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Yonic Symbolism posted:I kind of like how shsl dancer is just a smelly little rear end in a top hat who's constantly pushing everyones buttons for the hell of it. Didn't like her at first, especially with her intro, but every cast needs a good rear end in a top hat. I definitely like her better than shsl serial killer, who was just creepy and stupid. I like that her rationale for not bathing was that she couldn't tie her obi herself. Rather than tying it in a way that she could handle on her own, or eschewing the obi, or getting some clothes appropriate for crawling around in the sand on her hands and knees and murdering small animals, she just decided to never remove the obi and consequently never bathe. Apparently the last time she got dressed was the same morning that she arrived at Hope's Peak Academy.
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Tomn posted:Personally, I thought he was saying that the existence of the social message was true, not the message itself. That is, that society has a tendency to say that anyone who fails to work hard or succeed is pretty much entirely worthless, which as far as I can tell is a pretty widely-held belief in East Asian societies. That's how I read it, though America has that same narrative too. If you want proof, read what the Internet has to say about pretty much anything relating to poor people ever. Armanky posted:Actually, I feel like Saionji's basically just an internet troll. Like, she says things just for the sake of pissing people off, even if she doesn't feel that way or care enough to actually feel one way or the other. I agree. But I guess she's latched on to Koizumi now? Maybe it's a ploy to try to protect herself? (That or the humid house of lilies is about to turn into the humid house of higanbana.  )
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Tomn posted:Personally, I thought he was saying that the existence of the social message was true, not the message itself. That is, that society has a tendency to say that anyone who fails to work hard or succeed is pretty much entirely worthless, which as far as I can tell is a pretty widely-held belief in East Asian societies. Okay, yeah, let me make clear that I don't AGREE with that line of thinking, I just think it's sadly pretty prevalent. And yeah, I was referring to the US, which is where I live, although I'm sure it's undoubtedly prevalent in East Asia as well. Pittsburgh Lambic posted:I like that her rationale for not bathing was that she couldn't tie her obi herself. Rather than tying it in a way that she could handle on her own, or eschewing the obi, or getting some clothes appropriate for crawling around in the sand on her hands and knees and murdering small animals, she just decided to never remove the obi and consequently never bathe. Apparently the last time she got dressed was the same morning that she arrived at Hope's Peak Academy. Hey, she's Super High School Level. You gotta take your talent seriously, man. Sporkaganza fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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Sporkaganza posted:Okay, yeah, let me make clear that I don't AGREE with that line of thinking, I just think it's sadly pretty prevalent. And yeah, I was referring to the US, which is where I live, although I'm sure it's undoubtedly prevalent in East Asia as well. If he actually survives this game, Dangan Ronpa 3 should be about some new propoganda of hope for post-Junko society: just lock Komaeda in with SHSL Libertarian, SHSL Bootstraps, SHSL Young Republican, etc. and see what happens!
