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holocaust bloopers posted:7 crew members and cargo. Word is that the pilots were reporting that the cargo shifted. I don't see any other way they could get the nose up that high that soon after take off without something heavy sliding to the rear. Just terrible.
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Snowdens Secret posted:There anything you can do at that point or is the trim too hosed? Shift fuel, anything? The short of it is, no. Once the CG gets to the point where the aircraft literally stands on its tail that close to the ground, you're hosed. You need two things to safely recover an emergency aircraft--airspeed and altitude. You can trade one for the other. Problem is, during takeoff, you can't just nose over to gain airspeed what with being so close to the ground. Takeoff data is predicated on a loss of engine so if the guy were in a 3-engine scenario, they'd be fine. Boeing assures you of that when the data checks out. It doesn't take in account of a massive load shifting. If this was proven to be the cause, these guys had no chance to recover that close to terrain. One more thing comes to mind - there is now an unsecured load sliding backwards in a pitch up so when you nose over, the load is going to move forward causing yet another dramatic change in cg. 
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holocaust bloopers posted:
Just what I needed to see right before I book my R&R flight from LNK. 
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holocaust bloopers posted:7 crew members and cargo. Word is that the pilots were reporting that the cargo shifted. Five of them were from Michigan (used to run out of Willow Run), got a beer with those guys every now and then.
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Apr 30, 2013 20:33
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It's just terrifying to even watch. The way it just stops still in the air. Do they always just burst into flames instantly like that?
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Apr 30, 2013 20:34
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Christoff posted:It's just terrifying to even watch. The way it just stops still in the air. When you're loaded with 100K+ of JP-8, yea.
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Apr 30, 2013 20:42
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Apr 30, 2013 20:54
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Neat post over in TFR:Detective Thompson posted:Click 'em for big 'em.
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Apr 30, 2013 21:14
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I see those and I can't help think of the man hours consumed and liberty delayed while some rear end up in a watch tower shouts for people to scooch over just a little
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Apr 30, 2013 21:18
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I can almost feel the hate flowing towards the camera taking the picture and by extension me, the viewer.
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Apr 30, 2013 21:24
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It's not like they had anything better to do, fuckers didn't even have tv. Think about that.
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Apr 30, 2013 21:49
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Snowdens Secret posted:I see those and I can't help think of the man hours consumed and liberty delayed while some rear end up in a watch tower shouts for people to scooch over just a little Could have marked the places in adv- hahaha who am I kidding.
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Apr 30, 2013 21:51
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Hearts and minds.
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OBi posted:I can almost feel the hate flowing towards the camera taking the picture and by extension me, the viewer. Someone in the back could easily have flipped off the camera and no one could tell.
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Apr 30, 2013 22:43
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Is that heroic warfighter on the right wearing a PACA? I wish I could just wear cool low-speed body armor instead of a godawful interceptor 
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Apr 30, 2013 22:45
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holocaust bloopers posted:When you're loaded with 100K+ of JP-8, yea. I fly a T6 that carries 1k lbs of jp5. I just can't imagine 100k lbs of fuel. So I'm guessing shift load that forced into a stalled aoa and kept it there?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:It's not like they had anything better to do, fuckers didn't even have tv. Think about that. I dunno sometimes I think drinking and playing cards is a way better way to spend downtime
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Bob A Feet posted:I fly a T6 that carries 1k lbs of jp5. I just can't imagine 100k lbs of fuel. So I'm guessing shift load that forced into a stalled aoa and kept it there? If it was a load shift, the cargo slid backwards at rotation which got the jet to stand on its tail into a stall then when the jet nosed over, the load shifted forward which pretty much just sealed their fate right there.
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The cargo could've slid right back into position and locked itself back in, I don't think they were recovering when their altitude peaked at like 1200 feet...even if they controlled it to a nose-down attitude they didn't have the time to build up enough speed to do a drat thing.
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Any recognise this piece of kit captured by the opposition in Syria? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5LSI4wtbO8
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No, but one of the related videos has a continuation. Quick Google translation of the description just says rocket launcher and nothing more specific. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so-lTpKBA-0
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:No, but one of the related videos has a continuation. Quick Google translation of the description just says rocket launcher and nothing more specific. Some kind of russian or chineese MRLS?
