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ZerodotJander posted:I think that comment from Broussard is pretty alright unless I'm misunderstanding it. I'm reading it as him saying that he thinks homosexuality is wrong, but that he's not going to give you poo poo about living your life, just like you shouldn't give him poo poo for his opinions that he knows people disagree with. "Believe what you want, just don't be an rear end in a top hat about it" sounds like a reasonable thing to preach. I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay, but I think people have the right to feel that there is, as long as they don't go around shouting human being at people and protesting gay marriage. Yeah I gotta agree with this, I don't think anything Broussard said (except for that last sentence which I would disagree with theologically) was really incorrect or out of line.
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Bigots aren't going to go away and we are all prejudiced about something or another, the enemy is discrimination, not prejudice.
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Apr 29, 2013 22:34
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Broussard's statement was civil but it still doesn't change the fact that people like him readily ignore other clearly expressed things in the bible because "times change" but still choose to make an issue of homosexuality.
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I'm a little unclear why it's ok to openly say someone's core being is essentially wrong so long as you cloak it in the shroud of "it's ok because we can all have different opinions." For starters, that belief is the ground from which actively discriminatory laws have grown, laws that have real world ramifications for a segment of the population. This segment does not include the people holding those beliefs. Beyond that, he's just leading into a veiled manner of calling out a way of life with platitudes that are meant to soften the blow of his opinion. Acknowledging one's own discrimination doesn't make it's effects any less awful and calling it out is part of the process of breaking down entrenched societal bigotry.
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Apr 29, 2013 22:41
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I don't watch ESPN or really follow sports news outside of Baseball so I have no idea what Broussard's track record is on stuff like this. If he's not someone who habitually comments on this stuff and just made one statement in response to the media fluff around Jason Collins, I don't think you can reasonably expect more from people than to hold their bigoted beliefs close and not beat other people over the head with them. He also earns some points with me from including pre-marital sex because he's willing to stand up for an unpopular opinion I disagree with, so it feels more like a statement of (poorly thought out) principle instead of just trolling/click baiting. In an ideal world people would move away from tribalism and realize that we are all human beings, in reality I think it's enough for people to shut up about it and not try to keep it part of our normal, institutional prejudices. If this is one more in a long line of bigoted statements dressed up in "everybody is entitled to their own not-so-silent opinion" then gently caress him.
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Apr 29, 2013 22:47
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Here is Chris Broussard on John Amaechi. ESPN knew full well what it would get asking him about this topic. And again, there's a difference between having an unpopular opinion such as "Nickleback is awesome" and having an opinion that has real world legal ramifications that result in people having fewer rights than their fellow citizens solely because they are different.
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Apr 29, 2013 22:54
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haljordan posted:Yeah what took you so long to come out of the closet, Doug Collins you coward? I mean, we all know it's so incredibly easy to be a homosexual in a professional locker room. TOOK YA LONG ENOUGH, rear end in a top hat. To provide context, the author, Josh Barro, is a gay conservative.
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Apr 29, 2013 23:03
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"You have the right to acknowledge everyone's beliefs...but you don't have to "RESPECT" that person's beliefs". -Patton Oswalt. It just gets old that people rush out to defend comments like this, and those that were said by the Chick-fil-a pres. Why should I respect a bigoted comment?
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Capt Murphy posted:Here is Chris Broussard on John Amaechi. ESPN knew full well what it would get asking him about this topic. That's a pretty tenuous argument to make. You can have an opinion without it leading to draconian legal policies. For example, as a Christian I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I am all for the legal recognition of same-sex, monogamous couples, and think they should have all the same legal rights my wife and I have.
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I'm sure Broussard gets on his soapbox every time a player has sex with a woman who isn't his wife. What a joke. It's not ok to say you don't "agree" with homosexuality. It's a thing that exists. It's a way people are. It's not a "lifestyle," and to say it is reveals a really deep ignorance.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:That's a pretty tenuous argument to make. You can have an opinion without it leading to draconian legal policies. For example, as a Christian I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I am all for the legal recognition of same-sex, monogamous couples, and think they should have all the same legal rights my wife and I have. I think there's a lot to unpack here that would be better suited for a chat over a beer or coffee if that's your style. I do think that's an opinion not shared by many and one that needs louder proponents. However, Broussard makes it clear in the article he's against same-sex marriage, and that sort of thinking is the bulwark for a lot of discriminatory legislation or lack-of-legislation. It's really not a tenuous argument because it exists and can be pointed to (Prop 8 for starters).
