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TheDavies posted:Well, given that the most damning clue comes to us from MonoBear's hand, it's not impossible that he's being framed really well and that we're all on the quick road to group suicide. Or that something else is going on. ...have you MET Monobear?
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Apr 10, 2013 00:48
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The most interesting part of the update to me was the anti-litter sirens. Doesn't this mean that anyone willing to take their life into their hands is effectively safe from murder? Drop an item, the sirens go off, and presumably Monomi shows up to berate you. While the punishment is in question with Monobear there now, it seems worth it if you're outside and someone is trying to stab you to death. I'd start carrying around an empty can or two, or maybe a snack wrapper, just in case.
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Apr 10, 2013 00:57
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Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Avril had a big following in Japan, so it isn't that weird that she would come up as a pop culture reference. At least, I seem to remember asking "whatever happened to Avril Lavigne?" and finding out that this was the answer. But my memory could be off.
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Apr 10, 2013 01:06
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I hope Nanami is the murderer next chapter, just to gently caress with her fans. I think I'll stop reading the thread and stick to oren's updates after each murder, so I can get that experience of figuring out the mystery as I play the game. He made some good points.
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Apr 10, 2013 01:12
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LambdaDelta posted:Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Avril had a big following in Japan, so it isn't that weird that she would come up as a pop culture reference. Well, she did the soundtrack of the latest One Piece movie, if I recall correctly, so she's been active there within the last year at least.
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TheDavies posted:Well, given that the most damning clue comes to us from MonoBear's hand, it's not impossible that he's being framed really well and that we're all on the quick road to group suicide. Or that something else is going on.
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TheGreatGildersneeze posted:Some of y'all will grasp at any straw possible, won't you?
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Actually, the fact that Monobear up and decided to help drat Hanamura by eating the delicious meat on a bone to reveal its skewer actually casts some serious suspicion on his purported neutrality. Considering Monobear's comments of wondering what sorts of punishments they'll all get to see, I wonder if he is going to intervene on behalf of the innocent students once he's pretty sure they've got the culprit's back up against a wall. That or I guess the way Hanamura was freaking out (and/or despairing) was too hilarious to them and just wanted to keep it going? Either way, I think it's an odd character decision on Monobear's part to ultimately work against a legitimate culprit mid-trial.
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spd12 posted:Actually, the fact that Monobear up and decided to help drat Hanamura by eating the delicious meat on a bone to reveal its skewer actually casts some serious suspicion on his purported neutrality. Considering Monobear's comments of wondering what sorts of punishments they'll all get to see, I wonder if he is going to intervene on behalf of the innocent students once he's pretty sure they've got the culprit's back up against a wall. You really can't drat someone who's already damned.
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Apr 10, 2013 02:09
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Honestly by this point I trust the writers enough that I'm willing to entertain the possibility of a complete group wipe and (somehow) restart being part of the plot. They've pulled everything else off so far.
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Indecisive posted:This trial is so over I really thought the update was going to have the execution in it. This right here. I honestly thought he had just left it in the Videos and not mentioned it.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:
You're all overlooking the biggest mystery of all: how can a puppet eat? But then you might as well answer how there's giant mechs guarding various areas. I'm gonna go with "anime" as my answer. All the focus on meat and skewers has me thinking the execution is going to involve a good old fashioned Looney Toons style spit roasting... But that's not very haute cuisine, is it?
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Indecisive posted:This trial is so over I really thought the update was going to have the execution in it.
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Cutting it off right at the climax inference is too cruel, Oren.  I get the sentiment about having this as a long, drawn-out thing rather than a relatively fast-paced experience like the designers intended. I might try abstaining from thread speculation once the next chapter gets rolling... but will probably do so anyway. I dunno, I really enjoy hammering out everything and furiously examining theories, even if it gives everything away a little sooner. Given the slow pace of this format, I'd probably have enough time to work out 99% of the case anyhow. It's really just an unfortunate consequence of the way it's presented.
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He clearly needs to wait a whole month between updates, but have the entire trial as one big update.  But in all seriousness, Climax Inference next update! I can't wait to see what DR2 does with this considering how much it's improved everything else from DR1.
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I think it probably doesn't need to do much different except to have the full panels visible instead of the tiny circles of action. They'd all have to be the same size so that's not a giveaway, though.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:
This is amazing and you're amazing. orenronen and fedule, thank you again for such an incredible job. This and the DR1 LP have made me such a fan of this series. What an awesome breakdown from our pervy cook! I'm on pins and needles waiting for the next update. Everybody enjoy some more Monobear gifs! I whipped these up from the DR1 anime trailer.  
