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HackerJoeGuy
Apr 18, 2007

teethgrinder posted:

That was my only post in the old thread -- I only found out about the wife and daughter because of the CBC interview with the aunt in Toronto.

Judging from the statement her family released and statements of her neighbors, I would guess that their relationship did not end well and there hasn't been a ton of contact between them for a while.

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Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Deterrence is still at thing, y'know. This isn't an insistence by anyone that there be a 100% rate of success regarding anything. It's about minimizing potential harm.
Also people commit crimes for all sorts of reasons so you need all sorts of different deterrents to stop them, not just one hypothetical perfect one.

Rathina
Jan 8, 2001

C2C - 2.0 posted:

What? How many people are going to be "shackled" if all but the most hobbyist amounts of explosive materials are tracked?

I'm sure shackled isn't the right word...but it's akin to the idea that I have to slide my driver's license through a machine every time I want to buy Sudafed just because people can make Meth out of it.

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright
If you guys continue to regurgitate links, photos, ideas, posts from other sites and discuss them legitimately while then later demonizing those sites for being horrible for containing such content, I'm just going to keep pointing out how incredibly hypocritical you are for it. If some other site posts something horrifically offensive and you repost it here and it gets pages of comments, don't end it with "yeahhhh THAT OTHER site sucks!". If you're contributing to the problem, at least acknowledge it.

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semper wifi
Oct 31, 2007

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Deterrence is still at thing, y'know. This isn't an insistence by anyone that there be a 100% rate of success regarding anything. It's about minimizing potential harm.

millions of people use black powder and smokeless to reload. at this point i think a grand total of three? people have been killed with bombs utilizing it.

there's basically no benefit to restricting it and it causes a lot of people a lot of hassle. no reason to restrict it.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

demonachizer posted:

In three letters:

NRA

It won't be a thing any time soon either as indicated by the expanded background check bill that just died.

It won't be a thing because you're not just pissing off American gun manufacturers and their consumers, you're pissing off Dupont, Dow Chemical, and the Kochs. That's the real big difference.

Also, it wouldn't have mattered because they could have bought shotgun shells from Walmart and poured them out. In fact, that's probably what they did.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Deterrence is still at thing, y'know. This isn't an insistence by anyone that there be a 100% rate of success regarding anything. It's about minimizing potential harm.

There is no minimizing harm. You can't stop the people truly dedicated top doing it. No zealot was ever dissuaded by a background check or limit. There's a case to be made for actual criminals being thwarted, but there is no way to stop guys like this. Look at the weapons already used: guns, box cutters, gas(in Tokyo), our own planes, flammable liquid in your pants, pressure cookers, fertilizer, etc. In a modern age where everything is mostly powered off some sort of combustion or high energy, you're never going to be able to legislate it away.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

demonachizer posted:

Yeah the guy whose asylum app I translated is pretty much hosed at this point. If he goes back to Chechnya he is doubly hosed though.

The whole situation is incredibly depressing. Ramzan Kadyrov, president of Chechnya, is little more than a warlord that acts as a puppet for Moscow. He's lavished with money and in change he acts as a strongman in the state. If you think civil rights are hosed in Russia, just look at Chechnya or any other of Russia's federated states.

Sperg Some More
Nov 11, 2012

Inspector_71 posted:

Somebody was just kind enough to let Shepard Smith know that "my mom loves you!"

Joke's on the mom, Shepard Smith is gay.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010
You people are aware that going into a gun control derail is pretty much the surest way of ruining this thread, right?

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy
Yeah, I'm not going to belabor the point.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Crasscrab posted:

The whole situation is incredibly depressing. Ramzan Kadyrov, president of Chechnya, is little more than a warlord that acts as a puppet for Moscow. He's lavished with money and in change he acts as a strongman in the state. If you think civil rights are hosed in Russia, just look at Chechnya or any other of Russia's federated states.
Even more depressing are photos of what Grozny (Chechen capital) looked like after the last war. Hell, it may look like that still.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Sir John Falstaff posted:

You people are aware that going into a gun control derail is pretty much the surest way of ruining this thread, right?
We should get angerbot to make a Gun Control Derail generator because I'm pretty sure they're mathematically all identical. People can just be all ##GCD and then bam, five pages of randomized posters. Set a flag in your profile to say if you want to argue pro-gun, pro-control, or leave it up to chance. Be punished for your automatically generated post content!