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ManifunkDestiny posted:That's a pretty tenuous argument to make. You can have an opinion without it leading to draconian legal policies. For example, as a Christian I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but I am all for the legal recognition of same-sex, monogamous couples, and think they should have all the same legal rights my wife and I have. But they can't call it marriage, right?
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Capt Murphy posted:I'm a little unclear why it's ok to openly say someone's core being is essentially wrong so long as you cloak it in the shroud of "it's ok because we can all have different opinions." For starters, that belief is the ground from which actively discriminatory laws have grown, laws that have real world ramifications for a segment of the population. This segment does not include the people holding those beliefs. Beyond that, he's just leading into a veiled manner of calling out a way of life with platitudes that are meant to soften the blow of his opinion. Acknowledging one's own discrimination doesn't make it's effects any less awful and calling it out is part of the process of breaking down entrenched societal bigotry. You can't argue with emotions. This is the core problem with any civil rights issue. Parsing out what's fair from what's right/wrong is where civil rights eventually gains ground. And then, after a few generations (most times), we have mass acceptance with a few radical outsiders and subtle critical racism/sexism/homophobia in culture. We'll probably have to deal with transgender and Islamic/immigrant issues for the rest of our lives. FuzzySkinner posted:"You have the right to acknowledge everyone's beliefs...but you don't have to "RESPECT" that person's beliefs". i saw this being used to defend hatred of muslims the other day, what a world we live in. e: as in literally, the guy was telling some parable of respecting other religions and then a Muslim terrorist popped out of nowhere with a gun and said "i must kill the infidels" and then used that Patton Oswalt quote. The broken bones fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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Broussard lives by a book written when people were even dumber than they are today so I guess what he said wasn't too terrible.
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I think Tim Brando wins for weirdest take by a major media figure: Edit: Eep. 
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Apr 30, 2013 00:21
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As a Christian white male over 50, I
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morestuff posted:Edit: Eep. He's not wrong, except for the part where it's sad.
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You don't know how hard things can be for an old rich white guy.
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Jesus Christ Tim Brando "Sure some guy broke a major sports barrier but how can I make this about my struggle as Just Some Guy..."
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Tim Brando is a giant loving rear end in a top hat and his daughter sucks too. A while back she made some passive aggressive comment about people who don't have jobs and got really whiny and defensive when people pointed out that her she was gift wrapped a job screening calls for her daddy's show.
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SB Nation has been hitting it out of the park with their longform articles. Here's the latest one on the Trufant family http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/4/30/4281884/desmond-marcus-trufant-profile-nfl-seahawks-falcons
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This is the best SB Nation article of all time and Jon Bois is a wonderful human being who brings me great joy http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/1/4282368/tim-tebow-cfl
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FairGame posted:This is the best SB Nation article of all time and Jon Bois is a wonderful human being who brings me great joy Well that was fantastic.
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So, about this SEC Network business. Is it incorrect to assume that some ethical problems could arise by the fact that the largest voice in sports media, has officially partnered up with a conference such as the SEC? I ask because it feels a little different than the Big Ten's relationship with Newscorp, and the PAC 12's network. ESPN with access to the bullhorn, rights to major bowl games, and the playoff could makes me feel a little uneasy as a fan of a mid-major and major conference that is not the SEC. Not to mention there is a potential problem in the way they could handle a scandal featuring an SEC team. It sure was easy to throw Ohio State under the bus (whether you believe it was correct in doing so, is subject to opinion), but lets say Alabama is within a similar predicament. Are we going to see the Mark May's of the world rock the boat on a team that brings revenue and viewers to the network? One that they have an official partnership with?
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FuzzySkinner posted:Not to mention there is a potential problem in the way they could handle a scandal featuring an SEC team. It sure was easy to throw Ohio State under the bus (whether you believe it was correct in doing so, is subject to opinion), but lets say Alabama is within a similar predicament. Are we going to see the Mark May's of the world rock the boat on a team that brings revenue and viewers to the network? One that they have an official partnership with? If a story is big enough, it'll be reported on. ESPN has partnerships with every league they air and that hasn't stopped them from reporting on steroids in baseball, concussions in football, etc. That's not to say they don't have conflicts of interest, because they do, and in a big way. But even then, there are enough stellar news organizations out there that you don't have to rely on ESPN to break stories and report on them thoroughly.
