few major quests just with my dialogue choices. I never liked the whole Vampire thing, but I'm digging it. They kept the paypal store open. Additionally they've kept the last stretch goal (Stronghold, more story) open until the end of April due to fan demand. https://torment.inxile-entertainment.com/store
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Don Tacorleone posted:Coincidentally I just started playing the Vampire RPG, and wow. Such an excellent game! I patched the game with the bug-fixing mod, hacked my character for combat to be trivial, and wow. One of the BEST RPGs I've ever played. Writing is great, and your decisions seem to actually matter. I don't know if decisions do or don't count that much, or if it's just illusion, but without spoiling anything, I've opened and closed a few major quests just with my dialogue choices. I never liked the whole Vampire thing, but I'm digging it. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines is such a tragedy [in a video game sense], because with proper combat and a less rushed final few zones, it would be remembered as one of the greatest RPGs of all time by just about everybody. As it is, it's an absolutely amazing RPG saddled with some absolutely horrid combat. I still love it to death, though, because the writing, characters, quests, voice acting, and mood are just so, so good.
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ARACHNOTRON posted:pro tip: The set of people donating to Torment is not necessarily the same set that donated to Wasteland 2. The overlap could be large, small, or nonexistent. Some of these people could potentially have not even known about the Wasteland 2 kickstarter, or know about it but not know it's the same company. Many could know but not care. Just out of curiosity, is it possible to click around and see just who the heck donates at those insane $1,000+ tiers? I know you can click on a user and see what they've backed, though I don't know if you can see at what level. I'm more curious to go at it from the other direction - According to http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/torment-tides-of-numenera, Torment has 9 people in for $10,000. I'd love to know what else those people are spending their money on. I don't even need to know who they are - not interested in stalking them at any level - but I've read all 255 pages of this thread in the last couple of weeks and it's been really fascinating. I don't even have a kickstarter profile myself but I eagerly look forward to the day I'll be able to buy all these great looking games. Are there any websites like kicktraq which collate user data from kickstarter and let you see trends, e.g. how many people who donated to Torment •also• donated to DFA, or how many people who've pledged $5,000 for one game have pledged an equal amount to another game? That kind of thing. Anecdotally, I've seen lots of posts in the thread about Notch kicking in $10,000 for a handful of projects. Is there some reliable source of info for that?
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I don't think it is but having a bunch of statistics would be really rad. Project creators can definitely see who donated what, so inXile could definitely show a breakdown between WL2 and Torment (with no personal information obv) if they wanted to.
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Each projects has a list of everyone who backed it, and each user has a list of what they backed all available to anyone who is logged in, so it seems like it would be fairly simple to compile those data, but I haven't seen it done. e: there's nothing about how much you kicked in, though, only that you did Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 8, 2013 |
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Five Cent Deposit posted:Anecdotally, I've seen lots of posts in the thread about Notch kicking in $10,000 for a handful of projects. Is there some reliable source of info for that? Here's confirmation about him on the Torment kickstarter. The problem with publishing data like you're talking about is that while it would be mega interesting to poke through, it would open backers up to all sorts of obnoxious poo poo. Even without the $ amount funded included, I could easily see every new RPG kickstarter trawling through databases to find people who have contributed to multiple other RPG's, then spamming them individually to try to get a few extra dollars. If it were published at all, I'd want it completely stripped of any sort of identifying information whatsoever. E: Now that I think of it, I'm sure marketing research companies are already approaching successful KS's to offer money for the donor list. Is there stuff in KS's terms of service about this? A list of people willing to give money for a promise would be worth its weight in gold to a lot of businesses. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Apr 8, 2013 |
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I'd just like to know the average income or net worth of someone who donates $10,000. I mean obviously Notch can do whatever he wants, but you have to figure there's one guy who gave his life savings to see one of these games made.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I'd just like to know the average income or net worth of someone who donates $10,000. I mean obviously Notch can do whatever he wants, but you have to figure there's one guy who gave his life savings to see one of these games made. I imagine a lot of it is younger guys with decent jobs and credit cards, but living beyond their means.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I'd just like to know the average income or net worth of someone who donates $10,000. I mean obviously Notch can do whatever he wants, but you have to figure there's one guy who gave his life savings to see one of these games made. I suspect in some cases it's not just one person, since I'd assume (or hope) that you are allowed to bring someone to these lavish parties or whatever. I think some goons pitched in together for one of the more expensive tiers in the Wasteland 2 Kickstarter.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I'd just like to know the average income or net worth of someone who donates $10,000. I mean obviously Notch can do whatever he wants, but you have to figure there's one guy who gave his life savings to see one of these games made. What do you think people who've retired before they're 30 because they've made many millions of dollars do? They have to do something with their time and money. There are also plenty of extremely wealthy kids of mega-millionaires. $10,000 really is not much to someone with a net worth of >$10 million.
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I could see myself doing it if I cared maybe twice as much about games as I do, and weren't such a tightwad. I'll get excited about some of these high tier rewards but then sit down and reason to myself that I wouldn't actually get what would be worth (to me) that much money. As it stands the highest I've given to a kickstarter is $45 for torment, and that's only because that tier included Wasteland 2. I'm not rich or anything, but I have no debt or dependents and gaming is my only remotely expensive hobby.
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Kenshin posted:You might be underestimating how much money some people how happen to be hardcore PC gamers have. Well, that's actually what I want to find out. I know those people exist(Notch is one of them, so of course they do) but I want to find out if the 10 grand backers are mostly that kind of person.
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Kenshin posted:You might be underestimating how much money some people how happen to be hardcore PC gamers have. You also underestimate the degree of fiscal irresponsibility less fortunate people can exhibit. There was at least one goon who was nearly brankrupting himself while spending thousands of dollars on kickstarters.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:Well, that's actually what I want to find out. I know those people exist(Notch is one of them, so of course they do) but I want to find out if the 10 grand backers are mostly that kind of person. That steve dengler dude basically invests in video games as a job now since he made all of his money in the dot com bubble.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:You also underestimate the degree of fiscal irresponsibility less fortunate people can exhibit. There was at least one goon who was nearly brankrupting himself while spending thousands of dollars on kickstarters. There was also the entire bitcoin thread. I vote for mainly irresponsibility, but there may well be a few Richie Rich types out there too.
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You also have to wonder how many of the high-rolling pledges fall through when Amazon goes to charge the cards.
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Some of the high end backers could also be on behalf of companies. We know that the guy that runs Razer and Obsidian backed Torment for some amount (likely one of the higher tiers), and I imagine those donations probably don't come out of the CEOs personal pocket.
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GhostBoy posted:Some of the high end backers could also be on behalf of companies. We know that the guy that runs Razer and Obsidian backed Torment for some amount (likely one of the higher tiers), and I imagine those donations probably don't come out of the CEOs personal pocket. Do they go for the actual level, though, or just pledge the money? I mean a corporation doesn't care about a resin statue and an invitation to a party for two people, right?
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Arnold of Soissons posted:Do they go for the actual level, though, or just pledge the money? I mean a corporation doesn't care about a resin statue and an invitation to a party for two people, right?
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GhostBoy posted:Some of the high end backers could also be on behalf of companies. We know that the guy that runs Razer and Obsidian backed Torment for some amount (likely one of the higher tiers), and I imagine those donations probably don't come out of the CEOs personal pocket. Why wouldn't those come out of pocket? Why would a company back a kickstarter project that they'll get nothing back from? Feargus's pledge on Torment was most likely his own personal money.
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