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KozmoNaut posted:To add a bit onto this, the problem is exactly as massive as it sounds. This engine is used in basically every single model from Peugeot/Citroën, loads of Fords, MINIs, Volvos and so on, and they're all affected. You'd think Volvo would've learned their lesson about Peugeot after the first time. atomicthumbs fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Apr 12, 2013 |
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They used Audi diesel engines for a while, massive heavy lumps but they did the job.
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Apr 12, 2013 13:41
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KozmoNaut posted:To add a bit onto this, the problem is exactly as massive as it sounds. This engine is used in basically every single model from Peugeot/Citroën, loads of Fords, MINIs, Volvos and so on, and they're all affected. Wait what? How is the oil not being supplied directly from the oil filter? Most VW and Mercs supply their oil directly post filter, how the hell is that not enough filtration for the turbocharger? And why would you put something that could obviously get easily blocked right before the turbocharger?
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Apr 12, 2013 13:59
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CommieGIR posted:And why would you put something that could obviously get easily blocked right before the turbocharger? Beats me, ask Subaru if that's a good idea... or a GREAT idea!
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Apr 12, 2013 14:01
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kastein posted:Beats me, ask Subaru if that's a good idea... or a GREAT idea! I'd rather have somewhat dirty oil that NO oil to something that essential and expensive.
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Apr 12, 2013 14:03
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CommieGIR posted:I'd rather have somewhat dirty oil that NO oil to something that essential and expensive. So would I. Subaru and Peugeot apparently disagree. http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=Info_SubaruOil
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Apr 12, 2013 14:09
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KozmoNaut posted:To add a bit onto this, the problem is exactly as massive as it sounds. This engine is used in basically every single model from Peugeot/Citroën, loads of Fords, MINIs, Volvos and so on, and they're all affected. Anybody know if this affects the 2 litre DW10 mill too? I'm getting paranoid about my Pug now. 
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Apr 12, 2013 14:11
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jammyozzy posted:Anybody know if this affects the 2 litre DW10 mill too? I'm getting paranoid about my Pug now. If they are going through the trouble of filtering the oil to the turbo, they should've gone the next step and added a high pressure bypass valve so if the filter clogs the turbocharger still gets oil
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Apr 12, 2013 15:15
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CommieGIR posted:If they are going through the trouble of filtering the oil to the turbo, they should've gone the next step and added a high pressure bypass valve that actuates an warning indicator circuit so if the filter clogs the turbocharger still gets oil
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Apr 12, 2013 15:55
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Oh of course, a simple overpressure sensor, but OIL THE DAMNED TURBO!
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Apr 12, 2013 15:59
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Speaking of turbos, I found this in a TDI forums post troubleshooting about a boost pressure engine code: 
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Apr 12, 2013 17:31
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 Were they running a smoke tune or something?
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Apr 12, 2013 17:33
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Nope, that happens to all of them, I've seen even worse. Best thing to do is a get a tune that turns the EGR down to very little or nothing. e: It happens because the PCV oil mixes with the soot from the EGR.
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Fucknag posted:
Welcome to TDIs with EGR. Billy Tully posted:Nope, that happens to all of them, I've seen even worse. Best thing to do is a get a tune that turns the EGR down to very little or nothing. Yeah, most popular thing is to just bypass the EGR completely, but sucks if you live somewhere cold because it takes longer for the motor to warm then.
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Apr 12, 2013 17:35
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But they're so much fun to clean! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vog9AJniOW0
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MrSaturn posted:But they're so much fun to clean! I'd be afraid of warping/cracking it, but it makes sense I suppose.
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InitialDave posted:Based on previous experience of PSA build quality, I have a hard time imagining them giving a poo poo. I can only speak from my own experience, but my 406 runs as smooth as anything and hasn't got a single spot of rust despite 12 years on the road including winters. I have one issue with it, a broken speed sensor, which was cheaper to replace than I thought. Sir Cornelius has one as well with more miles than mine, he's had very few problems with his, too. My parents are on their second Citroën C5 now, no major problems to report from them either, apart from normal wear and tear (my mom has a 50km commute each way). Of course, none of those cars are turbo nor diesel, which is probably a factor to consider  As long as people keep spreading rumors, people like me will have plenty of great, inexpensive used cars to chose from. jammyozzy posted:Anybody know if this affects the 2 litre DW10 mill too? I'm getting paranoid about my Pug now. It probably doesn't affect the DW engines. The 1.6 is a newer design from the DLD family, which was co-developed with Ford. The only real issue I've heard with the DW engines are EGR valves sooting up (as seen above on a VW engine), which I think is common to most diesels. EGR blocking kits are available, if you're worried.
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MrSaturn posted:But they're so much fun to clean! That's the most  way I've seen of cleaning a car part.
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Kidney Stone posted:If your engine is a 1.6l TDCi from Peugeot (PSA), then it might very soon end up being a mechanical failure - you need to remove the filter from the banjo bolt which supplies the oil to the turbo. If that filter gets blocked (the problem is caused by badly designed sump. Removal of the sump drain plug does not result in total removal of old oil. Leaving sludge in sump.at some point due to the way the oil sump is constructed), your turbo will fail. Well why do you think the turbos only four month old? Yep, exactly that problem killed the last one! We've taken the filter out of the bolt when we replaced the turbo.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Well why do you think the turbos only four month old? Yep, exactly that problem killed the last one! We've taken the filter out of the bolt when we replaced the turbo. Wait, is the filter inside the banjo bolt? Hasn't anyone ever learned about maximizing filter area? E: Goddammit, this is exactly what they've done, probably the stupidest idea ever: 
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KozmoNaut posted:Wait, is the filter inside the banjo bolt? I can't stop laughing at this, good lord. 
