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Attention people complaining about your shifting problems:  Devyl posted:Someone will probably get gifted this in AI:SS this year. There's no probably about it.
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Im currently looking at 03-04 mustangs in my area and although there are quite a few GTs theyre mostly automatics. Would anyone in this thread ever recommend going that route? Automatic, I mean. Ive always driven an automatic, but now that I have a decent job I have the benefit of shopping around a bit more and Ive always wanted to drive a stick. Given limited options would you guys rather drive an auto GT/V8 or a manual base/V6? Im hoping if I wait long enough a perfect example will pop up. edit: actually I found out my cutlass supreme is more powerful than the base model by about 15hp so I dont think Ill be looking at V6s anymore, wait for a GT it is! Cage fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 12, 2013 |
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Cage posted:Im currently looking at 03-04 mustangs in my area and although there are quite a few GTs theyre mostly automatics. Would anyone in this thread ever recommend going that route? Automatic, I mean. Ive always driven an automatic, but now that I have a decent job I have the benefit of shopping around a bit more and Ive always wanted to drive a stick. Brace for thread melt down once phil reads this^ Ive never driven the automatic. Its probably absolute poo poo. The only reason to get an automatic in an 03-04 mustang is if youre taking it to the drag strip all the time and want the best times in a straight line. If you want the car to be much more fun to drive then buy a manual. If we were talking about VW GTi with DSG vs 6 speed then this would be a different discussion.. but the automatic in a 03-04 is probably a piece of garbage when it comes to knowing what gear to be in for spirited driving. What is your area btw?
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Okay, thats good news actually because with so many autos on craigslist Ive been tempted to just go pick one up. Ill hold out for a stick GT. The general consensus for that is "If youre gonna buy a mustang why get the V6?", right? I live in Buffalo, NY. Yes Ill be buying dedicated snow tires.
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Cage posted:Okay, thats good news actually because with so many autos on craigslist Ive been tempted to just go pick one up. Ill hold out for a stick GT. The general consensus for that is "If youre gonna buy a mustang why get the V6?", right? Definitely pre-'10, same goes for manual vs. auto aside from the aforementioned 1/4 mile times.
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What is the general feeling of the sport shift mode on the new automatics? I think it's pretty cool but definitely not a real manual.
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Fucknag posted:Definitely pre-'10, same goes for manual vs. auto aside from the aforementioned 1/4 mile times. 
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I got a automatic GT before I met my wife (who taught me stick in her civic.) If you get an auto there are some things you can do to improve your automatic. 1st get a tune, you can improve shift times. That will improve your shifting from 1 gear to the next with out delay and shifting can get bumpy depending on how hard you hit the gas. Then you can get a torque converter set for a different stall so the power from the engine to the wheels is improved. You can do a J-mod, that is basically drilling holes in a gasket in your transmission so the fluids can reach different parts to improve shift time. you can also add a couple of springs in there that also help out with the more physcial demands of shifting gears. One mod I did was to purchase a ratchet shifter, it will allow you to shift your automatic with upshifts and downshifts. This causes massive heat buildup and stress in the transmission so you will need to purchase a radiator for your transmission to keep it cool. This youtube video shows a hammer shifter in question. I basically copied some of this guys setup and the car does feel alot better. video 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8HluOwkOa8 video 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0htlF2pTb5s Video 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAtmpxzL7Qw I know this is not a stick vehicle, but one major bonus for this setup is that no one will know how to put your car in gear to drive off. When I take my car to emissions I have to drive the car in, the worker does not know how to get my car in gear and eventually gives up. If I go to have any fluids changed because I am too lazy to do it myself, those guys can't get the car on the lift! If someone does manage to put the car in gear, they cant put the car back into park. its A Win/Win for me!
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kalvick posted:I got a automatic GT before I met my wife (who taught me stick in her civic.) Interesting, great for launches but there was still a huge delay when he was upshifting or down shifting. Also is it really that hard for that guy to put some sort of shoes on if he knows hes shooting a video?