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:I like that her rationale for not bathing was that she couldn't tie her obi herself. Rather than tying it in a way that she could handle on her own, or eschewing the obi, or getting some clothes appropriate for crawling around in the sand on her hands and knees and murdering small animals, she just decided to never remove the obi and consequently never bathe. Apparently the last time she got dressed was the same morning that she arrived at Hope's Peak Academy. I find Saionji's reaction to Koizumi's offer of help... interesting. She's positively ecstatic. There's no trace of embarrassment remaining, which makes me think it wasn't there in the first place. She wasn't ashamed to ask, she was afraid to ask. Afraid of what? Did she think nobody would help her? I'm thinking Saionji and Tsumiki might have a lot in common. One pushes people away with rudeness, the other cowers behind apologies, but they've both got serious self-esteem issues.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:Apparently the last time she got dressed was the same morning that she arrived at Hope's Peak Academy.  YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG! Maybe. Since they were told they had a mindwipe they could have spent time at the school prior to being escorted to
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A few comments about issues that came up. No quotes because I'm lazy. Irasshaimase: My reasoning is that while not completely international yet, this word is known to much of the urban western world these days as "that thing they shout at you when you enter a Japanese restaurant". Also, this is Ibuki speaking, and it felt much better to leave it in. Soapies: Originally araikko, a childish term that means, yes, soaping each other while taking a shared bath. As far as I can tell, it's a word that's used in exactly two cases. The first is for parents sharing a bathtub with their small children (as is customary in Japan). The second is for straight-up porn. There isn't really an equivalent term in English, so we made up one. Chibimi: I haven't forgotten about our tamagotchi pet, and I won't let her die again. Look for updates on her soon. Gundam: Gundam's "He was the weakest of the Four Great Demons" comes from the "Swordmaster Yamato" chapter of Gyagu Manga Biyori, which is most definitely worth a read or a watch (it's episode 6 of the anime adaptation's second season - these are 5 minute episodes we're talking about, so not much of a time commitment). If you do watch it, pay close attention to the last few seconds or you'll miss the reference. The phrase became a minor meme on the Japanese internet and is quoted in any situation something is defeated much more easily than it should be.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:I like that her rationale for not bathing was that she couldn't tie her obi herself. Rather than tying it in a way that she could handle on her own, or eschewing the obi, or getting some clothes appropriate for crawling around in the sand on her hands and knees and murdering small animals, she just decided to never remove the obi and consequently never bathe. Apparently the last time she got dressed was the same morning that she arrived at Hope's Peak Academy. Well, it does make a certain amount of sense, given her character - after all, it's exactly the sort of thing a small child might do. Frankly, between the whole not bathing thing, and her immediately breaking down in tears when called out on it, Saionji's coming across as less of a potential murderer, and more as someone who's just... weirdly pathetic.
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Apr 29, 2013 06:04
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orenronen posted:Soapies: Originally araikko, a childish term that means, yes, soaping each other while taking a shared bath. So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then! 
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sweetguts posted:So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then! This is exactly what I envisioned, to be honest. Soapies!  Also, I have a feeling not only will Hiyoko be important in this chapter, but maybe Nidai and Souda? Maybe. First updates might not tell us much.
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orenronen posted:Gundam: Gundam's "He was the weakest of the Four Great Demons" comes from the "Swordmaster Yamato" chapter of Gyagu Manga Biyori, which is most definitely worth a read or a watch (it's episode 6 of the anime adaptation's second season - these are 5 minute episodes we're talking about, so not much of a time commitment). If you do watch it, pay close attention to the last few seconds or you'll miss the reference. The phrase became a minor meme on the Japanese internet and is quoted in any situation something is defeated much more easily than it should be. The official English name is Gag Manga Biyori, and it is a good laugh. Go watch it on Youtube or something.
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Something is kind of bugging me about the translation in the last update, the "humid House of Lilies" line, I am curious what is was in Japanese. Did it directly translate into Lily Tribe or something similar? If so, it was a dig at lesbianism, due to the line SHSL classical Japanese dancer girl, delivered about kissing. it just strikes me that you went a bit too straight laced on a translation that could have been given a bit of flavor.
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Going through this update again, I found this line:orenronen posted:
I'm now hoping there's actually an alternate game mode where Usami decides she's had enough of Monobear's crap and gives him the boot or something.
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You? Obliterate? One of those things?! How the helld you pull that off?!
That story is better told in a different game mode, but the upshot of it all is, the bridge gate is now open!
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numerrik posted:Something is kind of bugging me about the translation in the last update, the "humid House of Lilies" line, I am curious what is was in Japanese. Did it directly translate into Lily Tribe or something similar? If so, it was a dig at lesbianism, due to the line SHSL classical Japanese dancer girl, delivered about kissing. it just strikes me that you went a bit too straight laced on a translation that could have been given a bit of flavor. I couldn't tell you where it comes from, but I've seen/read translated Japanese works using "lilly" as a term for lesbianism before. Without knowing the origin of the term, it certainly seems weird, but I guess that's other languages in a nutshell.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm now hoping there's actually an alternate game mode where Usami decides she's had enough of Monobear's crap and gives him the boot or something. Well, we know from the New Game screen that there are at least 4 things in question marks, so it's... certainly possible. There might be a game mode with Monomi as the protagonist once we beat the game. Unless the options turn out to be something like "Monobear Vending Machine", "Monogotchi", and... who knows what else.