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legoman727 posted:He clearly needs to wait a whole month between updates, but have the entire trial as one big update. I would actually almost prefer this.
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Anoia posted:All the focus on meat and skewers has me thinking the execution is going to involve a good old fashioned Looney Toons style spit roasting... But that's not very haute cuisine, is it? I say Hanamura ends up fried; maybe as a McNugget (or similar, to avoid litigation) or chicken leg. Mind you, that might be because I just had chicken and rice for breakfast  Sporkaganza posted:I would actually almost prefer this. Same here, for serious; I don't mind waiting a bit between updates if it means we get meatier updates. I think it'd cut down on posting chaff as well.
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lotus circle posted:We still haven't done Climax Interference, which I assume is what Chiaki and Hinata mean by "putting everything together". So the trial should end next update (or two if Oren wants to tease us like the cliffhanging guy he is). At first i thought it was oren, maybe he can confirm, but I don't think it's his update schedule (well it is that a little but it's because there is so much to do when not just LPing but translating) as much as it is the massiveness of this trial. Honestly it felt like there was as much dialogue here as there was leading up to the murder. I may have to sit out on the thread for a bit too because it certainly is a lot less cool when there are 10 pages with enough time to mull over every single blink a character makes, leading the the solution to the trial being figured out quite early. Just looking at the characters I would have cleanly seen him as the last one to kill someone besides the princess. Edit: I'm not entirely opposed to less updates with more content but that doesn't make much of a case for peoples speculation unfortunately, even worse are those who "speculate" (know while pretending they dont'), the solution is to just avoid reading the speculation. SectumSempra fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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Apr 10, 2013 03:30
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Yeah, even if there are some minor perils like this trick not quite working, I don't really feel like I'm losing out on too much due to the LP format. I really, really like reading others' speculations and indulging in speculation, which is the main reason I've posted in this thread so loving much. You certainly lose some fun psychological tricks that depend on the player not being able to review absolutely everything, but then trying to solve the whodunnit with a bunch of other people is it's own kind of fun that you don't get when playing alone. Obviously some of the speculation is going to be stupid or wrongheaded and I totally get that there's a ton of reasons people don't want to read it, but I'd certainly miss it if it were gone. And a slower update schedule would solve exactly nothing; I'll echo what Shieldhill just said. You can only fit so much content into a single post anyways. e: typo Falls Down Stairs fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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Falls Down Stairs posted:Yeah, even if there are some minor perils like this trick not quite working, I don't really feel like I'm losing out on too much due to the LP format. I really, really like reading others' speculations and indulging in speculation, which is the main reason I've posted in this thread so loving much. You certainly lose some fun psychological tricks that depend on the player not being able to review absolutely everything, but then trying to solve the whodunnit with a bunch of other people is it's own kind of fun that you don't get when playing alone. Obviously some of the speculation is going to be stupid or wrongheaded and I totally that there's a ton of reasons people don't want to read it, but I'd certainly miss it if it were gone. It's basically like having the class trial amongst the forum members (and I mean that in an interactive sense, not like any kind of weird roleplay poo poo). It's been mentioned before, but it's really remarkable seeing how similar the characters' process of solving the case is to our own. Granted, we do have the advantage of being able to meticulously dissect every minute detail of the case, but for the most part it's just putting the pieces together. It took us at least a few updates to arrive at "Hanamura with the skewer in the crawlspace", and details like Hanamura not being there during Tsumiki's fall come to us as personal "holy poo poo!!" moments when we do look back at the archives. What I will say is we should give folks more leeway for not keeping up with the prevailing theory if they're trying to piece information together on their own time. Granted, nobody should act like loving Einstein when they do rediscover things, and theories like that "anime period" monstrosity should just be purged immediately, but if somebody suggests something that makes logical sense but was disproven twenty pages ago, I think that warrants a polite reminder rather than "WOW YOU loving IDIOT WE ALREADY PROVED THAT THEORY IS WRONG!!!" It hasn't been too bad, but there have been at least a few instances of uncalled for hostility towards some fairly reasonable speculation, just because it wasn't "up-to-date".