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Dear Aviation wings of other branches, the USMC are still flying this:  and this:  And we're still better than you. Thanks all the same but I think we have rotary wing covered. Oh having a few of these:  And these:  Probably doesn't hurt either. WP CURES PALESTINE fucked around with this message at 01:00 on May 1, 2013 |
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What's on the hardpoint of the Harrier's right wing, next to the external fuel tank?
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:What's on the hardpoint of the Harrier's right wing, next to the external fuel tank? I believe it's a LITENING targeting pod, but I could be wrong. Basicly FLIR.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:What's on the hardpoint of the Harrier's right wing, next to the external fuel tank? And the munition looks to be like a Skipper I'm sure iyaayas will come in and knowledge bomb us. Again.
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holocaust bloopers posted:The short of it is, no. Once the CG gets to the point where the aircraft literally stands on its tail that close to the ground, you're hosed. You need two things to safely recover an emergency aircraft--airspeed and altitude. You can trade one for the other. Problem is, during takeoff, you can't just nose over to gain airspeed what with being so close to the ground. Takeoff data is predicated on a loss of engine so if the guy were in a 3-engine scenario, they'd be fine. Boeing assures you of that when the data checks out. It doesn't take in account of a massive load shifting. If this was proven to be the cause, these guys had no chance to recover that close to terrain. For comparison, here's a C-2 Greyhound that had its cargo slide backwards on a catapult shot. Pretty much the exact same result, and there's nothing at all you can do about it. With that much weight out of position, there's no way to overcome it with the flight controls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlDmMwI9cik
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Those are some real cute planes. Here's what a big swingin' cock of a jet looks like.
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holocaust bloopers posted:Those are some real cute planes. Here's what a big swingin' cock of a jet looks like. You always know when those are flying down at FTIG during drill. No matter where you are on post, the VRRRRT sound lets you know an A-10 is making a gun run. Pretty cool if you can see them during the run, too. Shoot and turn by pairs. EBB fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 1, 2013 |
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3F Rule oughta post stories from his A-10 days. I'd read the poo poo out of them.
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holocaust bloopers posted:The short of it is, no. Once the CG gets to the point where the aircraft literally stands on its tail that close to the ground, you're hosed. You need two things to safely recover an emergency aircraft--airspeed and altitude. You can trade one for the other. Problem is, during takeoff, you can't just nose over to gain airspeed what with being so close to the ground. Takeoff data is predicated on a loss of engine so if the guy were in a 3-engine scenario, they'd be fine. Boeing assures you of that when the data checks out. It doesn't take in account of a massive load shifting. If this was proven to be the cause, these guys had no chance to recover that close to terrain. Not to mention that the initial report was they had a load of heavy vehicles, so if they came unsecured in that regime of flight, as soon as they tumbled over the load could've ended up on the side or the ceiling. There is literally no way to save it in any of those situations. Poor guys. WP CURES PALESTINE posted:I believe it's a LITENING targeting pod, but I could be wrong. Basicly FLIR. You're correct, but FLIR doesn't lase targets. A LITENING pod does.
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USMC just renewed the UH-1 and AH-1 on new platforms too with upgraded everything. I think the only thing that hasn't gotten upgraded may be the 53 and the jets? (lets be real the 35 is never happening)
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Would hug the poo poo out of that radar-dome (but only when its not rotating or radiating)
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Bob A Feet posted:USMC just renewed the UH-1 and AH-1 on new platforms too with upgraded everything. I think the only thing that hasn't gotten upgraded may be the 53 and the jets? (lets be real the 35 is never happening) Who needs 35s when you have f-18s and av8bs
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Note the lack of PDS antennae. Eat a dick, HDI.
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Godholio posted:Note the lack of PDS antennae. Eat a dick, HDI. awacs crew represent y'all
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Godholio posted:Note the lack of PDS antennae. Eat a dick, HDI. This and this is what happens to me when you fuckers get too goddamn AWACS geeky.
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