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Twee as gently caress posted:Guess why that happened. That makes total sense. I assume the other writers had the sense to not actually take that route? God, I hope not. That is so very stupid and cliché, and totally out of character. I don't want to say that this was completely out of character for Dutch, but it's pretty hosed up, even for a guy who downloaded kiddy porn undercover to go after child molesters and traffickers and not tell anybody else about it. He's the reason why I stopped watching SoA after the first season. User-Friendly posted:
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User-Friendly posted:It clearly disturbed him, that much is clear almost instantaneously Saying that scene paints him as sociopathic is almost absurdly misreading the scene. Come on you have to admit that straight-up murdering a cat while looking in its eyes points toward lacking a certain balance. Maybe not being a sociopath, but normal people don't think 'I need to learn how to think like a killer to catch them!' and then proceed to suffocate animals to have a greater insight
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Twee as gently caress posted:Come on you have to admit that straight-up murdering a cat while looking in its eyes points toward lacking a certain balance. Maybe not being a sociopath, but normal people don't think 'I need to learn how to think like a killer to catch them!' and then proceed to suffocate animals to have a greater insight Well Dutch does have "a certain lack of balance", but that doesn't mean he's a sociopath or even seriously mentally ill. Killing the cat fits with his character. He approaches being a detective as a science, and he thinks that if he can achieve a certain level of understanding of the mind of a killer he will be the perfect detective. At the point where he does what he does he is very frustrated and has hit a wall where he feels like he will never be the detective he wants to be. I think its desperation, its his last ditch effort to understand the killers he chases, and after its over and he's disgusted with himself I think he kind of gives up on the idea of fully understanding.
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Basebf555 posted:Well Dutch does have "a certain lack of balance", but that doesn't mean he's a sociopath or even seriously mentally ill. Killing the cat fits with his character. He approaches being a detective as a science, and he thinks that if he can achieve a certain level of understanding of the mind of a killer he will be the perfect detective. At the point where he does what he does he is very frustrated and has hit a wall where he feels like he will never be the detective he wants to be. I think its desperation, its his last ditch effort to understand the killers he chases, and after its over and he's disgusted with himself I think he kind of gives up on the idea of fully understanding. Then the very next day he buys a Kitty. I mean this is a guy who would date a women if he thinks her son is a serial killer. At least Dutch has a sort of happy ending. Looks like he found a girlfriend and he has a friend that he will always look out for and her the same
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Basebf555 posted:Well Dutch does have "a certain lack of balance", but that doesn't mean he's a sociopath or even seriously mentally ill. Killing the cat fits with his character. He approaches being a detective as a science, and he thinks that if he can achieve a certain level of understanding of the mind of a killer he will be the perfect detective. At the point where he does what he does he is very frustrated and has hit a wall where he feels like he will never be the detective he wants to be. I think its desperation, its his last ditch effort to understand the killers he chases, and after its over and he's disgusted with himself I think he kind of gives up on the idea of fully understanding. I think this analysis is spot on. I really love that moment and object to calling it a Sutter-Step, because the moment comes around from the initial reckless pursuit of insight concluding in a realization of shame. Dutch isn't like the men he hunts, he tries to a walk on the line to get inside their heads, but really they couldn't be more different. A Sutter-Step would have been using that moment as genuine kinship between Dutch and the killers revealing a sociopathic side, which is how the moment gets misinterpreted from time to time.
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Watching it again, knowing what a douche bag Kurt Sutter is, really makes his character even more despicable. 
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Thank you thread. Looks like its time for another rewatch!
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There was a comment that Season 3 was the weakest but that is only in retrospect. It certainly isn't as praised as the next 2 seasons but I really think that's due to looking back and seeing that there isn't the tremendous leap in casting that the subsequent seasons take. Glenn Close, Anthony Anderson,Forest Whitaker.. hell, even Franka Potente all come after. Season 3 is really all about the impossibility of The Strike Team stealing something THAT BIG and staying under the radar. We're looking to see how the team survives but really it can't. On a week-to-week basis though, the tension was excellent.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=eADGy8c3D8o One of my favorite deleted scenes, a Lemanski flashback where he talks about wanting to become a cop after being assaulted in a night club.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:http://youtube.com/watch?v=eADGy8c3D8o This is a Blade clip, btw.
