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ViggyNash posted:We all got the point of it, but it was a bit over the top, especially coupled with the splintering. That actually happens in the manga.
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this allusion meant posted:There is really no part of kidnapping little Asian girls to sell into sex slavery because they are seen as exotic by rich white men that can in any sense be considered not being racist. You're referring to the shitbags that killed her parents to sell her into sex slavery as if they represent the general public. My point is that only the basest of people are even aware that humans were once distinguished from each other by race.
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May 14, 2013 04:58
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ViggyNash posted:We all got the point of it, but it was a bit over the top, especially coupled with the splintering. You don't watch a whole lot of anime do you?
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May 14, 2013 05:18
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ViggyNash posted:You're referring to the shitbags that killed her parents to sell her into sex slavery as if they represent the general public. My point is that only the basest of people are even aware that humans were once distinguished from each other by race.
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May 14, 2013 05:19
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You gotta remember that we're talking about the bottom of the totem pole, the worst of the worst. There will always be a black market/underground world. We can't deny that some humans are going to end up terrible people when the circumstances line up. However, I don't think I've heard any of the common people in the show refer to race in any way. Even Mikasa who looks noticeably different because of her Asian background is never called out about it. The kinds of people that would buy a sex slave on the basis of race are going to be self professed criminals. And it's isn't really that bad a derail since the lack of the concept of race in the show adds to the character of the setting.
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May 14, 2013 05:33
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Books about the world outside of the walls are banned. Knowledge of what race even is and what that means is probably lost. Literally everyone else so far has been white European. A half-asian would probably look peculiar at most to them and even if they did notice that she was different from the rest, they wouldn't know why, and wouldn't have reason to react in any racist way. Basically, the concept of race no longer exists to people in this world because differing races simply no longer exist. One of the kidnappers had no idea why Mikasa and her mother were different, and maybe the one who did smuggled illegal books on the side and knew a bit more about the world before titans.
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May 14, 2013 06:00
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All of the flashbacks are actually of Eren's dad injecting Miakasa with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man's DNA
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May 14, 2013 06:08
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Giggily posted:All of the flashbacks are actually of Eren's dad injecting Miakasa with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man's DNA SNAP INTO A TITAN NECK, OH YEAAAAH
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May 14, 2013 06:13
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There's a Skyrim mod out there that replaces Alduin with Macho Man Randy Savage, complete with "Macho man is comin'!" in place of distant dragon roars. What I'm saying is that someone talented needs to draw a colossal Macho Man breaking down the walls, then a heavily armored Hulk Hogan smashing through the doors.
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May 14, 2013 13:08
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It's the relative lack of racial diversity that makes me think that this isn't the future, just an alternate present that diverged somewhere. There are a few people that look North African, Near Eastern, or Romani, and then Mikasa is half-Asian (presumably Japanese), but that's really about it. 
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May 14, 2013 15:40
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Autumncomet posted:It's the relative lack of racial diversity that makes me think that this isn't the future, just an alternate present that diverged somewhere. There are a few people that look North African, Near Eastern, or Romani, and then Mikasa is half-Asian (presumably Japanese), but that's really about it. Europe isn't nearly as diverse as America. If this is actually near-future-Germany, or something thereabout, it makes sense to me that we'd see a few, but not many, people of non-Germanic origin.
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May 14, 2013 15:53
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this allusion meant posted:There is really no part of kidnapping little Asian girls to sell into sex slavery because they are seen as exotic by rich white men that can in any sense be considered not being racist. I'm obviously condoning neither slavery nor racism here, but rather than straight-up racism, the actual motive might be that she's "valuable" simply because she's the last of her kind, not necessarily because she's Oriental per se. I would imagine that if green eyes, blonde hair or... earlobes were a rarity among women, you'd see green-eyed, blonde, earlobed females in the slave market for the benefit of rich perverts. If these Orientals used to be kidnapped into slavery or otherwise mistreated even when they were more common, then there's no argument about it.