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kirbysuperstar posted:I couldn't tell you where it comes from, but I've seen/read translated Japanese works using "lilly" as a term for lesbianism before. Without knowing the origin of the term, it certainly seems weird, but I guess that's other languages in a nutshell. It's symbolic/mythological in origin if I remember right, Japanese folklore talks about Yuri and Yaoi, which respectively involve boy love and girl love, homosexuality basically. Yuri is the Lily Tribe, Yaoi i believe is the Rose Tribe.
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Pretty sure the lilies = lesbians thing comes from the word "yuri" also meaning "lily" in Japanese. Homonyms!sweetguts posted:So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then!
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sweetguts posted:So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then! I really can't wait for all your future thread contributions, because I know they''re gonna be great.
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numerrik posted:It's symbolic/mythological in origin if I remember right, Japanese folklore talks about Yuri and Yaoi, which respectively involve boy love and girl love, homosexuality basically. Yuri is the Lily Tribe, Yaoi i believe is the Rose Tribe. Well, that'd certainly explain the use of roses in, for lack of a better term, yaoi-ish situations in anime and stuff.
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numerrik posted:It's symbolic/mythological in origin if I remember right, Japanese folklore talks about Yuri and Yaoi, which respectively involve boy love and girl love, homosexuality basically. Yuri is the Lily Tribe, Yaoi i believe is the Rose Tribe. If by folklore you mean the 70s, and by tribes you mean magazines, then yes, it does. Except for the fact that rose is "bara." wikipedia posted:The word yuri (百合?) literally means "lily", and is a relatively common Japanese feminine name.[4] In 1976, Bungaku Itō, editor of Barazoku (薔薇族?, lit. rose tribe), a magazine geared primarily towards gay men, first used the term yurizoku (百合族?, lit. lily tribe) in reference to female readers in the title of a column of letters called Yurizoku no heya (百合族の部屋?, lit. lily tribe's room).[14] It is unclear whether this was the first instance of this usage of the term. Not all women whose letters appeared in this short-lived column were necessarily lesbians, but some were and gradually an association developed. For example, the tanbi magazine Allan (アラン Aran?) began running a Yuri Tsūshin (百合通信?, "Lily Communication") personal ad column in July 1983 for "lesbiennes" to communicate.[15] Along the way, many dōjinshi circles incorporated the name "Yuri" or "Yuriko" into lesbian-themed hentai (pornographic) dōjinshi, and the "zoku" or "tribe" portion of this word was subsequently dropped.[6] Since then, the meaning has drifted from its mostly pornographic connotation to describe the portrayal of intimate love, sex, or the intimate emotional connections between women.[16] Like, maybe I missed some aspect of that when studying Japanese mythology, but I'm pretty sure that's a recent thing. sweetguts posted:So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then! That's adorable.
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sweetguts posted:So making soap beards and unicorn horns it is then! thats really cute you perfect human being thank you for making this (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Crepuscule Adepte posted:Well, we know from the New Game screen that there are at least 4 things in question marks, so it's... certainly possible. There might be a game mode with Monomi as the protagonist once we beat the game. I can only hope for a fighting game where you play as Monomi bustin' bots, titled MonoKombat. For a split second, the Chapter title and intro had me worried Souda killed Nagito via coconut. Since he has mentioned that potential murder weapon last chapter
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So what I am taking away from this is without a Yamada or Fukawa to be creepy, and with the ero ryorinin* dead, it falls on Ibuki to make inappropriate comments on the other character's sexual activity. *Translators Note: Ero mean perverted Ryorinin means cook ... Keikaku means plan (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Irasshaimase! Welcome to the humid house of lillies!