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Dead Snoopy posted:There was a comment that Season 3 was the weakest but that is only in retrospect. It certainly isn't as praised as the next 2 seasons but I really think that's due to looking back and seeing that there isn't the tremendous leap in casting that the subsequent seasons take. Glenn Close, Anthony Anderson,Forest Whitaker.. hell, even Franka Potente all come after. You could say Season three is all about the set up for the downfall of the team. Due to the money train and fall out the strike team breaks up, and Shane going out on his own. If that never happened then the stuff with Antwon would never happen and that causes everything to really fall apart
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Dead Snoopy posted:There was a comment that Season 3 was the weakest but that is only in retrospect. It certainly isn't as praised as the next 2 seasons but I really think that's due to looking back and seeing that there isn't the tremendous leap in casting that the subsequent seasons take. Glenn Close, Anthony Anderson,Forest Whitaker.. hell, even Franka Potente all come after. Christ. Forest Whitaker and Anthony Anderson were regulars? This poo poo just keeps getting better and better. I need to move faster. And I would imagine that saying season 3 of The Shield is like people saying that season 1 of Breaking Bad and season 2 of The Wire were the weakest seasons of those shows. It's kind of an arbitrary thing to say because those seasons were still great. I will withhold judgment until I have finished the whole season, let alone the series, but I have noticed a slight drop-off from season 2. edit: Christ doesn't actually make an appearance, that I know of, so I added a period to make that more clear.
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Season 3 just meanders for a while, I blame the order for extra episodes. And Kurt Sutter. No reason, just, most bad things that happen are probably related to Kurt Sutter in some way.Exploder posted:
I just thought you were referring to Forest Whitaker as Christ. Which is totally understandable.
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I'm almost done with season 4 and I'm really enjoying it so far, definitely a step up from season 3. I think it was episode 8 or 9 of season 4 that I just watched and Shane coming clean with Vic and begging him for help while Vic is pointing the gun at him not knowing whether to believe him or not is one of the most intense and suspenseful moments in the series so far. I was literally on the edge of my seat and of course the episode comes to an end. I do NOT have time to watch another episode tonight and it will be a very long 18 hours before I can blow through the rest of the season to see how it turns out. And I just made the decision that the next thing I watch after The Shield is going to be season 4 of Justified. I already watched the first 3 seasons and I am going to be in desperate need of a Walton Goggins fix.
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This got mentioned a page or two back, but I figure it's worth another plug: the AVClub is currently running through the series and should be closing out Season 1 in a week or two. The comments sections are spoilerific, but the recaps themselves are safe.
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I had watched season 1 when it aired, then local TV in Australia buried it at 1-2am or never showed it so I eventually had to buy all the DVDs. Season 2 to 7 all in one hit. Unbelievable. But there was a scene, I think actually the final shot of season 2 with Vic, Shane and Lem all staring at the money from the money train. Vic and Shane on one side, Lem on the other. That one shot summed up the next 3 seasons. Great!
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Decided it is time for my yearly rewatch. Even though the music sucks but the end of the first episode is shocking after all these years.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:This is a Blade clip, btw. Trivia - since this clip is canon, Terriers and The Shield happen in the same universe. Hank Dolworth's in the background there! Shawn Ryan, you crafty devil you.
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toggle posted:I had watched season 1 when it aired, then local TV in Australia buried it at 1-2am or never showed it so I eventually had to buy all the DVDs. Season 2 to 7 all in one hit. Unbelievable. I just finished S3E14 and whoa, that is a great observation. Poor Lem, he just wants to do the right thing. And he sure does love that incinerator! I'm about to finish season 3 and start season 4 tonight. Will report back. edit:  Start of the season finale: Andre 3000: "I was just hosing down da hoes!"