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coolskillrex remix posted:Interesting, great for launches but there was still a huge delay when he was upshifting or down shifting. He drives barefoot for ~~ultimate drving feel~~
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That delay between shifting is awful. Is there anything that can be done to make shifting instantaneous?
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I've been banned too many times to fall into this trap again!
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oRenj9 posted:That delay between shifting is awful. Is there anything that can be done to make shifting instantaneous? Well everything I mentioned is really all you can do with an automatic. If you want to have an auto with instantaneous shifting you have to look at a dual clutch / sequential shifter setup, Like a Ferrari or F1 car. or you could try this out.... http://www.tciauto.com/tc/shifters/paddle.html not really a fix but I kinda think its cool. Other people vehemently disagree that is should not be in a Mustang. the price was the only thing turning me off from even trying this out.
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It took me FOREVER to find a GT in manual and I paid $500 as a premium in the end to get one. The T5 sure is the grindiest transmission I've ever had, that's for sure.
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ultimateforce posted:It took me FOREVER to find a GT in manual and I paid $500 as a premium in the end to get one. The T5 sure is the grindiest transmission I've ever had, that's for sure. Get some good synthetic gear oil up in there. It was like a night and day difference when I had the fluids changed in my '00 GT. Cage posted:Im currently looking at 03-04 mustangs in my area and although there are quite a few GTs theyre mostly automatics. Would anyone in this thread ever recommend going that route? Automatic, I mean. Ive always driven an automatic, but now that I have a decent job I have the benefit of shopping around a bit more and Ive always wanted to drive a stick. As far as MT vs. AT - if you're asking, you want a MT. If you don't give a gently caress, get that AT. But never get a pre-'10 V6. Reality check: you probably won't be shifting the manual much faster than the auto can - at least with mine I have to wait for my syncros to spin up or the revs to drop when I shift so it's all sort of an at-the-car's-pace affair. The gears are massive. If you rush it, it'll clunk and grind. But it's not really a car you should be banging through the gears really fast with - it's big, lazy, highway cruising boat. My MT GT coupe was the cheapest, lowest-mile V8 Mustang out there when I was shopping... but it's a limited edition who-would-buy-this gold.
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FYI, pre-'11 is what some of you folks mean, not pre-'10. The 2010 got the new body style, but it has the same old v6 and v8 as the '05-'10. People who bought 2010 Mustangs got screwed pretty bad.
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clutchpuck posted:Reality check: you probably won't be shifting the manual much faster than the auto can - at least with mine I have to wait for my syncros to spin up or the revs to drop when I shift so it's all sort of an at-the-car's-pace affair. The gears are massive. If you rush it, it'll clunk and grind. But it's not really a car you should be banging through the gears really fast with - it's big, lazy, highway cruising boat. What the hell are you talking about? If you're making the transmission rev-match for you, no wonder you can't shift quickly. The SN-95 isn't amazingly fast by any means, but "big, lazy, highway cruising boat" is ridiculous. My stock '98 still pulls 0-60 times of between 6 and 7 seconds, has enough power to break the rear tires loose in most situations, and weighs 3227 lbs. It is loud and bumpy on the highway, the steering is tight, and altogether it's the opposite of what you're describing. I've seen automatic GTs shifting, they are slow as hell. Before modern automatic transmissions, I can't think of a manual transmission that took as long to shift as its automatic counterpart. I'm sure there probably was one, but the T-5 is not it. There are a lot of things to dislike about it, but as slow as the auto? Come on.
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frozenphil posted:FYI, pre-'11 is what some of you folks mean, not pre-'10. The 2010 got the new body style, but it has the same old v6 and v8 as the '05-'10. I distinguish them as pre-'10 and post-'11, inclusive.
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I am getting a lot of varying information here. http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3742633065.html Can you put the FWD DOHC Modular on a RWD transmission?