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Inspector_71 posted:

Somebody was just kind enough to let Shepard Smith know that "my mom loves you!"

Didn't know it was possible to love somebody as rat faced as that taint. Learned something new everyday.

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.

demonachizer posted:

Funny thing. I lived in Italy for 3 years and have dual citizenship. All of the Italians I know view American "Italians" in an odd light. It is almost like they are caricatures or something. My sister's husband is Italian and he found the North End of Boston to be somewhat hilarious. He is from Milan though so take it with a grain of salt as the North and South are really different.

I made an A/T thread about this once, it was titled something like "non-Americans, what do you think of your American counterparts?" The general concensus was that anyone from not America did not feel that Americans claiming to be whatever were like. As a white, Spanish sort of speaking person with an Arabic name, I don't blame them.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
I did kind of hope that somewhere in one of these gun battles would be Willem Dafeo screaming "There was a firefight!" and just firing a pistol straight up in the air. And it was funny until the report about cops getting injured started coming in.

bef
Mar 2, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Catastrophe posted:

If you guys continue to regurgitate links, photos, ideas, posts from other sites and discuss them legitimately while then later demonizing those sites for being horrible for containing such content, I'm just going to keep pointing out how incredibly hypocritical you are for it. If some other site posts something horrifically offensive and you repost it here and it gets pages of comments, don't end it with "yeahhhh THAT OTHER site sucks!". If you're contributing to the problem, at least acknowledge it.

Thanks for the morality check.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Crasscrab posted:

Didn't know it was possible to love somebody as rat faced as that taint. Learned something new everyday.

He is, by far, one of the least deplorable Fox News correspondents.

Mr. Grinch
Jul 2, 2007

They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

codenameFANGIO posted:

He is, by far, one of the least deplorable Fox News correspondent.

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy

codenameFANGIO posted:

He is, by far, one of the least deplorable Fox News correspondents.

He is, however, an alumnus of Ole Miss. So there's that.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Nessus posted:

We should get angerbot to make a Gun Control Derail generator because I'm pretty sure they're mathematically all identical. People can just be all ##GCD and then bam, five pages of randomized posters. Set a flag in your profile to say if you want to argue pro-gun, pro-control, or leave it up to chance. Be punished for your automatically generated post content!

Things like this are a bit further on the scale than gun control, though, because of the state of mind involved and the chosen materials. Arguments can be cogently made for both sides to a certain degree on the gun debate, but crafting legislation in response to terrorist attacks has been almost universally bad since 9/11. You essentially have all of these laws and restrictions placed arbitrarily because of the last set of resources terrorists used to attack us. You end up not being able to carry shampoo and strip-searching grandpa and kids in a wheelchair to try and filter it out, and then they just change their tactics and do something like this. Now billions have been spent on what many people would consider overreaching laws in the name of protection, just to have bad things happen again. I'm sorry if it got a little to far into gun control territory because it does overlap. It's not my intention to have that argument here, though.

BONE DOG
Jun 7, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

GreenCard78 posted:

I made an A/T thread about this once, it was titled something like "non-Americans, what do you think of your American counterparts?" The general concensus was that anyone from not America did not feel that Americans claiming to be whatever were like. As a white, Spanish sort of speaking person with an Arabic name, I don't blame them.

It's weird how people apply national / cultural identity to themselves. I'm Italian but I don't like to tell other Italians that I am, because then they won't shut up about it. They wear kappa and like soccer and poo poo and the only Italian words they know are food related. They identify with a culture which isn't particularly Italian or particularly Canadian either. Hell, very few have even been to Italy and if they were to actually travel there, they wouldn't find much of anything relevant to them at all. It's pretty obnoxious actually when people find it so important embrace their ethnicity when it's for the most part irrelevant to their lives and even totally wrong.