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Apr 12, 2013 19:12
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It's fine; the high pressure will just push any contaminants through the filter. It won't.
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Apr 12, 2013 19:33
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Take down (if necessary); by means of a screwdriver. I will do my best to integrate this phrase into my life somehow.
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KozmoNaut posted:Wait, is the filter inside the banjo bolt? Service interval: replace with every fuel fill.
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Shifty Pony posted:Speaking of turbos, I found this in a TDI forums post troubleshooting about a boost pressure engine code: I've seen worse. I wish I still had a picture but there was a hilux where the carbon was still gooey and it was blocking the swirl control valves from moving at all. Billy Tully posted:Nope, that happens to all of them, I've seen even worse. Best thing to do is a get a tune that turns the EGR down to very little or nothing. Hyundai/Kia seem to have solved this problem by software and valve design alone, along with a couple of other makes. VAG and the various japanese brands continue to struggle.
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obso posted:High ratio rockers and supa stiff valve springs don't play nice together. Or they don't have the right valve springs for that amount of total lift and they are collapsing/binding. They had around 30k miles on them and he beat the absolute poo poo out of his car. I'm pretty sure the springs lost their... springyness, and were compressing too much.
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There's a reason my cruiser has a pair of welch plugs hammered into each end of the EGR pipe.
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Ferremit posted:There's a reason my cruiser has a pair of welch plugs hammered into each end of the EGR pipe. One of toyota's biggest and most retarded mistakes is putting the egr outlet and valve in front of the turbo instead of directly at the manifold, as well as using a valve that pulls open instead of pushing and an egr stream that comes in perpendicular to the flow of air. It's all just lovely lazy design.
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KozmoNaut posted:Wait, is the filter inside the banjo bolt?  No no no no what the hell were they thinking!
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KozmoNaut posted:Wait, is the filter inside the banjo bolt? Holy poo poo 
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I'm not an expert on oiling systems, but some googling leads me to believe that it's a common occurrence, for whatever reason. But obviously not in conjunction with a sump that doesn't allow you to drain all of the old oil from the engine.
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Slavvy posted:One of toyota's biggest and most retarded mistakes is putting the egr outlet and valve in front of the turbo instead of directly at the manifold, as well as using a valve that pulls open instead of pushing and an egr stream that comes in perpendicular to the flow of air. It's all just lovely lazy design. They got it right slightly better on the 1KZ motors- the EGR valve is on the end of the intake manifold at the back of the block, so you only feed a constant stream of poo poo into #4's runner instead of caking the intake pipes and manifolds on all cylinders
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CommieGIR posted:Wait what? How is the oil not being supplied directly from the oil filter? Most VW and Mercs supply their oil directly post filter, how the hell is that not enough filtration for the turbocharger? Because Peugeot...
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jammyozzy posted:Anybody know if this affects the 2 litre DW10 mill too? I'm getting paranoid about my Pug now. As far as I know, the problem only exists in the 1.6 engine.
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Ferremit posted:They got it right slightly better on the 1KZ motors- the EGR valve is on the end of the intake manifold at the back of the block, so you only feed a constant stream of poo poo into #4's runner instead of caking the intake pipes and manifolds on all cylinders Don't worry, the 1KD rectifies that issue and goes back to the lovely old design. Just because.
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KozmoNaut posted:As long as people keep spreading rumors, people like me will have plenty of great, inexpensive used cars to chose from
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InitialDave posted:Every PSA car I've had personal experience of has shat itself in a mechanically terminal fashion, the only exception being an AX Forte my dad had new. That just had plastic parts disintegrate. I call that "culling the herd" But seriously:
I think my dad may have had 3 of the 2002 Jumpys at one point, but my memory is failing me. Out of the 13 PSA cars that my friends and family have driven and currently drive, only one has had a failure that could be described as even remotely serious, and that was a broken electric cooling fan on the Xantia. Perfectly driveable, as long as you didn't idle for too long. Other than that, there has been a stuck CEL or two and couple of minor things like that, we use our cars, it's inevitable. We also take care of them and keep them maintained. And yeah, the soft-touch rubberized trim in Citroën C5s does disintegrate, that's just how they are after a couple of years of wear. They went away from that design for a reason. No show-stopping faults on any of the cars, though. If you want to talk sucky cars, my go-to car is the 1996 Mercedes C250 diesel my parents drove before their first C5. That car was nothing but trouble. Jeez, I actually had no idea how PSA-mad of a crowd I actually run with. Take that as you will 
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My S2 106 Rallye was an awesome little car. When the original 8v engine gave up I just threw in a 16v from a GTI and kept on trucking. The best story I have about these was a friends GTI blew a piston ring on the way to Bruntingthorpe and we just make a catch tank from a water bottle and some samco hose and out he went doing 2 mile top speed runs in it and every 10 minutes came in and dumped the contents of the catch bottle back into the engine and went back out. Sure it smoked a bit but it worked. Next day we go and pull a bottom end out of some other PSA car running the came 16v TU engine and swapped it over on his drive and it fired up first time and was ok until he sold it a few years later. Sure the interior squeaked and rattled but it was fun.
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 Mechanic  Potential failure: He's got an NSX. Never seen it on the streets and I'm praying it's been kept tasteful. Mental failure: Another local tuner has a Murcielago body-kit on something that sounds like a barely running tractor engine. Love my town.
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This is a brand new window regulator for my car: This is how they look when they're worn down enough to need replacement:  Here's what I pulled out of my door today:  My door isn't full of aquarium rocks, the cam buttons failed but the window somehow kept working until it ground them into chunks too small to engage the gear.
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