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vote_no posted:What the hell are you talking about? If you're making the transmission rev-match for you, no wonder you can't shift quickly. The SN-95 isn't amazingly fast by any means, but "big, lazy, highway cruising boat" is ridiculous. My stock '98 still pulls 0-60 times of between 6 and 7 seconds, has enough power to break the rear tires loose in most situations, and weighs 3227 lbs. It is loud and bumpy on the highway, the steering is tight, and altogether it's the opposite of what you're describing. I've seen automatic GTs shifting, they are slow as hell. I'm talking about putting the clutch in, the IAC holding the revs up for a second (which is apparently normal and it drives me a little crazy), and waiting for the engine speed to drop and match the next gear so it doesn't have to spin up the syncros as much. I don't really control how slowly the engine drops revs. If I rush it and shift as soon as the clutch goes in, the shifter gives me lots of resistance in the next gear up until the revs drop - I listen to the car and do what it likes. I can sure as hell blip up and downshift quickly enough, but with the way the emissions are set up on a stock 4.6 and the big gears in that T5, it doesn't happily bang up through the gears very fast. I have no idea how I'd go about making the transmission rev match for me... that's something you do with the engine isn't it? I didn't say it was slower than the AT. All I meant to point out is that a speedy gearbox, the T5 is not - mostly in response to the "grindiest transmission" and similar comments. In my experience, if you're grinding it you're rushing it and it's a pretty dang slow MT. I stand by its boatyness though. After driving 2300lb Mazda coupes around that'll snick-snick up and down without the clutch if you want, 3200lbs with a T5 on a 4.6 is big-bertha molasses status. Heck I've driven trucks with faster gearboxes.
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clutchpuck posted:I stand by its boatyness though. After driving 2300lb Mazda coupes around that'll snick-snick up and down without the clutch if you want, 3200lbs with a T5 on a 4.6 is big-bertha molasses status. Heck I've driven trucks with faster gearboxes. I think this is part of the problem. I have a hard time objectively telling how fast or slow my Mustang's gearbox is because I drove a Miata with a lightened flywheel for years before it. I should try tuning to see if I can get the revs to drop faster. It seems like the revs hang forever when I take my foot off the gas. I'm able to shift noticeably faster with the A/C on because the compressor drag makes the engine drop revs faster when it drops.
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Weinertron posted:I should try tuning to see if I can get the revs to drop faster. It seems like the revs hang forever when I take my foot off the gas. I'm able to shift noticeably faster with the A/C on because the compressor drag makes the engine drop revs faster when it drops. The hanging revs is in large part why I upshift it only as fast as it wants to upshift. People make the revs drop faster by making (or buying) IAC restrictors or block-offs. Doing that can also make the engine pop on overrun more than it otherwise would. I've also heard that it can make your OBD throw codes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDwJEEBbS0
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ultimateforce posted:I am getting a lot of varying information here. I'm not entirely sure what would be involved in that swap to be honest. But I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, it should just be a matter of how much work is involved. That said, I'd suggest looking for a Mark VIII like this one http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3739253586.html instead.
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Did the 4.6 ever even come with a T5? From what I understand when the switch was made to 4.6 from the 5.0 the t5 was dropped for a different transmission (T45?) and Then again changed in like 2002 and then again in 2005 and then again with the switch to the 5.0. Anyone know whats up? edit: wiki had this Tremec or Borg-Warner transmissions Borg-Warner T-5 transmission Ford Sierra; 19831995 Ford Mustang; 20052009 Mustang V6 Tremec T-45 transmission 19961999 Mustang Cobra, 19962000 Mustang GT Tremec T-56 transmission 2000 Cobra R and 20032004 Mustang Cobra Tremec TR-3650 transmission 20012007 Mustang GT Tremec TR-6060 transmission 2007present Ford Shelby GT500 goodfuldead fucked around with this message at 22:38 on May 13, 2013 |
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Q_res posted:I'm not entirely sure what would be involved in that swap to be honest. But I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, it should just be a matter of how much work is involved. That said, I'd suggest looking for a Mark VIII like this one http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3739253586.html instead. Yeah I've already looked in to those Mark VIIIs I just want to start thinking about odd-ball options that might roll in to the shop. I thought about DDing a cheap Mark VIII for a while and pulling the engine later.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7gTNzZFRI Holy crap I want a Mark VIII.