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Finished watching Blowback. I really fucken hate Sutter, but the ending with Dutch is pretty funny. Then there is Cherrypoppers. I know it is coming and I feel dirty every fucken time I watch it.
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The casting on this show is brilliant. I was a bit skeptical when I heard that Glenn Close was in it, because she hasn't really been in anything I've liked, but I just finished S4E1 and so far she seems pretty drat convincing as the new captain of the Barn. And I was pleasantly surprised to see David Marciano (Virgil from Homeland). I recognized him at first but couldn't place him, and naturally I went to IMDB and figured it out. The season 4 premiere was a bit underwhelming, but it's mostly set-up, so I get it. As Vic and Ronnie were rolling up on Dead-Eye's house at the end of the episode, I was thinking to myself "where the hell is Shane?" And sure enough, there is Shane with a dead Dead-Eye on the ground. This will get interesting. bobkatt013 posted:Finished watching Blowback. I really fucken hate Sutter, but the ending with Dutch is pretty funny. Then there is Cherrypoppers. I know it is coming and I feel dirty every fucken time I watch it. That episode has scarred me for life. I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about it.
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S4E1 may be slow, but trust me... The season is going to pick up very quickly. Season 4, I consider a turning point in the show-- where it went from good (Seasons 1-3) to great (Season 4 and beyond).
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S4E5 poo poo JUST GOT REAL  Antwon icing the girl who gave up the heroin house, and threatening to pin it on Shane. Holy gently caress. This season just went from relatively tame (by previous standards) to nuclear in one scene.
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Exploder posted:S4E5 poo poo JUST GOT REAL That's what I was waiting for you to see. 
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I'm up to S4E10 "Fire in the Hole" now. Here are a few random thoughts, since I don't have much time to write up full reviews. I really thought Shane was going to kill Antwon right there in the interrogation room. I was bracing myself for the moment, but that conversation was intense. What a great scene, and excellent acting.They have taken Aceveda to a dark, dark place. Cheating on his wife and taking out his anger on a hooker is one thing, but re-enacting his rape-at-gunpoint on her took it to another level. And I thought jacking it to a rape video was creepy enough. I laughed so hard when Dutch made change after putting money in the donation jar. "I need some money. I have to buy gas!" Also, Glenn Close is amazing as Monica Rawling. I never realized how great of an actress she is. I've heard great things about Damages, would anybody else here recommend it? I'm going to watch Justified after I'm done with this, so I think that will be next on my list.
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Exploder posted:Also, Glenn Close is amazing as Monica Rawling. I never realized how great of an actress she is. I've heard great things about Damages, would anybody else here recommend it? I'm going to watch Justified after I'm done with this, so I think that will be next on my list. Damages is worth watching, but with an asterisk. First couple seasons are solid. Inconsistent after. Justified I recommend with the only caveat that the first few episodes are less serialized and more about the colorful, mildly incompetent, yet still dangerous villains-of-the-week common to Elmore Leonard. After that, you get a nice long ride through the season finale, and each season afterwards tends to stick to a singular arc with multiple acts and more capable antagonists. I set it above Damages for reliable excellence. *edit - vvv - meant episodes, but yeah. Corrected! isk fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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isk posted:Damages is worth watching, but with an asterisk. First couple seasons are solid. Inconsistent after. You mean the first season. The second season has an amazing villain for the whole season.
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Damages is decent because it has good characters and good acting, but I'm really not a fan of the gimmick they used where the entire season is building to one scene that they show you up front at the very beginning. The season of Breaking Bad where they did that is also my least favorite.
