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Seconding the piss look. quote:OSS 1st Lieutenant George Musulin behind enemy lines in German-occupied Serbia, as Chetnik, during his first mission on November 1943. His second mission was Halyard Height and weight standards be damned.
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From the photos of Rhodesia I've see those shorts don't look nearly short enough.
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That was shortly after we got done running through waist deep water, but yeah we gave him poo poo for a solid hour about the piss look.
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Apr 17, 2013 01:18
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Grillin' Syrian style http://i.imgur.com/RAUYLvl.jpg
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Rude. posted:Grillin' Syrian style I had a strong suspicion of what this was before I clicked on it...and I was correct. 
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Apr 17, 2013 02:14
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Whoa, is that confirmed as real? Looks photoshopish...but going off other vids/pics coming out of Syria, I wouldn't be surprised if it's legit.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:44
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Whoa, is that confirmed as real? Looks photoshopish...but going off other vids/pics coming out of Syria, I wouldn't be surprised if it's legit. Looks real to me. Probably a suicide bomber.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:45
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Looks like someone's going to have to face the facts about his side losing
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Apr 17, 2013 02:46
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He gives the camera a lot of face time.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:47
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Rude. posted:Grillin' Syrian style That's interesting...
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The locals hate it when Westerners joke about the rebellion since they have so much skin in the game
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Apr 17, 2013 02:54
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Anyone think the rebels might lose face over these sorts of pictures?
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Apr 17, 2013 02:57
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That's no way to become the head of a major corporation.
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Apr 17, 2013 03:00
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Vas's really gonna rake us over the coals when he finds these posts
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Apr 17, 2013 03:09
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It's a shame he'll never become the head of a major corporation.
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I hate all of you.
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^Don't get too hot under the collar, Vas.Fallom posted:It's a shame he'll never become the head of a major corporation. Seriously? You'll never get ahead in this forum if you rejoke 2 posts later.
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Too bad, he'll never be the head of a major corporation.
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I doubt he will top a large company.
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The board won't pick him to be the apex of their enterprise.
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Thump! posted:The uniform he's wearing is the Rhodesian pattern. Definitely Rhodesian Army. I have a buddy who does a lot of different reenacting who put together the whole kit. I don't know too terribly much about the guys, but according to him they were probably one of the best Counter-Insurgency forces ever formed. Not that I know it's true, but it seems plausible. The RLI were pretty terrible at all aspects of counter-insurgency except the killing 'bad guys' part. Also, the whole idea of reenacting the Bush War is pretty loving weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQMrD53Jofc
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Apr 17, 2013 03:24
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Fallom posted:Too bad, he'll never be the head of a major corporation. I think Facebook would hire him.
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Those Rhodesian fellas are Selous Scouts, and they were very very successful in eliminating their foes. After the fall of Rhodesia, many of the white members said "gently caress this" and went to South Africa. Also, after reading about their training... gently caress that.
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rockamiclikeavandal posted:I guess that makes sense. I can't think of anyone that is good at defeating guerrillas in the last 50 years or so. A little known one is the British counter-insurgency campaign waged in Malaya after World war 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency Actually did pretty well, and has been studied as how to counter...insurgency?
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Ruse posted:Those Rhodesian fellas are Selous Scouts, and they were very very successful in eliminating their foes. After the fall of Rhodesia, many of the white members said "gently caress this" and went to South Africa. Reenacting the Rhodesian military seems incredibly bizarre.
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Saint Celestine posted:A little known one is the British counter-insurgency campaign waged in Malaya after World war 2. Yeah, I was going to mention it, but I thought the 50 year limit was an attempt to exclude it.
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Saint Celestine posted:A little known one is the British counter-insurgency campaign waged in Malaya after World war 2. The British basically had every possible thing in their favor, though...easily isolated geographical area, a populace that was largely supportive of the government from the beginning, a government that was capable/competent/effective from the beginning (which meant that they only had to make minor concessions to placate the majority of the rest of the population that didn't support them from the beginning), a colonial government that was very supportive of transitioning to self-rule, and an insurgency that was almost completely based in an ethnic minority (and as such was much easier to isolate from the population). Also it didn't hurt that the MCP/MNLA were one of the most incompetent insurgencies in the history of insurgency. That isn't to say that the Commonwealth forces didn't do a lot of things right, because they did, but basically the Emergency was like playing COIN with every cheat code activated.
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Saint Celestine posted:A little known one is the British counter-insurgency campaign waged in Malaya after World war 2. The Malayan Emergency is unique and the lessons learned not really applicable for a variety of reasons. The core of the insurgency were ethnic Chinese communists. The MNLA were driven from the populated areas and were forced to operate in the irrelevant hinterlands. Unlike in Rhodesia/Vietnam/Afghanistan, the MNLA had no cross border refuge, received little external support and did not possess the support of the people. "Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife" is a good primer on the topic but it would be worthwhile to read some critiques to understand the limitations of applying Malaysia to other conflict. edit: gently caress beaten by iyaayas
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Veins McGee posted:The RLI were pretty terrible at all aspects of counter-insurgency except the killing 'bad guys' part. Well, that was their job. Other units in the Rhodesian military had other tasks. The RLI and, later, the RAR, were doing fireforces and taking out ZANLA/ZIPRA cadres, while other units were infiltrating the organizations, gathering intelligence, patrolling the border, doing route clearance, etc.