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clutchpuck posted:I stand by its boatyness though. After driving 2300lb Mazda coupes around that'll snick-snick up and down without the clutch if you want, 3200lbs with a T5 on a 4.6 is big-bertha molasses status. Heck I've driven trucks with faster gearboxes. Sounds like you've never driven a Crown Vic before. Everything is a boat compared to a Miata.
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ultimateforce posted:I am getting a lot of varying information here. No, the block is different with a different bell housing pattern. I would assume the timing cover is different as well but don't know this for sure. ultimateforce posted:-video- Centrifugal blower kits from a C head Cobra bolt up to the 97-98 Mark VIII motor cause the TB is in the same location. That was my high school car. If you buy a Mark VIII I got a ton of parts from the one I took apart for cheap. Lord Gaga fucked around with this message at 05:22 on May 14, 2013 |
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Called the dealer and they said that they know that the synchro for 3rd gear is toast on the car, but that they can't take it apart and fix it because Ford's warranty department hasn't given them the green light yet. They've had the car since Monday. So... I think this might be my last Ford, unless it's something vintage. I don't understand what the holdup would be on a car with 7,000 miles on it with a failed transmission. I shouldn't complain since no one likes that but honestly it's frustrating and I can't believe Ford's customer service has gotten as awful as it has.
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Would a transmission failure fall under lemon laws in your state? My father had a similar situation happen with the Honda dealership our family bought 12+ cars from. Transmission blew on our Element at 11k miles, and the service department refused warranty. My father walked over to the general manager and told him he would no longer do business with a dealership that had a bad service department. Within an hour they "found" some fine print in the warranty that let them replace the tranny at no cost to us. In retrospect it was a little heavy handed, but a transmission should not fail that early. Not in 2013. My dad also has a beautiful 64.5 Mustang that I need to post pictures of. It has been up to the Ford shows in Dearborn and it just beautiful.
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It is what it is right? They'll fix it under warranty eventually. It'll probably just take 2 weeks to a month. There's tons of people that have had this issue and I should really have researched the trans on these cars before I bought this one. Without FI the T-56's gears seem too tall even with 3.73's. I like my car and I'll ride it out with it but I'm disappointed at the low quality and high rate of failure. Should have gotten a Shelby, but I was afraid of the payment. E: yeah this would be covered by the lemon laws here. However I'm 90% certain they'll fix it because they have for others with the same issue, or so says the Internet.
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Sorry you got a bad one, but Mustangs are just about the most reliable car on the road and one of the cheapest to fix when they do break. Also, every Mustang I've ever encountered that had issues had manual transmission issues. Not ploying my gimmick here, just stating an observation.
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Indeed -- one of the reasons I've always loved Mustangs was because they were so customizable and parts were cheap. Not anymore. When I'd had the car for only a month or two, I was backing into my garage and accidentally bumped up against an old foosball table. One of the arms of the table poked a hole in the tail light. I called the service counter for a replacement - $940. For a tail light. I couldn't believe it. Parts for my 05 were available all day for super cheap. It was my introduction that the Mustang really isn't the working man's toy that it once was in a lot of ways. Considering what the model will be next year, it's the end of an era and that makes me pretty sad as I'm sure it does other folks who have loved the Mustang in this way forever.
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Keep the thread updated on your warranty work, I have the exact same issue with my 13 GT but haven't had time to take it in yet.
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roger wilco posted:Indeed -- one of the reasons I've always loved Mustangs was because they were so customizable and parts were cheap. Not anymore. When I'd had the car for only a month or two, I was backing into my garage and accidentally bumped up against an old foosball table. One of the arms of the table poked a hole in the tail light. I called the service counter for a replacement - $940. For a tail light. I couldn't believe it. Parts for my 05 were available all day for super cheap. It was my introduction that the Mustang really isn't the working man's toy that it once was in a lot of ways. Considering what the model will be next year, it's the end of an era and that makes me pretty sad as I'm sure it does other folks who have loved the Mustang in this way forever. Silver lining is that between massive production numbers and the most exhaustive aftermarket catalogs on the planet, the old, cheap and enthusiast-friendly ones will be around forever.