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Sooooo I just finished Season 5 and yeah... wow. Poor Lem. I knew going in that he would die, but didn't know how. I hope Vic finds out it was Shane and beats him to death. I loving hate Shane and Lem was awesome 
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Hooked, mostly the fault of the constant Goggins/Shield references in the Justified thread. I'm halfway through season four and drat this is good tv. Dutch is awesome, but Ronnie is my favorite character and I'm excited to see his role expand... Dude is just a quiet, capable... motherfucker without much of a moral compass. Everyone here needs to go watch Justified, if only to see a level headed, intelligent, murderous, Shane with a southern drawl. Guy is such a great actor. It has the same issue that breaking bad does where the first two seasons seem slow while the characters are being fleshed out and then season 4/5 knock you out. One of the most holy gently caress moments watching a TV show was the when I saw the cat. I KNEW.
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I would bet the majority of us here watch Justified too.
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Bluff posted:Hooked, mostly the fault of the constant Goggins/Shield references in the Justified thread. I'm halfway through season four and drat this is good tv. Dutch is awesome, but Ronnie is my favorite character and I'm excited to see his role expand... Dude is just a quiet, capable... motherfucker without much of a moral compass. Yeah, Ronnie is one of my favorites too and I'm so glad they expanded his role at this point. (I'm about where you are in the series, almost done with season 4) He is like the neutral counterpart between Vic, Shane, and Lem and it's nice to have a guy like that in that group dynamic. He is the "swing vote", if you will. I wouldn't say he doesn't have a moral compass though, he just doesn't show it very often. (spoilered just in case) He hasn't really done anything as morally irreprehensible as Vic and Shane have, except for being complicit in their dealings. I will be definitely watching Justified after I'm done with this. I was completely sold on Walton Goggins after a scene that happens in episode 10 of season 4. He was incredible in that episode. You'll know the scene when you watch it. I've lost count, but there have been about 10-15 HOLY poo poo moments so far in the series, and yeah the cat was one of them. I was so deeply disturbed by that, especially because I like Dutch. It is right up there with "cherrypoppers" and "the dove" on the list of most disturbing scenes from this series so far. I can handle adults being shot because I've been desensitized to it after watching so many action movies and TV shows, but kids being raped and cats getting killed are on another level, it almost makes me sick to my stomach. If you are up to episode 5, Angie getting shot by Antwon is high on that list too. edit: S4E12 The Russian blowing himself up in the chair rigged with C4. That was AWESOME! Add that to the holy poo poo list.
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Conquistador posted:I would bet the majority of us here watch Justified too. I haven't seen it, which is weird because I have a huge mancrush on Timothy Olyphant after seeing The Girl Next Door. It's my favorite guilty pleasure movie, and he plays a slimy scumbag so well. Also loved him in The Perfect Getaway. And now that I'm a Walton Goggins fan, although I hate Shane SO MUCH, I definitely need to get on the Justified train. Regarding Ronnie... I hope his role expands over the next couple of seasons especially since Lem is dead for reasons already mentioned. And holy poo poo Forest Whitaker does not disappoint, ever.
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The reason I haven't gotten into Justified yet (though I've tried, twice) is because Olyphant, to me, was the weakest of an amazing cast in Deadwood.
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Olyphant's performance is much more varied as Raylan Givens than Seth Bullock, and the show works so well because of his fantastic chemistry with Walton Goggins.
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All this talk about Goggins in Justified has me wondering, is he a multi season enemy? A constant antagonist? I take it they don't treat him like a Dexter villain.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:All this talk about Goggins in Justified has me wondering, is he a multi season enemy? A constant antagonist? I take it they don't treat him like a Dexter villain. He is the second lead. He is a main character and he is a sort of enemy.
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escape artist posted:The reason I haven't gotten into Justified yet (though I've tried, twice) is because Olyphant, to me, was the weakest of an amazing cast in Deadwood. This is Olyphant's best role to date, by a fair margin. Totally understandable if the association is still too strong. Deadwood's a special show, right. That said, Olyphant regularly nails the role of Raylan Givens. When he's overshadowed, it's more of the nature of the character and whoever he's with at the time. It's a bit different than him having to stack up against Ian McShane. For me, it's refreshing that a protagonist is capable and smart, but still fallible and foolish at times.
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Re watching the show and at co-pilot. I forgot that Shane was the one who vouched for Lem and got him on the Strike Team.
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