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May 14, 2013 16:06
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Attack on Titan is the first anime that really looked interesting to me since Kaiji. Still, I was reluctant to start watching it before the end of the season; I picked up Death Note about halfway though and the wait between episodes was excruciating. But Sunday night I foolishly gave in to my curiosity and starting watching the six available episodes. This show is amazing so far. The end of episode five was one of the most  things I’ve ever seen on a TV show, animated or otherwise. Now the waiting begins. gently caress.
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AnonSpore posted:then a heavily armored Hulk Hogan smashing through the doors. Kool-Aid Man. 
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May 14, 2013 17:34
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Giggily posted:All of the flashbacks are actually of Eren's dad injecting Miakasa with Hulk Hogan and Macho Man's DNA Well, she probably could take on some wrestlers. This is the magazine cover for an issue with a much later chapter, so I guess this needs a spoiler warning if the text says anything specifically about the chapter when translated. Just look at her. Speaking of warnings, what happened to the sirens smily?
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May 14, 2013 18:01
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Schubalts posted:Well, she probably could take on some wrestlers. Alternative image, spoiler-free:  Anyone want to bet that Isayama is a Teppu fan?
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May 14, 2013 18:10
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Nope, no spoilers in the image. It just says "Attack on Titan" and below it, "Attack! Titan Middle School".
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May 14, 2013 18:51
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hepcat posted:This show is amazing so far. The end of episode five was one of the most I don't have a clue how you're supposed to follow up on something like that. All I know is that we're going to be getting a face full of plot in ep7.
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May 14, 2013 18:53
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Nope, no spoilers in the image. It just says "Attack on Titan" and below it, "Attack! Titan Middle School". Can't wait for the slice of life spinoff manga to get its own anime. I want to see Mikasa leave for school swinging about with her 3d Gear with toast hanging out of her mouth.
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May 14, 2013 19:12
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ViggyNash posted:I don't have a clue how you're supposed to follow up on something like that. Unless he was actually killed and lives on in Mikasas broken mind Fight Club style. 
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May 14, 2013 19:18
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Well, he got (as far as we know) eaten in ep5, along with a bunch of his buddies, and the next episode was Mikasa character development and flashbacks. Eren not being dead isn't a huge plot point, but the explanation for it is probably going to throw out some important details about the titans. We saw it happen, so explaining the consequence of that without major plot introductions is going to be really hard.
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May 14, 2013 19:42
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Eiba posted:Folks who read the manga are... not used to understated violent imagery. To say the least. Never read the manga, and I completely and totally missed that the lower half of the guy's body was missing. I was actually quite surprised when I clicked on the manga picture. In fact I think my brain is feeding me lines about how the anime showed at least one shot of his full and definitely not ripped/torn/chomped/whatever in half body, and I just finished watching the episode. That's how unapparent it was. That is how my brain is retroactively filling in the gaps. Hell, I was even seriously entertaining the notion that he just might pull through long enough to briefly regain consciousness (Only to get eaten immediately afterward of course.) It was only after a long enough amount of time passed with no results that I accepted she was performing CPR on a corpse. Except as more of a desperate-don't-know-when-to-give-up/can't-tell-he's-really-dead thing that was completely different from the intended tone of her being so deranged by events as to repeatedly attempt CPR on a unmistakably dead person without any sign of ceasing and coming back to reality. In conclusion, censorship apparently ruined the scene for me and therefore is very very bad. WickedIcon posted:Kool-Aid Man. Someone make these pictures.
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Uh, I never read the manga, but I easily knew what happened well before the censored scene in question. You all are really bad at seeing the blood in the scenes prior, noticing the girl's actions, and noticing Armin's reaction.. It was all really clear.
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I was pretty sure I saw the absence of legs where they should have been, even though Armin covered up the bite wound.
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Autonomous Monster posted:Anyone want to bet that Isayama is a Teppu fan? He had an English-translated interview with MTV's nerd section last year (anime-only watchers--don't read it, it has spoilers) and the two mangas he recommended were in fact Meguru and Teppu. If you didn't know that, good call!