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numerrik posted:It's symbolic/mythological in origin if I remember right, Japanese folklore talks about Yuri and Yaoi, which respectively involve boy love and girl love, homosexuality basically. Yuri is the Lily Tribe, Yaoi i believe is the Rose Tribe. The word you're looking for is "bara." Yaoi has absolutely no mythological origin at all. It's an acronym for a phrase that basically meant that yaoi had no real point except dudesex. Bara is another genre of gay porn altogether. Edit: Also, I've never heard about this tribe poo poo in any Japanese folklore I've ever read, and I've read a lot. Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Going through this update again, I found this line: It's probably Minimi. Minimi died again, didn't she. 
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Why does this need clarification didn't Oronen already do a cultural notes on this in the last thread ?quote:
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Actually, I shouldnt say that. But Im not very knowledgable those roses or lilies...
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Going through this update again, I found this line: I envision it as Metal Gear Usami: Revengeance.
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Krinkle posted:Why does this need clarification didn't Oronen already do a cultural notes on this in the last thread ? Because that was seriously almost two years ago and not all of us retain Japanese trivia? I mean, I got the insinuation, but not that there was an exact definition and explanation.
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Sorry I forgot. I thought it happened during the bath houses, and I read the entire thing straight through just a few months back. I forgot it wouldn't be like that for people who read from the beginning.
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Torino posted:(Also I don't know if that new DR manga was still planned to be translated, but I've been reading it as it comes out (chapter 2 was released the other day) and its kind of spectacularly awful in a 'who hired this artist' kind of way; everyone has gigantic heads and tiny deformed hands and the artist seems to lack creativity for the most part, opting to badly ape the game screenshots instead of try to add their own flair to key scenes. It's fun to laugh at though, if you like laughing at bad artwork.) Got a link or example? I love laughing at bad art  (I'm also assuming it's for the first game and not this one)
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Got a link or example? I love laughing at bad art I'm guessing this is it? And yeah, it does look kind of... well, the 'deviantart ronpa' tag is more than appropriate. (Monobear in a bathrobe with a wine glass is pretty hilarious in a way, though.)
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Krinkle posted:Why does this need clarification didn't Oronen already do a cultural notes on this in the last thread ? That's wrong, though. Yaoi is gay porn written by and for women. Bara is gay porn written by and for gay men. 
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I envision it as Metal Gear Usami: Revengeance. "Why won't you accept fwiendship!?" "Monobeasts, son." Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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I never new the Bara thing, that makes the Shadow Kanji fight in Persona 4 make loads more visual sense. A teenage boy's naked torso poking out of the centre of a bouquet of roses that is embedded in the chest of a large burly man who wields to Mars symbols as weapons. Flanked by two burly minions called 'Nice Guy' and 'Tough Guy'
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BioEnchanted posted:I never new the Bara thing, that makes the Shadow Kanji fight in Persona 4 make loads more visual sense. You needed cultural background to make that imagery make sense?
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I'm a little disappointed that they haven't visibly handled the Komaeda issue yet. I mean yeah it looks like Souda and Nidai might've kidnapped him, but you would think immediately after what had happened they'd neutralize him somehow while they worked on an actual method of containment for him as a group. I can see this ending up backfiring horribly.
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Fantastisk posted:That's wrong, though. Yaoi is gay porn written by and for women. Bara is gay porn written by and for gay men. My understanding was that bara seems to be more 'masculine' men, and yaoi seems to be more 'prettyboys'. It just seems to tend to a certain set of people who write them. Probably because there seem to be a larger portion of women who like the pretty boys and vice versa for the gay men and 'beefcake', but there are always exceptions.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:You needed cultural background to make that imagery make sense? No, it was just the roses themselves. I thought it was just a generic 'Gay so feminine things' item, but it was actually referring to a specific Gay Porn mag.
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