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Veins McGee posted:The RLI were pretty terrible at all aspects of counter-insurgency except the killing 'bad guys' part. Everything I've read about it pretty much points to "If it was a competent raid against a valuable target, it was the South Africans. If it was a body count in the middle of nowhere, it was the Rhodies"
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Mortabis posted:Well, that was their job. Other units in the Rhodesian military had other tasks. The RLI and, later, the RAR, were doing fireforces and taking out ZANLA/ZIPRA cadres, while other units were infiltrating the organizations, gathering intelligence, patrolling the border, doing route clearance, etc. There is a passage in Mukiwa where Godwin describes a patrol of RLI passing through a village where he was stationed as a police officer. There are passages in Fireforce(Cocks was RLI) where he describes being a party to brutally torturing villagers for information or indiscriminate fire into villages and the like. Same with Croukampf(RLI and Seluous Scout). Those are only the actions that these men would would admit to witnessing or participating in. The Rhodesian Security Forces, with a few exceptions, lacked the mindset to ever be effective counterinsurgents because they simply didn't think of the black Africans as people the same as them. Sure, Fireforce was effective at killing insurgents but that isn't the whole picture of a counter-insurgency and nor was it the only tasking the RLI received. Its pretty hard to generate intelligence to find the cadres if the Africans* generally have very negative interactions with whites or security forces. *in this case, black Africans Booblord Zagats posted:Everything I've read about it pretty much points to "If it was a competent raid against a valuable target, it was the South Africans. If it was a body count in the middle of nowhere, it was the Rhodies" I've never read anything that would indicate that. The South African's major manpower contribution were some border police that they withdrew in 76. vains fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Wait the South Aficans were openly supporting Rhodesia? My impression of the war was a small section of legit operating operators who operated, and then a whole slew of farmers drafted roaming about. I thought Rhodesia was on it's own the whole time, although that doesn't really make any sense. SA would have a vested interest in keeping another white african country. How involved was South Afica? Was Angola's conflict similar to Rhodesia? Blacks getting tired of the poo poo and rising up with a leftist bent? I really gotta go read a book.
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I have read that the Rhodesian SAS, which was supposed to be responsible for most external attacks, was not really managed competently, in particular refusing to incorporate black troops, which was one of the major sources of success for other units like the Selous Scouts. By not incorporating blacks it became difficult or impossible to blend with the population. There were a number of instances where Rhodesian forces took out major encampments of ZANLA. Those were mostly "body count" attacks but in fairness, when the body count is that huge (talking between 1,000 and 10,000) that is a major success in its own right. Rhodesian forces numbered about 20,000 men or so through the conflict I think. Supposedly after the Chimoio raid, where ZANLA suffered about 8,000 casualties and the Rhodesians suffered 8, Mugabe was actually considering ending the conflict. Or so he (Mugabe) said. There was another attack later where the Selous Scouts took about 80 guys and bunch of trucks, painted them in FRELIMO livery and wore FRELIMO uniforms, drove them into the middle of a ZANLA camp, and just shot everyone with machine guns, killing something like a thousand people. Yeah, they were pretty good at the killing thing. South Africa donated more equipment than people. It loaned some old Alouette III helicopters. Also, when a ship carrying T-55 tanks for ZANLA accidentally docked in Durban, the South Africans sent the tanks to the Rhodesians. Remember that the Afrikaner National Party was, well, Afrikaner and the Rhodesians were of British descent primarily. There are multiple white ethnic groups in Southern Africa and historically the Afrikaners and British have had some bad blood. I think South Africa supported Rhodesia more for the fact that it didn't want to have to secure a longer border than for ideological reasons. Angola's conflict was totally different. It was a civil war in which South Africa got involved because it was trying to secure what was then South-West Africa (now Namibia). Angola was abandoned by Portugal then and fighting was between the communist MPLA and anti-communist UNITA. South Africa supported UNITA, as did we.
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The South Africans were providing Rhodesia with immense amounts of material support, including a trading partner while Rhodesia was under some of the heaviest sanctions in the world and a large proportion of the helicopters and aircrew in use by the RhAF. South Africa supported Rhodesia right up near the end, when they cut off most of their overt support in (IIRC) a bid to get the international community to be less mean to them. My best friend growing up is an Afrikaner, his parents would always lambast the changes in Rhodesia/South Africa while cooking that really awesome sausage. And my friend's uncle was an SADF Paratrooper who told the most  stories.For content, have a recording of a Rhodesian pilot basically telling the Zambians they weren't allowed to fly any planes until he was done bombing people in their country https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1NRLFso6Q
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Already been covered pretty well but everything I've heard about Malaya was pretty much it being Vietnam the super easy version. One of my friends in the army told me about a local diner owner that he knew in his hometown who fought in Rhodesia. Apparently the guy was born and raised in Greece and got bored and wanted to see combat so he went to Rhodesia to be a mercenary and ended up getting enough money to move to the US and start a Greek diner. No too bad of a back story for a restaurant owner I guess.
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TsarZiedonis posted:For content, have a recording of a Rhodesian pilot basically telling the Zambians they weren't allowed to fly any planes until he was done bombing people in their country
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How the hell did the Selous Scouts cause 68% of enemy casualties? I can't think of any other SF unit with a bodycount that high.
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Frosted Flake posted:How the hell did the Selous Scouts cause 68% of enemy casualties? By waxing any blecks that came within sixty miles of their AO, naturally.
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Richard Bong posted:
Couple pages back but the company that made these, Hayes Diversified Technologies, supposedly went under a couple years back before they could produce a multifuel civilian version. Which sucks because I wanted one of these for backcountry use because it's crazy awesome; diesel bike that's near silent and goes like 500 miles on a tank at 90mph or something bizarre
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BlueDiablo posted:By waxing any blecks that came within sixty miles of their AO, naturally. No. The Selous Scouts infiltrated ZIPRA/ZANLA cadres and turned their members over to their side. They would blend with the local population to locate the enemy.
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