Mr. Grinch
Jul 2, 2007

They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.
Shut upppp

goku im piss
Mar 18, 2005

Your mama was a snowblower

codenameFANGIO posted:

He is, by far, one of the least deplorable Fox News correspondents.

Shepard reminds me of the kid who was chosen by popular vote in the Tv Production classes in High School to be the "Serious" news anchor, and ended up with so many language bumbles that we made a clip show of him at the end of the year to celebrate his inability to say the Principal's name correctly.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

codenameFANGIO posted:

He is, by far, one of the least deplorable Fox News correspondents.

Still doesn't change his rat faced taint status.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?


Christ, my facebook friends are retards. :cripes: How can you honestly be politicizing this poo poo right now?

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C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy
Told you it would happen the minute people picked up on the story that this guy & the FBI had a run-in.

Debbie Metallica
Jun 7, 2001

Catastrophe posted:

If you guys continue to regurgitate links, photos, ideas, posts from other sites and discuss them legitimately while then later demonizing those sites for being horrible for containing such content, I'm just going to keep pointing out how incredibly hypocritical you are for it. If some other site posts something horrifically offensive and you repost it here and it gets pages of comments, don't end it with "yeahhhh THAT OTHER site sucks!". If you're contributing to the problem, at least acknowledge it.

Oh, are you back to be a whiny little brat again? What a delight.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Told you it would happen the minute people picked up on the story that this guy & the FBI had a run-in.

It happened with 9/11 too. There were warnings beforehand. There is just only so much people can do without becoming monsters. And even then it's still not a guarantee.

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility

JohnSherman posted:


Christ, my facebook friends are retards. :cripes: How can you honestly be politicizing this poo poo right now?

Scan that person's page and I guarantee you'll find whining about intrusive background checks for firearms.

Actually don't. Watch some kitten cam or something.

Danger Doug
Jul 10, 2007

JohnSherman posted:



Christ, my facebook friends are retards. :cripes: How can you honestly be politicizing this poo poo right now?

Because that's what people do? There were people blaming Bush for crazy poo poo that he had no power over, there will be people blaming Obama for crazy poo poo that he has no power over. The politicization exists on both sides, and should come as no surprise.

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!

Samurai Sanders posted:

Yeah, since it's a concept that only exists inside people's minds, I can understand the confusion.

So race is as real, as genuine as time and timekeeping? ("Human ethnic differances are made up" is something that annoys the poo poo out of me.)

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Anus Dei posted:

Actually don't. Watch some kitten cam or something.

That's actually a really great idea right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxxzGVLwxIQ

BONE DOG
Jun 7, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
It's obvious we need to get background checks for buying improvised explosive devices from a private seller. What's taking you so long Obama?

SaxMaverick
Jun 9, 2005

The stuff of nightmares
Edit: removed my lovely comment

SaxMaverick fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Apr 20, 2013

Awesome Andy
Feb 18, 2007

All the spoils of a wasted life
As someone who stayed up way too late listening to police band I am super pumped they got that guy alive.
The intensity and suspense of 89 dexter was pretty great.

Debbie Metallica
Jun 7, 2001

SaxMaverick posted:

Well, this thread officially devolved faster than tv media did.

Thank you to those who managed updates, the stream and provided helpful information.

Thank you for contributing to better it as a thread. Thanks to everybody, especially YOU, the posters at home reading this post about the post about the posts.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

JohnSherman posted:

Christ, my facebook friends are retards. :cripes: How can you honestly be politicizing this poo poo right now?

Because it's easier than admitting that the world is run by random chance and that every moment of every day you are theoretically at risk from something on a variably sliding scale of odds no matter what you or anyone else does. Between a placebo and the existential dread of life, most everyone will op for the sugar pill and find someone to paint a blame target on.

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
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Let's honor the biggest hero: the guy who checked his boat and made the capture possible in the first place.

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ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Radbot posted:

Let's honor the biggest hero: the guy who checked his boat and made the capture possible in the first place.

Without getting shot in the face!

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