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FairGame posted:This is the best SB Nation article of all time and Jon Bois is a wonderful human being who brings me great joy quote:...Maybe all of these players were destined for the D.L. eventually. I can't sit here and tell you that players are more likely to get hurt as the game pushes on past midnight. But would you be surprised to find that it's true? As a group, baseball players are incredibly well-conditioned, but they're not really programmed to essentially play two straight games without a break in between. They're also not used to playing well -- and staying healthy -- at 1 in the morning. That part in the bold was very impressive...
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Frank Isola from the NY Daily News talks about how the Knicks' front office hates him: http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919
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It's a neat piece and I'm not shocked at all by how scummy the Knicks FO is, but did it really need to acknowledge the ambient music? That's an odd writing style that doesn't really add much to the piece. He's a regular guy who likes adult contemporary?
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The only person who doesn't hate Frank Isola is Frank Isola as far as I can tell.
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leokitty posted:The only person who doesn't hate Frank Isola is Frank Isola as far as I can tell. He made a really bad joke on Twitter one day and I replied with a Statler and Waldorf photo and he sent me a private message that said "Peace out you wannabe New Yorker" and then blocked me.
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FairGame posted:This is the best SB Nation article of all time and Jon Bois is a wonderful human being who brings me great joy Cannot be underemphasized how great this piece is. I lost my poo poo at: quote:Our offensive line was halfway lined up when the Stampeders' defensive end -- Keenan McCardell, if you believe me, reader -- took his hands off his knees and stood upright. "We gotta meet."
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FuzzySkinner posted:ESPN with access to the bullhorn, rights to major bowl games, and the playoff could makes me feel a little uneasy as a fan of a mid-major and major conference that is not the SEC. I've already felt this way for years. Its already directly affected the national championship game. Remember when #1 Ohio State #2 Michigan was going to ruin football forever, but then an SEC rematch was the greatest thing in the history of ever? Big Ten had already aligned itself with Fox by then.
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Here's a spotlight on a bad Jason Collins piece: http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/heres_the_most_ignorant_jason_collins_column_ever/
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Sash! posted:I've already felt this way for years. Its already directly affected the national championship game. Remember when #1 Ohio State #2 Michigan was going to ruin football forever, but then an SEC rematch was the greatest thing in the history of ever? Big Ten had already aligned itself with Fox by then. It's very much why I'm cheering on the new Fox Sports 1, NBC Sports and CBS Sports to push ESPN into a decreased influence in the world of sports. Within the world of Pro Sports it could be argued that they're relatively kept in check via the Commissioners of each respective sport. The NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB could all survive and thrive without that network. They could easily brush off any sort of criticism a Mark May type could lob at them as well. Collegiate Sports? Different story. I honestly feel the way ESPN covered the Tattoogate scandal led to the sanctions that were pushed against them by the NCAA. They sicked Mark May (a man that is not even loving qualified to discuss the making of a ham sandwich, let alone COLLEGIATE SPORTS) on them, gave him air time and offered no air time on the countering view point. In comparison I noticed that went extremely soft on Auburn during the whole scandal related to Cam Newton.
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Badfinger posted:He's not wrong, except for the part where it's sad. I'm pretty sure my reaction was some combination of Praise Jesus/We Have Arrived/God, I Wish It Was So
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Vertical Lime posted:Here's a spotlight on a bad Jason Collins piece: wow. I actually was slated to interview for a job at that paper a few years ago but cancelled when I took a different position elsewhere. Reading this, I'm glad I never made the trek to Mattoon, Illinois. ultimately not surprised someone would write a poo poo column like that about the Collins situation, though.
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FairGame posted:This is the best SB Nation article of all time and Jon Bois is a wonderful human being who brings me great joy Ahaha I'm not sure if this is reportage or a new entry into the genre I'll call 'CFL scifi'. And I'm from Canada.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Collegiate Sports? Different story. I honestly feel the way ESPN covered the Tattoogate scandal led to the sanctions that were pushed against them by the NCAA. They sicked Mark May (a man that is not even loving qualified to discuss the making of a ham sandwich, let alone COLLEGIATE SPORTS) on them, gave him air time and offered no air time on the countering view point. In comparison I noticed that went extremely soft on Auburn during the whole scandal related to Cam Newton. The whole Mike Leach/Craig James seems to fit in pretty well here too.
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