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roger wilco posted:It is what it is right? They'll fix it under warranty eventually. It'll probably just take 2 weeks to a month. There's tons of people that have had this issue and I should really have researched the trans on these cars before I bought this one. Without FI the T-56's gears seem too tall even with 3.73's. I like my car and I'll ride it out with it but I'm disappointed at the low quality and high rate of failure. Should have gotten a Shelby, but I was afraid of the payment. All I can say is keep all the paperwork from the repairs. Make sure all the dates for the in and out are correct. I am in the process right now of getting my car recalled under the lemon law. A main rod bearing spun on my 2012 California special and trashed the engine. It took them 21 days to get replaced. It was also in previously for front suspension and rear brake issues. The law in NC allows for 4 attempts for the same issue or more then 20 days out of service for one or any number of problems. I made the service manager sign copies of my repair work orders with the correct dates as the printed ones were totally out of whack with reality. Keep on them and keep track of everything.
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I really appreciate that advice and I'll do just that. I am thinking it will probably take 2-3 weeks for them to do the repair. The shop guy said it would be a week, but that was before the holdup with the warranty. It could get even longer because they're actually taking apart the transmission to fix it. Who knows what else they find. I think the remote shifter is a terrible idea and had I done my homework on this transmission I wouldn't have bought the car because of the remote shifter setup. I just figured heck the tremec in my 05 was rock solid so the 6 speed should be even better, right? Oops. E: I just checked and my state (MI) is 30 days in the shop or 4 or more visits for the same thing. I don't think we'll get to that. I just wonder how much this repair hurts the ol' carfax if I ever decide to upgrade to something better. Who knows maybe I will like the 2015 -- I have a friend who works at Flat Rock and he seems pretty excited. Then again he's been building Mustangs since they moved production there for the S197 and yet he drives a focus, so I dunno. Independent rear suspension appeals to me and he says they are going to get even more power out of the coyote platform. He mentioned 475 HP and while that's only 50 more than what the current 5.0 puts out I didn't know you could get the coyote platform that much higher naturally aspirated. I'm intrigued to see what they do there at least. I still think it's ugly vs. the current body style but up close it might look better. Looks like a meaner Focus in drawings I've seen. Maybe that's why my buddy likes it? E2: I'm truly sorry about your issues mattwhoo. And AWWNAW if it's grinding when you try to put it in gear over 3k RPM like me then you have a bad syncrho and the longer you wait the more damage you can do to the car. Also keep in mind that while Ford warranty service is centralized and they are the gatekeepers for repairs, the dealership mechanics do vary in quality and integrity. At least in my experience in the past (though not with these guys yet as this is my first car with them.) roger wilco fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 17, 2013 |
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roger wilco posted:Indeed -- one of the reasons I've always loved Mustangs was because they were so customizable and parts were cheap. Not anymore. When I'd had the car for only a month or two, I was backing into my garage and accidentally bumped up against an old foosball table. One of the arms of the table poked a hole in the tail light. I called the service counter for a replacement - $940. For a tail light. I couldn't believe it. Parts for my 05 were available all day for super cheap. It was my introduction that the Mustang really isn't the working man's toy that it once was in a lot of ways. Considering what the model will be next year, it's the end of an era and that makes me pretty sad as I'm sure it does other folks who have loved the Mustang in this way forever. This is the exact same thing people said when the Mustang got fuel injection.
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roger wilco posted:It was my introduction that the Mustang really isn't the working man's toy that it once was in a lot of ways. Considering what the model will be next year, it's the end of an era and that makes me pretty sad as I'm sure it does other folks who have loved the Mustang in this way forever. This is a pretty stupid statement. While you're right to be frustrated with your transmission issues, which are pretty shocking, you bought a brand new car and broke a cosmetic part that has been in production for less than a year. The likely can barely make those tail lights fast enough to keep up with the production of the cars. A 2012 Mustang tail light can be had for $140 n eBay and once the 2013 is 5 years old (because the tail lights for a 2012 are also fitted on earlier MYs) it'll be the same story with that. Name some cheaper 13 second factory cars than the Mustang.
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