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alcharagia posted:I hope he stays attached to Hinata's hip for the entire game, personally, because what I most want out of this game is more of his wacky antics. They're "FANTASTIC!" Same. He's twisted, but I think he makes things pretty interesting. And I wouldn't put it past the game to have him make it all the way to the end without killing or being killed. At first I thought maybe he was deluded and seeing himself as Good Guy for bringing the SHSLs together to solve the mystery, but after seeing him play with Hanamura like a cat plays with a mouse, it really does look more like he's deliberately trying to spread despair by using hope. I'm still wondering if his motives, whatever they truly are, are his own or if he's working with/connected to Monobear (and whatever is controlling Monobear this time around, if anything) Seeing as this all seems like a big game to him, I can definitely see him continue to play devil's advocate with every single argument that comes up in trials. I wouldn't be too surprised if he took a liking to hiding evidence or messing with crime scenes, or setting up more opportunities tempting the other students to kill -- I'm still not entirely sure if he truly meant to kill Togami in the first place, or was just tempting Hanamura into acting. Even if he doesn't directly cause havoc on the island, I still can see him pulling strings to cause tension between the students. Or maybe he'll just end up following Hinata around to mess with his head. either way, I imagine he'll still continue his hope/despair thing during the trials. I can't wait to see his free time events. I think it'll be an interesting (and pretty creepy) dynamic having him around, though I don't know how much of a pain in the rear end it would be for the player to have to put up with for the rest of the game, haha. In fact, given that his Good Luck trait seems to actually have tangible effects, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes it to the end (assuming that living until the end is a good outcome for him, anyway -- from what we've seen so far, it seems like he wouldn't actually mind dying, but isn't actively suicidal, either). taniada fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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I kinda wish the game would get to the why instead of dwelling on the how so much. I'll admit there have been some interesting wrinkles like the culprit's exact location, the use of lights and the location of the weapon. The fact that the skewer was actually fashioned into a weapon means this is hell of premeditated. The way he did it seems like it was to stop Nagito from committing his planned murder, but the way Hanamura keeps looking towards him for guidance seems to go against that idea.
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CaptainFish posted:I kinda wish the game would get to the why instead of dwelling on the how so much. I'll admit there have been some interesting wrinkles like the culprit's exact location, the use of lights and the location of the weapon. The fact that the skewer was actually fashioned into a weapon means this is hell of premeditated. The way he did it seems like it was to stop Nagito from committing his planned murder, but the way Hanamura keeps looking towards him for guidance seems to go against that idea. Pretty sure the why comes after the murder walkthrough and the vote. The killer's not going to confess their motivation until it's all over (at least that's how it was in DR1).
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CaptainFish posted:I kinda wish the game would get to the why instead of dwelling on the how so much. I'll admit there have been some interesting wrinkles like the culprit's exact location, the use of lights and the location of the weapon. The fact that the skewer was actually fashioned into a weapon means this is hell of premeditated. The way he did it seems like it was to stop Nagito from committing his planned murder, but the way Hanamura keeps looking towards him for guidance seems to go against that idea.
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lotus circle posted:The "why" has never been a huge factor in the previous game though, so I'm not sure what you're expecting. The "why" is always the last thing explained and it's usually very obvious and not requiring a lot of thought. I'm sure we'll find out what it is, but there's no need to debate it. Dangan Ronpa is a mystery styled game that skips the "whydunnit" and always looks closer at the setup of the murder than the actual motivations. My counter argument to this is Mondo and Sakura. And somewhat Junko, although that ties in more to the entire game than a specific case.
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I get that it ruins the surprise having this drawn out and everyone getting weeks to pick apart all the evidence, whereas the game player wouldn't have any of that time, and would probably just rush through things, and be somewhat surprised to realize Hanamura's the culprit. But I would argue the experience we're getting instead is equally entertaining, because all this speculation is a hell of a lot of fun, and I've personally enjoyed thinking about the case and imagining how all the evidence will be used. It's inevitable in this format, especially with the massive popularity of this LP, that people would take this time between updates to figure out the murder. Why rue it?
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Oraculum Animi posted:My counter argument to this is Mondo and Sakura. And somewhat Junko, although that ties in more to the entire game than a specific case.
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I need to read the manga. If its 100% canon to the game then holy poo poo that's really unfortunate For poor Leon
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Apr 10, 2013 09:05
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haha, yessss "NOT IN MY HOUSE"
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Looks like big mama Nanami is putting Nagito back in his place. I wonder if those two will ever clash...meh probably not. Nagito is too loopy and Nanami is too chill.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:
It was probably just a trick of the animation, but while I was watching that I was almost willing to swear that Monobear was getting bigger as he ate. Tricks of animation aside, though, that bear's either chubbier than he looks or he's got some really inefficient fat-storage mechanisms. He's taken barely two bites out of that thing and he's bloated up like a balloon!
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Armanky posted:It hasn't been too bad, but there have been at least a few instances of uncalled for hostility towards some fairly reasonable speculation, just because it wasn't "up-to-date". True, but in a few of those instances "not up-to-date" meant they hadn't even bothered to read the same page they were posting on.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:
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