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AxeBreaker posted:I was pretty sure I saw the absence of legs where they should have been, even though Armin covered up the bite wound. I think that part was relatively obvious and explains Armin's quick dismissal of her efforts. Armin seems less apt to abandon hope regarding something like in light of what he had very recently witnessed at that point.
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Autonomous Monster posted:Alternative image, spoiler-free: Considering they both laugh in the face of shonen standards it's a good bet. Teppu for you guys wondering is about a mean girl learning MMA and it not making her a better person just better at beating people up.
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lonephoenix posted:I think that part was relatively obvious and explains Armin's quick dismissal of her efforts. Armin seems less apt to abandon hope regarding something like in light of what he had very recently witnessed at that point. Doesn't it still lose something by not being readily visually apparent? I didn't notice it until I saw the manga page, either. I probably could have been paying closer attention, but they could have made it more gruesome without being unreasonably so.
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I saw the manga page before I saw the episode, but even keeping that in mind while watching the scene I was hard-pressed to find evidence that the man's lower half was missing. If you knew what happened in the manga, you could spot a couple of details in the anime that give it away, but if you hadn't I imagine you wouldn't come to the conclusion that the man don't got no legs no more.
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I hadn't read it and I realized exactly what was up the first time they showed a reaction shot of Armin.
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I'd read it and it was so long ago I'd forgotten the state of his body. You don't need an autistic level of detail to work out the implications.
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Phobophilia posted:I'd read it and it was so long ago I'd forgotten the state of his body. You don't need an autistic level of detail to work out the implications. I figure all you need to do was think of the most soul crushing thing that could be happening and it usually clears up any confusion believing that is what happened.
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Phobophilia posted:I'd read it and it was so long ago I'd forgotten the state of his body. You don't need an autistic level of detail to work out the implications. So if you could figure it out, pat yourself on the back and feel proud or whatever, but it pretty clearly wasn't obvious.
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Armin's head being conveniently in the way of the "torso" and all the camera angles hiding the torso area was an obvious sign for me. But the actual confirmation is the final cut where we can see the entire picture. His legs are obviously gone and he looks way shorter than normal.Eiba posted:"He might have been missing his legs, but I wasn't sure. I definitely didn't know... so much of him was gone." Zettace fucked around with this message at 09:34 on May 15, 2013 |
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I hate the censorship but the scene was obvious because people without half their bodies are almost a cliché in war movies. I even felt like I had seen the exact scene before somewhere else.
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UP AND ADAM posted:
I'm going to have to disagree, I thought that scene was really well executed. The careful cropped shots hinting at what was wrong, the characters reactions, it all seemed way more effective than some gory shock shot of the character as just a torso. I'll admit that I think gore is often more effective when we don't actually see it and it's only hinted at, like that last shot where you can see the entire scene and you can very pointedly notice that the character stops somewhere behind the character administering cpr (I can't remember their names at the moment) and given their hinting I was looking for a hint like that. Denim Avenger fucked around with this message at 09:41 on May 15, 2013 |
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Did nobody see this shot? Pretty clear what happened.
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If you ask me, I think that the whole trying to resuscitate a torso was just going for cheap shocks. It might have carried some weight if we cared about the characters, but for me it worked better when it seemed to the viewer that there was still a chance for him. When I saw the manga page, I thought that it was the stupidest thing ever. I might have enjoyed it in Valvrave though.
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Popo posted:Did nobody see this shot?
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Zettace posted:Exactly. Even a quick glance is enough to notice that there's something very off with his torso and that he has no legs at all. Then if you look closer, there's a pool of blood where his torso should be. I think that the medium should also be taken into account. A manga panel is a quick glance, but the translation into motion means that the impact of the reveal can be changed by stretching that into a scene. Hiding it and then making it clear was a pretty effective adaptation, IMO.
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